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Purporting to give voice to doctors, McCaughey forwards misleading health care attacks

October 29, 2009 1:58 pm ET — 16 Comments

In a Wall Street Journal op-ed, Betsy McCaughey misrepresented remarks by Dr. Jeffrey Borer to suggest that he is opposed to treatment guidelines when, in fact, he stated that guidelines are "needed" and "very valuable" while noting that "they have important limitations." McCaughey further advanced the claim that White House health care adviser Ezekiel Emanuel supports rationing of health care and attributed the claim to a doctor who belongs to a conservative-leaning group that holds several controversial views and has promoted the right-wing conspiracy theory that Vince Foster didn't commit suicide.

Rehashing debunked falsehoods, McCaughey claimed "Government-Imposed Treatment Guidelines" are included in health reform plans

From McCaughey's October 29 Wall Street Journal op-ed:

Doctors from across the country were invited to the White House on Oct. 5, but the president did most of the talking. Medical professionals are being ignored or vilified more often than consulted in the current health-care reform debate. To broaden the discussion, the Committee to Reduce Infection Deaths invited 16 highly regarded physicians to convene at the Grand Hyatt in New York City on Oct. 19 to reflect on the current legislative proposals. Here's what they had to say on four key issues.

Government-Imposed Treatment Guidelines

Dr. Jeffrey Borer, cardiologist, named to Castle Connolly's "America's Top Doctors": "What's the impact of guidelines on the doctor-patient relationship? Guidelines step in between the doctor and the patient. If it's necessary to respond to guidelines rather than what you see, feel and hear when you're evaluating a person, then perhaps you're going to do something that isn't really the right thing. There really isn't an average patient. Every person that you see with a medical problem has some unusual or unique characteristic and this often has to be considered in dealing with the problem."

McCaughey repeated false claims about stimulus bill, Blumenthal article to suggest government will mandate "adher[ence] to the guidelines" for treatment. During the October 19 forum from which McCaughey drew the content of her Journal op-ed, McCaughey introduced the discussion of treatment guidelines by stating:

MCCAUGHEY: The topics you'll see on your agenda were suggested by you, be we don't have to stick to them. This can be as free-ranging a discussion as you want it to be. Tonight, the physicians are in charge. The first topic you'll see on the agenda is the impact of guidelines on the doctor patient relationship. When the Stimulus legislation was signed into law last February 17th it provided in part that protocols would be delivered to doctors electronically via computer on what the government deems appropriate and cost-effective care, and beginning in 2014 doctors who are not meaningful users of this new system will face penalties from Medicare and Medicaid.

In March, Dr. David Blumenthal was appointed National Coordinator of Health Information Technology and on April 9th in the New England Journal of Medicine he expanded a bit on what these protocols would mean. He explained in that article that "embedded clinical-decision support", his phrase for computer guiding doctors, would be employed to persuade physicians to practice in a way that the government deems appropriate and cost-effective and the doctors who feel a loss of autonomy, he predicted some might rebel and petition Congress to change the law or simply reconcile themselves to penalties rather than adhering to the guidelines. 

So, all of the current legislative proposals, address the issue of guidelines in some very broad language. I've asked Dr. Jeffrey Borer to open up the discussion on the issue of guidelines and their impact on the doctor-patient relationship and we'll take it from there.

McCaughey rehashed stimulus falsehood from which she previously backtracked. During a February 10 appearance on CNN's Lou Dobbs Tonight, McCaughey advanced the false claim that information technology provisions in the economic recovery act would permit the government to eliminate "[w]hatever the federal government deems unnecessary care." CNN senior medical correspondent Elizabeth Cohen reported during the February 11 edition of CNN Newsroom, "I had a PDF of the bill up on my computer. I said, 'Show me where in the bill it says that this bill is going to have the government telling your doctor what to do.' And she directed me to language -- it didn't actually say that. But she said that it was vague enough that it would allow for that to happen in the future." Cohen added, "Now when we asked the folks who wrote this bill, 'Hey, is this bill going to allow the government to tell doctors what to do?" they used words like, 'preposterous' and 'completely and wildly untrue.' " FactCheck.org similarly concluded that "the idea that this will lead to federally mandated treatment guidelines is her supposition. The fact remains that law does not impose any federal treatment guidelines or require that the government do so." McCaughey's claim is one of a series of instances in which she was caught making an outright false claim about health care reform and backtracked, but nonetheless continued to attack and distort progressives' policies without acknowledging her backtrack from her prior falsehood.

McCaughey has previously mischaracterized Blumenthal to claim he backed up her stimulus falsehood. In an October 5 op-ed, McCaughey wrote that Blumenthal "settled that debate" about health information technology and that Blumenthal "confirmed that 'embedded clinical-decision support' (his term for computers telling doctors what to do) would be used to reduce costs, and he predicted that some doctors might rebel against tight controls." In fact, contrary to McCaughey's claim that Blumenthal "predicted that some doctors might rebel against" the stimulus bill's provision because "computers" would be "telling" them "what to do," in his March 25 New England Journal of Medicine article, Blumenthal actually wrote that "many physicians and hospitals may rebel" if "the requirements" for receiving the stimulus bill's incentives for adopting electronic health records (EHRs) are "set too high."

Flashback: McCaughey fear-mongered about treatment guidelines to attack reform in the 90s. The New York Times reported on February 6, 1994, "Ms. McCaughey raises fears another notch when she cites 'mandatory' practice guidelines that would 'compel doctors to uniformly practice low-budget medicine.' What she doesn't say is that treatment guidelines would not be compulsory. They would merely be recommended procedures that, if followed, could serve as a backstop against malpractice suits. Health plans would still decide how to treat patients. Mandatory is her word, not Mr. Clinton's."

McCaughey suggested doctor generally opposes treatment guidelines, when in fact he said they are "needed"

McCaughey spliced Borer's quote, eliminating positive comments about treatment guidelines. McCaughey asserted that Borer said of treatment guidelines: "Guidelines step in between the doctor and the patient. If it's necessary to respond to guidelines rather than what you see, feel and hear when you're evaluating a person, then perhaps you're going to do something that isn't really the right thing. There really isn't an average patient. Every person that you see with a medical problem has some unusual or unique characteristic and this often has to be considered in dealing with the problem." However, this quote was taken from two different parts of Borer's response. McCaughey gave no indication in her op-ed that she had spliced the quote.

Borer also stated that treatment guidelines are "needed" and "very valuable" while noting "there are some limitations." During the forum, Borer stated that non-mandated treatment guidelines are "very valuable, especially if a doctor is faced with a patient who has a problem that isn't totally familiar to him or her because guidelines provide a very reasonable starting point and sometimes much more than starting point for evaluating and managing a patient, but there are some limitations and we have to be aware of what the limitations are." He further stated that "[g]uidelines are needed and these discussions and consensus documents are created because definitive data on which to unerringly base management strategy seldom exist. If they did, then guidelines committees wouldn't be necessary." Borer added that "I think that guidelines are very valuable, very useful, very important, but they have important limitations and ultimately in the worst case scenario they stand between the doctor and the patient."

From the transcript of McCaughey's October 19 forum (portions quoted by McCaughey in bold)

McCAUGHEY: I've asked Dr. Jeffrey Borer to open up the discussion on the issue of guidelines and their impact on the doctor-patient relationship and we'll take it from there. As each of you chooses to join the conversation for the first time, please identify yourself and it's up to you what you want to tell us about yourself. The opinions and insights expressed tonight are your own, not necessarily those of your institution. So, Dr. Borer -- and please use the microphones even though it's a small room because then we can easily make this usable on YouTube.

DR. JEFFREY BORER: Thank you, Betsy. You've asked me to make some comments about the impact of guidelines on the doctor-patient relationship. I think before I can do that in a meaningful way, I need to talk about what guidelines are because these can be misunderstood. Guidelines are consensus documents. They're created by a committee and they're meant to provide opinions about how to evaluate and manage the average patient. They're very valuable, especially if a doctor is faced with a patient who has a problem that isn't totally familiar to him or her because guidelines provide a very reasonable starting point and sometimes much more than starting point for evaluating and managing a patient, but there are some limitations and we have to be aware of what the limitations are.

First of all, there really isn't an average patient. Every person that you see with a medical problem has some unusual or unique characteristic and this often has to be considered in dealing with the problem. A second limitation is that these guidelines are constructed by committees of eight, ten, fifteen people who are experienced but who seldom fully agree on anything. So in the construction of guidelines there is a fair amount of horse trading that goes on until a result is reached that no one may be totally happy with but everybody can sort of live with. Guidelines are needed and these discussions and consensus documents are created because definitive data on which to unerringly base management strategy seldom exist. If they did, then guidelines committees wouldn't be necessary. I'll give you an example.

An area in which I'm very active is the evaluation and management of patients with heart valve diseases. In 1996 a set of guidelines was published from the American Heart Association/American College of Cardiology that suggested that patients with a leaking heart valve, specifically a leaking aortic valve, should be treated with vasodilating drugs -- drugs that lower blood pressure -- and that the predominant drug should be an angiotensin converting enzyme inhibitor, a special kind of drug that's used commonly in patients with heart failure and with high blood pressure. That was 1996 and the recommendation was made at the level 1A, which means: "Yes, we believe this is right and we have some evidence."

When the second set of guidelines came out in 2006, this recommendation had been denoted to 2B which means: "Well, you could do it but we're not really sure and in fact we really don't have any evidence." What had happened between 1996 and 2006, what had happened was that two studies came out. One suggested that vasodilators and specifically angiotensin converting enzyme inhibitors were bad for patients with leaking aortic valves and the other suggested the same thing. Neither of these studies was definitive. That's the problem, you see. The kinds of definitive evidence that we'd like to have seldom exist. Those kinds of studies are expensive, they're difficult to do, they take many years, but what we had was very little evidence in 1996, two studies that were much more to the point by 2006, totally changing the guidelines. That's not an uncommon scenario.  

The point is that guidelines are very useful. They represent a reasonable approach to the average patients and to many patients a good starting point, but they are not definitive. So in answer to the question that's been raised: "What's the impact of guidelines on the doctor-patient relationship" guidelines step in between the doctor and the patient. If it's necessary to respond to guidelines rather than what you see, feel and hear when you're evaluating a person, then perhaps you're going to do something that isn't really the right thing to do because the guidelines aren't perfect. If they were, if the data to support them existed, we wouldn't need them.

So I think that guidelines are very valuable, very useful, very important, but they have important limitations and ultimately in the worst case scenario they stand between the doctor and the patient.

McCaughey again advanced smear that Ezekiel Emanuel seeks to deny care to the elderly

From McCaughey's October 29 Wall Street Journal op-ed:

Dr. Borer: "One of the more common problems that people have as they get older is a disease called aortic stenosis. ... [W]e can relieve that aortic stenosis with an operation with really very acceptable safety, low mortality rates ... if that 85-year-old cannot walk down the street because he or she is too breathless to do so ... or feels light-headed or could faint and break a hip ... then there is really a very good justification for offering the therapy." 

Dr. Richard Amerling, nephrologist, Beth Israel Medical Center, New York: "The example that you give of valve surgery in an 85-year-old is just not going to happen under [White House health care adviser] Ezekiel Emanuel. He's going to just say that that's a nonstarter. That person has outlived their useful years, no matter how long they could live beyond that."

McCaughey previously distorted Emanuel's writings to smear him as "Rationer-in-chief." McCaughey, who The New York Times reported has "largely quot[ed]" Emanuel's "past writings out of context this summer," did so again -- and at length -- in an August 27 Wall Street Journal op-ed. Indeed, she distorted various passages of Emanuel's writings and interviews by cropping and misrepresenting his remarks -- some of which the Times had described in context only days earlier -- to smear him as "Obama's Health Rationer-in-Chief."

McCaughey hosts doctors belonging to controversial group Association of American Physicians and Surgeons

AAPS has promoted numerous controversial views. McCaughey attributed the quote about Emanuel to Dr. Richard Amerling. Amerling is a director at the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, a conservative-leaning group that has promoted and endorsed controversial views on medicine and health, including urging doctors not to serve as Medicare providers and supporting a "moratorium on vaccine mandates." AAPS also filed an amicus brief pressing for the public release of photos of former Clinton deputy counsel Vince Foster -- whom AAPS described as "the attorney assigned by Hillary Clinton to 'fix' the AAPS lawsuit against the Health Care Task Force" -- taken following his 1993 death, which numerous investigations have determined a suicide. The group also published an article falsely claiming that "in the past three years America has more than 7,000 cases of leprosy" and tying the increase to illegal immigration. Dr. David Fields, who is quoted by McCaughey in the Journal op-ed, is also affiliated with AAPS. According to an AAPS newsletter, Fields joined the association in 1993. He also spoke at the AAPS annual meeting in 2007.

Doctor who circulated witch-doctor photo of Obama is also affiliated with AAPS. David McKalip, the doctor who notoriously emailed a racist image depicting President Obama as a witch doctor to his fellow "tea party" activists is also affiliated with AAPS. AAPS' "Take Back Medicine" website features an "open letter to America's physicians" by McKalip asserting that health care reform will "turn doctors into servants of the state, insurance companies, hospitals, and everyone except who matters most: the patient." McKalip stated recently that he attended "a meeting of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons." McCaughey has previously quoted McKalip in a New York Post op-ed.

Doctors on McCaughey's panel previously appeared on Beck's doctor special. Three of the doctors on McCaughey's panel of "16 highly regarded physicians" -- Amerling, Tracy Pfeiffer, and Marc Siegel -- appeared on Glenn Beck's Fox News program on October 16, when he hosted a panel of doctors to discuss health care reform. Siegel is listed on FoxNews.com as "a Fox News medical contributor."

McCaughey is a serial health care misinformer

McCaughey exposed as Big Tobacco shill during 1994 health care debate. Rolling Stone recently revealed that in 1994, tobacco giant Philip Morris implemented a "strategy to derail Hillarycare," which included an "effort to 'work on the development of favorable pieces' with 'friendly contacts in the media' " -- specifically mentioning the company's collaboration with McCaughey on her 1994 New Republic hit piece on the Clintons' health care reform bill. This disclosure, combined with a previously exposed conflict of interest, should destroy any remaining credibility she has with the media as an expert in health care reform acting in the public interest.

McCaughey returns to CNBC with another false health care attack. On CNBC, McCaughey advanced the false claim that the "legislation that's now in Congress will force everyone under age 65 to buy the same one-size-fits-all government plan" and that "Page 16" of the House bill "says you must be enrolled in a qualified plan." In fact, McCaughey's claims are false; the provision she referred to does not require anyone to give up their private individual health insurance plan.

Media echo McCaughey's false end-of-life counseling claim. On July 16, McCaughey falsely claimed that the House health care reform bill would "absolutely require" end-of-life counseling for seniors "that will tell them how to end their life sooner." Since then, numerous media figures have echoed McCaughey's claim -- even after the falsehood was debunked and McCaughey herself backtracked.

McCaughey claimed Senate bill pushes everyone "into an HMO-style plan." McCaughey repeatedly falsely claimed that the Senate HELP committee's bill "basically" "pushes everyone into an HMO-style plan." On June 24, McCaughey further asserted on CNN that under the Affordable Health Choices Act most Americans will have to "go through what they call a 'medical home,' which is this decade's term for an HMO gatekeeper." However, under the proposed legislation, individuals already enrolled in a health care plan or receiving health insurance coverage are able to keep their coverage and are not "pushed" into "an HMO-style plan."

Media have repeatedly hosted McCaughey to discuss health reform. The Atlantic's James Fallows has pointed to McCaughey as an example of someone for whom there "seems to be almost no extremity of being proven wrong which disqualifies" her from being given a platform in the media. Indeed, despite her numerous falsehoods and past conflicts of interest, throughout the health care reform debate in 2009, McCaughey has been an ever-present part of the media discussion. She has been hosted on CNN at least twice and on Fox News repeatedly to weigh in on health care reform. Additionally, according to a search of the Nexis database, The Wall Street Journal and the New York Post have each published four pieces by McCaughey about health reform; Bloomberg News also published a commentary by McCaughey on health care reform provisions in the recovery act.

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    • Author by DellDolly (October 29, 2009 2:45 pm ET)
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      What's that definition of insanity again?

      Oh yeah, continuing to do (or say) the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
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    • Author by cmhmd (October 29, 2009 2:58 pm ET)
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      I posted this on the WSJ comments section for the piece:

      Another embarrassing outing for Ms M.

      If you really want to know what the leaders in the profession think, better to go to the leaders of the largest physician organizations in the country, that elect their leaders based on merit and professionalism. Eight of the ten largest physicians organizations support HR 3200. These are the AMA, American College of Physicians (ACP), the American Academy of Family Practice (AAFP), American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), American Osteopathic Association, the American College of Surgeons, the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology and the American Psychiatric Association.

      These organizations represent about 3 out of 4 doctors, though some will quibble with the math.

      3 out of 4 "regular" physicians support reform as well, including a public option according to a recent study published in the New England Journal of Medicine. A companion study also found that 78% of physicians take their responsibilty as physicians seriously and agree that WE have a responsibility to step up in this debate and advocate for not only our patients, but for those who can't afford to be our patients.

      This last figure is very encouraging as it indicates how regular physicians understand that we have to work for all Americans to improve health care. We are not ignorant enough to buy into the fear mongering of Ms M. and her hand picked group of physicians. I expect her group would all fall into the 22% of physicians who don't really care about the "undeserving sick" among us.

      Christopher M. Hughes, MD
      Pennsylvania Director, Doctors for America
      http://cmhmd.blogspot.com
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      • Author by DellDolly (October 29, 2009 3:10 pm ET)
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        Hey, thanks a lot for your input and your activism. It is appreciated!
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      • Author by worrierking (October 29, 2009 3:12 pm ET)
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        Thanks!
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      • Author by roundhouse (October 29, 2009 3:32 pm ET)
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        Thank you

        I find particularly annoying when Ms. M says, "Medical professionals are being ignored or vilified more often than consulted in the current health-care reform debate."

        That is such an unbelievable load of manure. We are in a health care emergency and reform supporters know that it's insurance bureaucrats who get in the way of doctor-patient care. We know that it's the insurance companies who are in business to deny us care and that doctors are in the profession of healing.

        Doctors care; insurance companies don't.

        Thanks again.
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      • Author by RedChocobo (October 29, 2009 4:30 pm ET)
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        It is good to see that a large majority of Doctor's really do want to help people. I would like to think that most become doctors and other health professionals not because of the money but to really help other people.
        I heard a great quote recently that really sums up the health care debate: "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith

        Best. Quote. Ever.
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        • Author by DellDolly (October 31, 2009 3:17 am ET)
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          Great quote. Thanks for sharing with us. I might have to borrow it every once in a while!
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      • Author by ScienceBuff (October 29, 2009 4:46 pm ET)
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        I would also like to thank you. Your contribution is informative and carries substantial weight.
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      • Author by n'est-ce pas (October 30, 2009 9:51 am ET)
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        Bravo.
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    • Author by slowtyper (October 29, 2009 3:30 pm ET)
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      how many times does this woman have to be debunked before her OP-eds are relegated to the trash heap..?
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      • Author by LarryE (October 29, 2009 4:55 pm ET)
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        She won't be.

        Don't you understand? The right doesn't care if it's BS. They just don't care. They only care if they think it's effective or not.

        Rule of right-wing arguing #11: When a claim of yours has been debunked, continue to use it nonetheless. When it has been debunked so thoroughly and completely that continuing to use it is counterproductive, stop claiming it for a time, perhaps a few months, after which assert it again as if the debunking had never happened.
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    • Author by butters8686 (October 29, 2009 3:39 pm ET)
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      I am sorry you all wish to dismiss what professionals in the health care industry have to say about the health care situation both as it stands now and what will happen if the government gains control.
      While I could go on about how this particular website should bot be playing the "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon" game with the already-debunked-before-printed-in-the-Rolling Stone Philip Morris accusation (George Soros and Media Matters $$, anyone?), it might be best to realize that Betsy McCaughey has simply exposed flaws and dangers to the health care system.
      So when Sarah Palin mentions "Death Panels," McCaughey becomes the "Death Panel Lady?" In truth, any government-run health care system is open to rationing, especially one with potentially limited funds.
      Journalists are not the same as they were a couple of decades (maybe years) ago. What happened to "question authority?" Do we not find it dangerous that the press drones constantly take a Chicago Politician at his word without fact-checking? Then, when someone (McCaughey) does their job FOR them, she is attacked.
      While we all understand a moral obligation to help everyone and provide care for all, why is it that our current leadership wants to push their agenda on "reform" through very quickly and vilifies those who question them rather than make attempts at solving the potential problems?
      Too many people refuse to listen to what Betsy McCaughey actually says and instead succumb to the childish rantings of Rachel Maddow or Kieth Olberman, who will never debate this issue with her or anyone who actually understands the bill. McCaughey's real message is that the system needs help, but not at the expense of the quality of medical care. Most of the world relies on OUR system to provide important medical technologies... without proper incentives and funding for high-quality medical research, where are the cure for childhood cancers, AIDS and other terminal illnesses coming from? Certainly not from other nations; there is not enough money to properly care for their own people.
      ...Lastly, if you do not think seniors will lost out on care in an inevitable rationing situation? Please take the time to read and understand Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel's "Life Years" theory. Also, if you do not think you might be pushed down the "list" for an organ in favor of someone who is POLITICALLY CONNECTED, then please point out where is the Dems' proposals where we, the regular people, will be protected from that situation.

      Thank you for your time. A healthier debate on this issue would be more productive than Washington's control of the discussion, reducing it to emotional rants, name calling and slogans.
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      • Author by roundhouse (October 30, 2009 10:52 am ET)
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        Don't tell us about a healthy debate, emotional rants and slogans, not when you come in hear slinging Republican catch phrases all over the board.

        And you ignore the elephant in the room, pal. Nobody is dissing doctors or medical research; we are going after the health insurance bureaucrats who score profits by rationing and denying you care. But I love how you mask the identity of your insurance company shills with the term 'health care industry professionals.' You can't even bring yourself to call them doctors. Pathetic.

        And get your crap straight, McCaughey coined the phrase, "death panels" while Palin, not having an original thought in her head, parroted it.

        As for nobody debating McCaughy guess again. Anthony Weiner (D-NY) has on multiple occasions debated and excoriated her lies and fear tactics.

        We will defeat your right wing lies. We will get a public option, and with some responsible oversight and calibration, it will be a success. You will still get to overpay for your private insurance and people will have an American healthcare plan we can depend on. We will have a plan that cannot deny us care based on cost or pre-existing conditions, a plan that will not raise premiums on a whim and cut services in the name of profit.

        What is wrong with you righties? Why on earth do you defend the right of inefficient and wasteful insurance companies to govern your life when you could have a public resource that has your health, not profits, as its focus?
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      • Author by DellDolly (October 31, 2009 3:40 am ET)
           
        Multiple rightwing talking points here that have been debunked ad nauseum, so I won't do that here, but there was one comment that leapt out at me.

        "Why is it that our current leadership wants to push their agenda on "reform" through very quickly...?"

        What?

        The first healthcare reform bill was submitted by John Dingle's father back in the 1940's. Do you know how old John Dingle Jr is now?
        And you do remember that in the first term of Bill Clinton, 16 years ago, 5 elections ago, Clinton tried to reform healthcare?
        And do you know that this effort started in Congress back at the beginning of this year? That's an incredibly long time for a bill to be worked on.
        And do you know that there was a significant amount of work accomplished before they took their August recess?
        And do you know that the Republicans offered more amendments in the Senate Finance Committee than are ever offered on bills, and most of them were simply time wasters?

        For you to suggest that this path has been too fast and too ill-considered is contrary to all the evidence available - that is, if one tries to educate oneself. So, what's clear here is that you are one of the posters we often see here who are not well-enough educated on this topic to even have a reasonable discussion about it, yet you have come here with the intention to educate us! That's sheer lunacy.

        A healthier debate on this topic would be more productive.

        That's what we're fighting for. We'd much rather not have to debunk these false talking points - we agree that not only is it a waste of time, but it is a disservice to the citizens of the USA. Too bad it's your side and you personally who are not cooperating with the effort! It's your side that has tried to restrict the debate to emotional rants (death panels, anyone?), name calling and slogans.
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    • Author by SLRTX (October 29, 2009 11:36 pm ET)
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      McCaughey is still around? I don't know who keeps popping up more, McCaughey or Michael Jackson after he died! Both are dead issues, but we just won't let them die!!!!
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