Media should opt out of forwarding Lieberman's dubious public option claims
Media outlets continue to uncritically report Sen. Joe Lieberman's (I-CT) statement that he will oppose cloture for the Senate health care reform bill because he believes the opt-out public option provision Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has said will be included in the bill would increase the national debt and burden the taxpayers. However, while Reid's bill has not yet been released, every proposed bill with a public option thus far has required that those who enroll in the plan cover its costs through premiums, rather than have the plans be paid for through federal revenues.
More media outlets run with Lieberman's baseless claims
From an October 28 New York Times article:
Senator Joseph I. Lieberman of Connecticut, an independent who caucuses with the Democrats, said he would vote to start debate and then join Republicans to fight the public option, which he said would become "another entitlement program that will end up increasing the national debt."
From an October 28 Wall Street Journal article:
Mr. Lieberman says he fears the public option won't be self-sustaining. "I think that a lot of people may think that the public option is free. It's not," Mr. Lieberman said. "It's going to cost the taxpayers and people that have health insurance now, and if it doesn't, it's going to add terribly to our national debt."
Bills already written with public option require its costs to be covered by premiums
House, Senate Health Committee bills require premiums to cover costs of public plan. Although the Senate has not released the text of its compromise bill, both the House tri-committee bill and the Senate HELP Committee's bill require their public options to charge premiums sufficient to cover administrative costs as well as the cost of enrollees' benefits.
From the America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009, as introduced in the U.S. House of Representatives:
SEC. 222. PREMIUMS AND FINANCING.
(a) ESTABLISHMENT OF PREMIUMS. --
(1) IN GENERAL. -- The Secretary shall establish geographically-adjusted premium rates for the public health insurance option in a manner --
(A) that complies with the premium rules established by the Commissioner under section 113 for Exchange-participating health benefit plans; and
(B) at a level sufficient to fully finance the costs of --
(i) health benefits provided by the public health insurance option; and
(ii) administrative costs related to operating the public health insurance option.
From the Affordable Health Choices Act as passed by the Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee:
''(5) PREMIUMS. --
''(A) PREMIUMS SUFFICIENT TO COVER COSTS. -- The Secretary shall set premium rates in an amount sufficient to cover expected costs (including claims and administrative costs) using methods in general use by qualified health plans.
Bills' tax revenues are used to cover expansion of coverage, with or without public option
Senate Finance bill with no public option requires tax on high-cost plans to cover expansion of Medicaid and subsidies for lower- and middle-income Americans purchasing insurance. The revenues from the excise tax and penalty payments, along with the savings from Medicare, would pay for the expansion of the Medicaid program and the subsidies to help certain lower- and middle-income Americans purchase private insurance through the exchanges. From the Congressional Budget Office's (CBO) analysis of the Senate Finance Committee bill, which does not include a public option:
According to CBO and JCT's assessment, enacting the Chairman's mark, as amended, would result in a net reduction in federal budget deficits of $81 billion over the 2010-2019 period (see Table 1). The estimate includes a projected net cost of $518 billion over 10 years for the proposed expansions in insurance coverage. That net cost itself reflects a gross total of $829 billion in credits and subsidies provided through the exchanges, increased net outlays for Medicaid and the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and tax credits for small employers; those costs are partly offset by $201 billion in revenues from the excise tax on high-premium insurance plans and $110 billion in net savings from other sources. The net cost of the coverage expansions would be more than offset by the combination of other spending changes that CBO estimates would save $404 billion over the 10 years and other provisions that JCT and CBO estimate would increase federal revenues by $196 billion over the same period. In subsequent years, the collective effect of those provisions would probably be continued reductions in federal budget deficits. Those estimates are all subject to substantial uncertainty.
[...]
On a preliminary basis, CBO and JCT estimate that the proposal's specifications affecting health insurance coverage would result in a net increase in federal deficits of $518 billion over fiscal years 2010 through 2019. That estimate primarily reflects $345 billion in additional federal outlays for Medicaid and CHIP and $461 billion in federal subsidies that would be provided to purchase coverage through the new insurance exchanges and related spending. The other main element of the coverage provisions that would increase federal deficits is the tax credit for small employers who offer health insurance, which is estimated to reduce revenues by $23 billion over 10 years. Those costs would be partly offset by receipts or savings, totaling $311 billion over the 10-year budget window, from four sources: net revenues from the excise tax on high premium insurance plans, totaling $201 billion; penalty payments by uninsured individuals, which would amount to $4 billion; penalty payments by employers whose workers received subsidies via the exchanges, which would total $23 billion; and other budgetary effects, mostly on tax revenues, associated with the expansion of federally subsidized insurance, which would reduce deficits by $83 billion.
House tri-committee bill requires tax on high-income Americans to cover expansion of Medicaid and subsidies for lower- and middle-income Americans purchasing insurance. CBO's July 17 cost estimate of the House bill indicates that expanding Medicaid and providing subsidies for some families to purchase insurance through the exchanges would cost roughly $1.2 trillion. This cost is offset, in part, by revenues from a surtax on high-income Americans as well as savings from Medicare and other federal health programs. Congress Daily reported that House leaders "released CBO estimates for liberals' preferred version of the public option that show $85 billion more in savings than for the version the Blue Dogs prefer."
CBO score of Senate HELP bill shows bulk of cost is for subsidies for lower- and middle-income Americans purchasing insurance. CBO's July 2 analysis of the Senate HELP Committee's bill, which does include a public option, shows that the subsidies to help certain low- and middle-income Americans purchase insurance through the exchange would cost around $723 billion. CBO also found that the public option "did not have a substantial effect on the cost" projections for the bill.
Numerous media outlets reported Lieberman's claims
In October 27 articles, the Associated Press, Politico, CNN.com, and NBC News' FirstRead blog all uncritically reported Lieberman's stated rationale for saying he would join a filibuster of the Senate health care bill if it included an opt-out public option. By contrast, in an October 27 post to CBS News' Political Hotsheet blog, Stephanie Cordon wrote: "Lieberman has said he opposes a public option because of the potential burden it could place on taxpayers. However, Democrats have crafted a public option that would be financed by premiums rather than federal funds."















That I actually voted for this piece of trash in 2000!
I really wish this clown would simply call himself a Republican and be done with it!
He is as much an Independent as Glenn Beck claims to be. A true Independent would be Jonathon Turley of GW University, not fools like LIEbermann
The Nicer you treat him the Uglier he Acts.
Does Joe think his Ego is more important than American Lives?
It's getting to a point that whenever i see Joe i get the Hives.
Speak truth to power.
Mr. News
I voted for him for VP in 2000 and I also voted for him as Senator in 1994. But in his first Senate race in 1988, I voted against him and for Lowell Weicker. I think that was the last time I voted for a Republican.
I should also like to commend McCain on choosing Sarah Palin over Joe Lieberman for VP. Sarah Palin is infinitely more qualified.
Gore didn't lose to Bush in 2000...
Unless you mean in the supreme court... ok, Gore lost to Bush, in court.
And what happened to the whole war cry of "UP OR DOWN VOTES!!" when the democrats wanted to filibuster very small numbers of bills/nominees? Seems as though, republicans lost their minds when they lost the Senate, attaching cloture to every single bill brought up.
And people wonder why the Senate can't get things done. And ironically enough, lots of times, it is republicans who "wonder" those things out loud, and I'm tired of nobody ever calling BS on them.
Time to start dems, grow a pair, make them really filibuster if they're going to do it. Make them EARN it.
In reality, this actually a power move. Lieberman wants to be important and feel important, he is very needy. Either that, or he is going to retire and go to work in the health insurance field in Connecticut at the end of his term.
Yeah, Joe, we're all just gonna suck up all this health insurance . .
Some of us are not as fortunate as you and some rich people who just write out a check after every physician visit or hospital stay . .
Entitlement to stay alive and see a doctor without going bankrupt, and call it 'entitlement' . .
I just hope the voters of Connecticut throw this bum out!!
Shouldn't the right-wingers (yes uncluding Liberman) that spout this crap actually go after the entitlement programs we already have? I mean if entitlement programs themselves are wrong then shouldn't they go after Social Security and Medicare? I wonder why the don't. Could it be because they are wildly popular and successful?
Good one, Connecticut, reelecting this hack! Next time, just defenestrate the nation. It'll be a quicker death.
Randy
It's time for Reid to start leading the party, not asking what what to do.
Wake up kid.
404 memory problem.
McCain, Graham, Collins, Snow, Specter, Chaffee. They all kept that toe bolted to the party line.
Please stop confirming the feebleness of your mind with every post.
Then again the democrats can always use the reconciliation rules to pass health care reform, just like the republicans used reconciliation to pass tax cuts under Bush.
He is not worth it. He gets what he wants, plays games with the leadership, and when they need him most, he is off with his new friends in the Republican party. It's time for the Democrats to take their chances without him, because he is not with them.
I think what media matters (for very little) meant to say was that the media should not pay any attention to Lieberman at all. I mean come on, why should harry reid actually have to have a bill written before he brings it up? Of course Lieberman and others have gotten cold feet from nothing more than 'rumors' that reid is actutally going to try to have a bill with a government controlled option. Besides, who wouldn't want this legislation? Only people concerned about the outdated concepts of individual freedom and government that doesn't oppress you!
psssst, quiet now lefties, we wouldn't want this getting out.
Whispering truth to/about progressives
:>
Your teabaggers were an utter failure because progressive activists and bloggers cut through your lies. Lieberman is no different. We will persist in shedding light on the big con and continue winning hearts and minds with a positive progressive agenda for a better future for America.
Get used to it, or come up with better ideas. Either way is fine with me.
Tsk,tsk. A little upset are we? ;(
It's ok, I certainly accept your take on what's been happening in this country. Of course, it's not an awakening against a lefty administration that folks elected, it's more of an......affirmation by dissent and abandonment!! Yes, that's what we'll call it. Keep your chin up, I'm sure you're so right about all this little fuss about socialism/progressivism.
In the meantime, the democrat party is just.......
whistling past the political graveyard.
See you on Tuesday and again in 2010. X's & O's as always. :>
Speaking truth to/about progressives
Indeed it's a slow process, but we are in it for the long haul.
I'm happy as can be watching righties being forced to wear out and dilute the meaning of terms you so loosely toss out. Terms like 'socialism' or 'marxism'. They don't mean anything anymore, they're washed up and only exposes the fact that you have no alternative ideas to compete with our progressive agenda. All you have are slurs from years long gone.
When Obama administration starts flogging journalists, I only pray Fox News will cover the actual flogging.
What a patriotic network Fox News is! Let's elect Fox News for President. They stand for 'liberty', 'freedom','patriotism' all the way.
</sarcasm>
Fox news really is an arm of the republican party, and their news exposes are frauds.
I think fakeliberal just called her beloved Fox News a comedy skit. Seems about right to me.
This debate is being considered in the wrong terms. There can be little argument among rational people that giving everyone insurance, and not allowing insurance companies to exclude people with pre-existing conditions Will cost more money. That should not be the question. The question should simply be is it the right thing to do? Is it worth the expense? If the answer there is yes, then lets stop all the games currently being played.
Directly below that lie, MMFA cites the actual established guidelines for similar bills:
Bills already written with public option require its costs to be covered by premiums
House, Senate Health Committee bills require premiums to cover costs of public plan. Although the Senate has not released the text of its compromise bill, both the House tri-committee bill and the Senate HELP Committee's bill require their public options to charge premiums sufficient to cover administrative costs as well as the cost of enrollees' benefits.
From the America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009, as introduced in the U.S. House of Representatives:
SEC. 222. PREMIUMS AND FINANCING.
(a) ESTABLISHMENT OF PREMIUMS. --
(1) IN GENERAL. -- The Secretary shall establish geographically-adjusted premium rates for the public health insurance option in a manner --
(A) that complies with the premium rules established by the Commissioner under section 113 for Exchange-participating health benefit plans; and
(B) at a level sufficient to fully finance the costs of --
(i) health benefits provided by the public health insurance option; and
(ii) administrative costs related to operating the public health insurance option.
Let me know if I need to explain this further.
He's spending trillions (aka $1,000,000,000,000.00) as if he does.
BTW I didn’t vote for Liberman (Gore). But he did bring some class and integrity to the Gore ticket. Remember when Gore wanted to disallow the overseas military votes in 2000? Liberman was disgusted with Gore’s position on this.
Almost every company I have ever worked for that based their bonuses on production has had employees lie about their numbers in order to get a bonus and some have been busted. Retiredinsf thinks this would make each and every one of these companies that was a victim of the employee fraud a criminal enterprise. He seems to lack any real world experience to go along with his Glenn Beck-fed talking points.
He is saying that it will cost one group, and that's not true. No one is trying to say that providing coverage will be cost free - it's that it won't cost the people he's saying it will cost. It's pretty simple, actually. But you don't get it. Omigod - something else you don't understand!
granted, he was a democrat back then, but he would have been a terrible VP and i dont think the democratic voters wanted him in the white house alongside the president... or some of them just went with it while others didnt. who knows?
one thing i always remember my dad telling me is the fact that lieberman is jewish and american voters didnt want someone like that being a heartbeat away from the presidency. i dont necessarily agree with that, but i cant disagree with it, either.
Why do you think America is so inferior we can't do as well as the best of the other industrialize countries?
Why do you think America is so inferior we can't match the cheapest of the other industrialized countries? Japan spends 8% of GDP, and has 50% more MRI machines percapita, and 3 times as many cat scan machines.
Why do you think America is so inferior?
Truth is government does good work with our schools and libraries, parks and highways, fire departments and police stations. We have clean water to drink because of government, we have uncontaminated food to eat because of government. The list goes on and on and I'll continue if need be. While you use vague allusions to incompetence, I can point to concrete examples of good government all day long.
Government is a practical necessity, not the enemy you make it out to be.
And the blind faith follower? That would be you - someone who apparently believed with blind faith the definitively false statement that there are no examples of the government taking over anything that made things better for Americans.
Well, then you need to get out more.
Police departments
Fire departments
National Parks
FDA
FDIC
Interstates
Do you need more examples?
Libbies try so HARD to hide their racism. Then they inadvertently step in it for the whole world to see.
Tell us again how racist Rush is teabagger.
Mmmmm, mmmmm, mmmmm.
He is, but that's another topic.
If liberals are so racist, why did they nominate Lieberman, and if you are not racist why did you vote against him?
Your dad was right about some Americans, but those Americans are on the right.
Tell us again how racist Rush is teabagger.
Mmmmm, mmmmm, mmmmm."
Wow. You are really willing to go as far as you must to defend Rush from being a race-baiter aren't you? I will never understand the blind devotion you have to a man who makes millions and laughs at his sycophants behind their back. But, retiredinsf, please tell us again how anytime an employee lies about their production in order to receive a bonus it makes the company they work for an illegal enterprise. That's my favorite pretezel Beck twisted you into.
It is very very wrong to allow a few to take away the right of a public option away from the many people who really need it.