Fox trumpets CAIR conspiracy theory charges made by author with anti-Islam history
Repeated Fox News segments reported that, in Bret Baier's words, "Republican lawmakers say the Council on American-Islamic Relations, CAIR, is trying to infiltrate Capitol Hill by placing interns in key positions," an allegation stemming from a right-wing book whose author has a history of making outrageous and anti-Islamic assertions and is published by WorldNetDaily, which has its own history of making outrageous allegations and inflammatory remarks. Moreover, the document that Republican Reps. Sue Myrick (NC), John Shadegg (AZ), Paul Broun (GA), and Trent Franks (AZ) cited as evidence of CAIR's alleged activities is stolen and does not support their claims.
Fox News reports ignored context of allegations that CAIR is "trying to infiltrate Capitol Hill"
From the October 15 edition of Fox News' America's Newsroom:
BILL HEMMER (co-host): Who is working on Capitol Hill? Four House Republicans, members of the Anti-Terror Caucus, asking for an investigation into whether or not interns are being planted in the offices of lawmakers who handle issues of national security.
Sue Myrick, Trent Franks, Paul Broun, and John Shadegg say they are troubled by an internal memo from a Council on American-Islamic Relations, also known as CAIR. They say the group tried to plant interns in certain offices with connections to homeland security and national intelligence.
It's worth pointing out the FBI cut ties with CAIR because of the group's links to support a terror network for Hamas, which the U.S. considers a terrorist organization, a branch of that.
From the October 14 edition of Fox News' Special Report with Bret Baier:
BRET BAIER (host): Intelligence officials say the head of Afghanistan's Al Qaeda operations contacted an Afghan native suspected of planning to attack New York's mass transit system. Mustafa Abu al-Yazid used an intermediary to communicate allegedly with Najibullah Zazi as he hatched his plot. Zazi has pleaded not guilty to conspiring to use weapons of mass destruction.
Republican lawmakers say the Council on American-Islamic Relations, CAIR, is trying to infiltrate Capitol Hill by placing interns in key positions. They want the House sergeant-at-arms to investigate whether CAIR installed interns on the homeland security, intelligence, and judiciary committees.
BROUN [video clip]: If an organization is connected to or supports terrorists is running influence operations or planting spies in key national security-related congressional offices, I think this needs to be made known.
BAIER: CAIR calls the allegation racist and an insidious attack on Muslims.
Allegations are based on stolen, "fairly straight forward public relations and lobbying strategy" document
Politico: Memo "basically lays out a fairly straight forward public relations and lobbying strategy." The Politico reported that the lawmakers calling for an investigation into CAIR based on the allegations made in P. David Gaubatz's book Muslim Mafia "also released a one page 'strategy' document they said they obtained from CAIR. But the document basically lays out a fairly straight forward public relations and lobbying strategy and indeed, one of the goals is 'placing Muslim interns in congressional offices' and registering people to vote.' " Shadegg, one of the four representatives calling for an investigation into CAIR, stated that the "memo [was] obtained through Paul Sperry's [and co-author Gaubatz's] newest book Muslim Mafia: Inside the Secret Underworld that's Conspiring to Islamize America."
Memo was apparently stolen by conservative activist who went "underground as an intern for CAIR." WorldNetDaily described the book's beginning "as a real-life, heart-pounding thriller, with Chris Gaubatz, the son of co-author David Gaubatz, preparing to go underground as an intern for CAIR at its Herndon, Va., office. ... Along with declassified government documents, the book unveils thousands of e-mails, faxes and internal memos that were never meant for public viewing."
Stolen memo is latest example of theft on the part of conservative activists. In a September 22 blog post, RedState.com managing editor Erick Erickson analyzed "a list of [ACORN CEO] Bertha Lewis's contacts" that "just showed up one day unsolicited" from "a credible source who is no fan of ACORN." Erickson claimed, "We did not ask for it. We did not expect to get it. But now that we have it, we should see who is in there." The private contact list was apparently obtained without Lewis' knowledge or permission, adding possible theft to a growing list of questionable tactics used in conservative attacks on ACORN.
Lawmakers cite Gaubatz's book in press conference charging that CAIR has tried to plant "spies"
Myrick: Gaubatz's "investigative team" unearthed "documentation" on which charges of infiltration are based. During the October 14 press conference in which four congressional Republicans charged that CAIR has tried to plant "spies" on Capitol Hill, Myrick stated, "About a year ago I learned that CAIR was trying to infiltrate the offices of members of Congress by placing interns in the offices, but I could not substantiate the rumor, as I had no documentation to that effect. Now, however, author Paul Sperry and his co-author's investigative team have unearthed the 2007 memo written by CAIR which documents their stated intentions and goals to place interns in congressional offices, supposedly for the purposes of influencing the policies of those members." Myrick wrote a foreword for Muslim Mafia. [Congressional Anti-Terrorism Caucus press conference, 10/14/09]
Shadegg: Gaubatz's book "provides stunning documentation." During the press conference, Shadegg held up a copy of Gaubatz's book, Muslim Mafia, and stated, "We are here saying that we need an informed politic -- body politic. We need informed Americans to understand the threats against this country, and knowing the kinds of things that are in these books is very important. The latest book provides stunning documentation of many of the things that are said in it with regard to the activities of CAIR." [Congressional Anti-Terrorism Caucus press conference, 10/14/09]
Shadegg appeared with Muslim Mafia at press conference. The following photo was posted in an October 14 TPM Muckraker article:
Muslim Mafia author Gaubatz's history of outrageous statements
Gaubatz: Obama is "our Muslim leader." In a June 5 blog post, Gaubatz wrote: "What our Muslim leader Obama may not have calculated: Our country will not allow Israel or America to be destroyed by Islamic terrorists and their Obama supporters. Americans will stand up this time and help our friends. We will not sit down as in 1942 and allow our friends to be massacred." [DG Counter-terrorism Publishing, 6/5/09]
Gaubatz: "Hussain [sic] has forgotten America does not belong to him or his Muslim family." Gaubatz wrote on his blog: "Only Islamic terrorists, their supporters, and very naive news media use the word 'Muslim World' (Ummah). Unless I am mistaken there is only one 'World' with humans, and Americans have yet to give our little slice of land to the Muslims, although Barack Hussain Obama is doing his damnest to do so. Hussain has forgotten America does not belong to him or his Muslim family. America belongs to Americans and Israel belongs to the Israelis." [DG Counter-terrorism Publishing, 6/4/09]
Gaubatz reportedly said last year: "[A] vote for Hussein Obama is a vote for Sharia Law." The Politico reported: "The author of the book [Muslim Mafia], Dave Gaubatz, an anti-Islam activist who wrote last year that 'a vote for Hussein Obama is a vote for Sharia Law.' " [Politico, 10/14/09]
Gaubatz asked: "How much information do we have on Carson and Congressman Keith Ellison?" In an October 14 blog post titled, "Help Raise funds to legally destroy terrorist supporting groups," Gaubatz posted a photo of Rep. André Carson (D-IN), which was captioned, "One of your leading elected officials (supporter of CAIR) with researcher Chris Gaubatz. How much information do we have on Carson and Congressman Keith Ellison?" Carson and Ellison (D-MN) are the only Muslim members of Congress. [DG Counter-terrorism Publishing, 10/14/09]
Gaubatz brought up Wright, Obama while claiming that D.C.-area mosques promote "Sharia law." In an interview with FrontpageMag.com, Gaubatz said: "The prior volatile statements made by Rev. Jeremiah Wright are trivial in relation to the violent ideology being taught at both of these large Islamic Centers. If an agent goes to either of the mosques he/she knows what is being taught, and therefore condones the ideology. Unless you are President Obama, one can't attend either of these Islamic Centers without understanding the ideology being taught." [FrontpageMag.com, 6/23/09]
Gaubatz previously "faked a conversion to Islam" to infiltrate a U.S. mosque. Julia Duin wrote on The Washington Times' Belief Blog that as "senior investigator" for The Society of Americans for National Existence (SANE) that Gaubatz "said he faked a conversion to Islam to win the confidence of mosque leaders at Dar al Hijrah" in Falls Church, Virginia. Duin further wrote, "He spent long hours there, he said, talking with Yusuf Estes, a former Christian music minister who converted to Islam, and with Imam Johari Abdul-Malik, the mosque's outreach director. Mr. Estes, he said, slipped him a disk containing documents praising violent jihad." [The Washington Times, 3/25/08]
WorldNetDaily is home to conspiracies, smears, and falsehoods
WND: Obama's speech to schoolchildren is "raising the specter of the Civilian National Security Force." WorldNetDaily news editor Bob Unruh wrote on September 1, "Parents across the country are rebelling against plans by President Barack Obama to speak directly to their children through the classrooms of the nation's public schools without their presence, participation and approval" and said the speech raises "the specter of the Civilian National Security Force." WND also forwarded comparisons of Obama's speech to Hitler's youth brigade.
WND has repeatedly pushed conspiracy theory that Obama recruiting for "internment camps" for U.S. citizens. In an August 11 WorldNetDaily column, Janet Porter noted a Defense Department job listing and wrote: "Internment/confinement/correction camps for American civilians? Maybe there's something to all those rumors of FEMA concentration camps. After all, those internment/resettlement specialists are going to have to report to work somewhere. If you're going to round up American citizens, you're going to need a place to put them. Internment and confinement are for criminals ... for terrorists. And terrorists, according to DHS, are ... us." Porter later added: "We've gotten more than a glimpse of the agenda of the people to which we've handed the keys of power. It is unmistakably evil." Also, in an August 7 article, Unruh wrote that "an ad campaign featured on a U.S. Army website seeking those who would be interested in being an 'Internment/Resettlement' specialist is raising alarms across the country, generating concerns that there is some truth in those theories about domestic detention camps, a roundup of dissidents and a crackdown on 'threatening' conservatives."
WND pushing Obama impeachment. An October 8 column by WorldNetDaily columnists Floyd and Mary Beth Brown discussed growing talk among conservative activists that President Obama should be impeached and argued that "Obama deserves recall much more than Gov. Gray Davis, and he was replaced by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger in a special recall election Oct. 7, 2003, in California." In the column, WND promoted its "IMPEACH Obama Magnetic Bumper Sticker" with the promotional text, "Let the world know your solution to tyranny and socialism in America with the magnetic bumper sticker: 'IMPEACH OBAMA!' " Floyd Brown currently heads the Western Center for Journalism, which WorldNetDaily CEO Joseph Farah founded in the early 1990s.
WND repeatedly advances birther conspiracy theories. As Media Matters for America senior web editor Terry Krepel has noted on his website, ConWebWatch, in an August 2008 article, WorldNetDaily concluded that a "WND investigation into Obama's certification of live birth utilizing forgery experts ... found the document to be authentic." (WND added an "editor's note" several months after the article's publication stating that "[t]he experts told WND merely that many of the forgery claims made against the image were inconclusive or falsified, leaving them no evidence that would cast doubt on the image's authenticity.") However, since then, WND has jumped fully onto the birther bandwagon, and indeed, is circulating an online petition stating that "there is sufficient controversy within the citizenry of the United States as to whether presidential election winner Barack Obama was actually born in Hawaii as he claims" and "demanding that the constitutional eligibility requirement be taken seriously and that any and all controlling legal authorities in this matter examine the complete birth certificate of Barack Obama, including the actual city and hospital of birth, and make that document available to the American people for inspection." Indeed, WND founder Joseph Farah wrote in August, "A few months ago, I stepped beyond my role as a journalist and media entrepreneur to become an activist, a crusader, some might even say a 'birther.' " [WorldNetDaily, 8/5/09]
WND touted fake Obama Kenyan birth certificate. In an August 2 article, WND reported that "California attorney Orly Taitz, who has filed a number of lawsuits demanding proof of Barack Obama's eligibility to serve as president, has released a copy of what purports to be a Kenyan certification of birth and has filed a new motion in U.S. District Court for its authentication." The article added: "WND was able to obtain other birth certificates from Kenya for purposes of comparison, and the form of the documents appear to be identical." Since then, the supposed birth certificate has been debunked, and Farah has walked away from it.
WND: Home to birther Corsi. Jerome Corsi, author of the falsehood-laden Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry and The Obama Nation, became a WorldNetDaily columnist in 2004 and is now a WND senior staff writer. In an August 2008 Fox & Friends appearance, Corsi claimed that the Obama campaign "has a false, fake birth certificate posted on their website. ... The original birth certificate of Obama has never been released, and the campaign refuses to release it." Co-host Steve Doocy asked, "Well, couldn't it just be a state of Hawaii-produced duplicate?" Corsi replied: "No, it's a -- there's been good analysis of it on the Internet, and it's been shown to have watermarks from Photoshop. It's a fake document that's on the website right now." Since then, Corsi has promoted birther theories on WorldNetDaily and elsewhere. Also, in 2008, Corsi traveled to Kenya, the birthplace of Obama's father, to investigate Obama and was detained by immigration officials. While in Kenya, he called into the conservative radio show The War Room with Quinn & Rose and stated that he and his staff were "being detained by the immigration of Kenya 'cause they lost our entry papers." Corsi repeatedly suggested Obama was responsible for his detention, stating at one point: "[J]ust don't write anything bad about Senator Obama, because, otherwise, this is what happens to you." Media Matters has documented Corsi's history of controversial comments regarding Islam, Catholicism, and other matters.
WND forced to retract claim that Gore supporter was "a suspected drug dealer," "possible arsonist" to settle libel suit. As Krepel noted at ConWebWatch, WND regularly attacked the 2000 presidential campaign of Al Gore, publishing a claim that Clark Jones, a Tennessee car dealer and fundraiser for Gore, was, among other things, a "suspected drug dealer" who could have "played a role in the arson of one of his auto dealerships." Jones filed a $165 million libel and defamation lawsuit against WND and other media outlets that repeated the claim. A February 13, 2008, WND article stated that WND settled the lawsuit, which had been scheduled to go to trial the following month, out of court -- in part by retracting the statements it made about Jones. According to the WND article, both sides agreed to say: "The original news release by WorldNetDaily.com of September 18, 2000, and the article by [Tony] Hays and [Charles C.] Thompson of September 20, 2000, contained statements attributed to named sources, which statements cast Clark Jones in a light which, if untrue, defamed him by asserting that the named persons said that he had interfered with a criminal investigation, had been a 'subject' of a criminal investigation, was listed on law enforcement computers as a 'dope dealer,' and implied that he had ties to others involved in alleged criminal activity." According to the statement, "no witness verifies the truth of what the witnesses are reported by authors to have stated." The statement also says "the sources named in the publications have stated under oath that statements attributed to them in the articles were either not made by them, were misquoted by the authors, were misconstrued, or the statements were taken out of context."
Sperry in 2001: Tell Afghanis U.S. has enlisted "moles to contaminate their water supplies with pig's blood." In a September 27, 2001, WorldNetDaily column, Sperry -- then a WND reporter -- wrote that "pigs are to Islamic terrorists -- such as Osama bin Laden and his henchmen -- what kryptonite is to Superman, or what garlic is to Dracula," and that to "use their religion against them to win," the U.S. should engage in a pig-centric propaganda effort in Afghanistan:
U.S. forces should start by dropping leaflets over Kabul, the capital of Afghanistan, warning residents, in their native Persian tongue, that we've enlisted Afghani moles to contaminate their water supplies with pig's blood.
The propaganda would also warn that American soldiers have greased their bullets with pork fat. We could tell them, while we're at it, that we've ordered special pigskin-lined fatigues for this mission.
At night, we could bombard bin Laden's camps with recordings of hog-snorting. If he and his fellow terrorists won't come out of their caves, send pen-loads of trotters in to nuzzle them.
Can't find bin Laden? Force-feed Taliban clerics pork rinds until they give up his location. If that doesn't work, air-lift pigs into their homes.
In the meantime, airlines could reupholster plane seats with pigskin, and cover cockpit yokes with the "unclean" hide to repel future Islamic hijackers. For insurance, serve passengers bacon bits instead of peanuts.
If their religion is driving them to hate Americans, and rewarding them to kill our people, then it's hardly indecent to use their faith against them to protect us.
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They're not afraid of death. However, they are afraid of pigs. Send in the porkers, lock them out of Paradise, and watch them surrender.
Fox previously hosted Gaubatz to say "[t]here was WMD in Iraq"
Gaubatz says on Fox News: "There was WMD in Iraq." On his blog, Gaubatz has posted video of a 2006 appearance on Fox News in which he says, "We verified independently from various sources that there was WMD in Iraq." He added that the Iraq Survey Group, which found in an October 2004 report that Iraq did not have weapons of mass destruction at the time of the U.S. invasion, has "given various reasons" for why it did not thoroughly inspect the sites he had found.
Gaubatz reportedly told of sites with biological and chemical weapons. According to a New York Sun article, "Gaubatz said he walked the streets of the largely Shiite city of Nasiriyah, interviewing local police, former senior civilian and military leaders in Saddam Hussein's regime, and local civilians." The article continued: "Between March and July 2003, Mr. Gaubatz was taken by these sources to four locations -- three in and around Nasiriyah and one near the port of Umm Qasr, where he was shown underground concrete bunkers with the tunnels leading to them deliberately flooded. In each case, he was told the facilities contained stocks of biological and chemical weapons, along with missiles whose range exceeded that mandated under U.N. sanctions." [New York Sun, 2/8/06]
Duelfer report: "Iraq unilaterally destroyed its undeclared chemical weapons stockpile in 1991." The Iraq Survey Group, in its October 2004 report -- also known as the Duelfer report -- stated: "While a small number of old, abandoned chemical munitions have been discovered, ISG judges that Iraq unilaterally destroyed its undeclared chemical weapons stockpile in 1991. There are no credible indications that Baghdad resumed production of chemical munitions thereafter, a policy ISG attributes to Baghdad's desire to see sanctions lifted, or rendered ineffectual, or its fear of force against it should WMD be discovered."
Duelfer report: "Iraq appears to have destroyed its undeclared stocks" of biological weapons. The Duelfer report also stated: "ISG judges that in 1991 and 1992, Iraq appears to have destroyed its undeclared stocks of BW [biological weapons] weapons and probably destroyed remaining holdings of bulk BW agent. However ISG lacks evidence to document complete destruction. Iraq retained some BW-related seed stocks until their discovery after Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF)."
You can't trust them I tell you.
They are dangerous and after our children for their satanic religion.
Again, Islam is the only major, Abrahamic religion that prescribes death for apostacy. This puts Barack Obama--born a Muslim by patrilineality, but now a professed Christian--into a bit of a pickle. No amount of bowing to antisemitic misogynist despots will help him here.
As a Christian, I'm much more comfortable with Satanists, neo-pagans, Wiccans, Buddhists, or what have you influencing government policy than Muslims. Say what you want about Satanists, but they've never orchestrated the mass murder of 3,000 civilians on a single day. Nor are they misogynists who murder their daughters and sisters for inappropriate dating.
Shari'a law makes Islam unique amongst the world's religions, in that apostacy is punishable by death. Here in Canada, there have been several tracgic incidents of Islamic 'honour-killings'. Regardless of how Mullahs and Islamic apologists want to spin it, the Salafi sect of Islam--which, thanks to Saudi petrofunds, runs CAIR and most Western mosques--is viciously anti-semitic, homophobic and misogynist.
You don't have to believe 'Islamophobes' like me. Read the Qur'an, go to a Muslim Students' Association meeting, read Salafi bulletin board postings and watch their Youtube videos. You'll be amazed. Here are a few statements from the nice folks at CAIR:
http://www.steveemerson.com/2008/04/leaders-statements-illustrate
"Deu 13:6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
Deu 13:7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;
Deu 13:8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:
Deu 13:9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
Deu 13:10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage."
And it aint just from the old testament either; the apostle paul commands that if we find a member of the church practicing idolatry, we must take them out and stone them.
It's a good thing that we in the west do not run our government according to the Bible any longer, or we may very well still be like those terrible Muslim barbarians whose religion tells them to stone apostates. Shame on them.
Thanks for all the bible quotes.
I never said Islamic extremism and Christian extremism are equal threats at the present historical moment. That is an assertion that you attributed to me.
What I will say is that both religions, if they are not kept in their proper place, have the potential to be dangerous, and can be weilded towards evil ends.
My quarrel is with people who think Islam is incompatible with modern civilization because many of its' teachings are incompitable with modernity. While it is certainly true that the Quran contians some f'ed up stuff, it doesn't prove that Islamic society can't become civilized, as modern civilazition already coexists with a religion in Christianity whose scripture contains many instructions (burn witches, stone idolaters etc.) that have no place in a modern society.
Because CAIR (and most American, Canadian and British mosques) are seed-funded by the Saudis, filled with Salafi madrassa-trained Imams and filled with Saudi Salafi hate literature (e.g., "Jews are pigs" stuff), this makes them a very dangerous fifth column. As for antireligious persecution, why don't you go to an MSA meeting and ask the attendees what they think about the Baha'i faith?
As far as I understand, this girl ran away from home, and didn't want to go back. Whatever her religious convictions, and whether she has a right to emancipate herself, I don't claim to know. But trust me, if she had left her Christian parents to go meet up with a Muslim cleric in another state, then claimed her parents would harm her if she went back home, this story would not have been covered in this way.
That is the beauty of Fox News. They have your jelly-like brain in the palm of their hand. All they need to is stoke your fears of Islam, and expose the persecution of God-fearing Christians at the merciless hands of the secular state, and you're up in arms at the horrors of Obama's America.
God help you.
http://www.persecution.org/suffering/newssummpopup.php?newscode=10903
More on honour killings:
http://www.canada.com/Honour+killings+girls+women+rise+Canada+expert/1823895/story.html
Up here, a particularilly tragic incident was Aqsa Parvez's killing. She was murdered because she wouldn't wear a hijab. Why are Western 'feminists' not saying anything about Islam and femicide? According to CAIR, this is all a lot of hooey:
http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com/2009/09/us-terrorist-group-cair-tells-florida.html
People have to get their heads out of the sand over this. Most religions (including Buddhism) have their misogynistic moments, but Islam is an entirely wormier barrel of rotten fish.
The GOPers had their scripts written for them over fifty years ago. They're in the archives of the right-wing newspapers and the Congressional Record during the red scare witch hunts of the 40's and 50's.
All they'll need to do is replace every "commun" with "Islam" and they can go on spewing their bile just like Tail Gunner Joe.
If Edward R. Murrow came back and saw what is going on at FOX NEWS, he'd never stop throwing up.
WTF are you talking about? Monster? What monster?
My post concerned the predilection (sometimes, the habit) of the righties to find some group of people to fear monger who are:
- non-Christian
- foreigners or foreign-born
- brown skinned
If you have comments about what I actually posted, let's hear 'em.
FYI, my moniker is intended only to show my gender, my approximate age and the fact that I am an American.
The southern Republican, poor white, had to have their 'whipping boy'. They seem to have to have someone 'below' them to scorn. I suspect it's because the rich white southerners abused white sharecroppers almost as much as they abused blacks, and it's like a caste system - you don't want to be on the bottom.
The spread of modern day Islam is a direct counterweight to the progress that western civilization has made in the last 2000 years, particularly in terms of individual freedoms . . .
Otherwise it's nothing but a gratuitous attack, masquerading as something else usually - but there nonetheless.
I don't recall seeing anyone being slammed for simply being Christian. For being Muslim, on the other hand....
I think many of those who don't make that distinction disapprove of religion generally or Christianity specifically because that's what they know.
And if someone disparages another's faith because of a bad opinion they have of it, that person's political persuasion isn't the reason. That distinction needs to be made as well.
Put up a thread where the rightwing is complaining about Christian bashing and I would probably say the same thing to them, in reverse. But it's just generalizations.
"The right never worries about those who attack Islam because in their narrow-minded view of it, they think all Christians sleep at the foot of the bed of Osama bin Laden. So to go off on them is to go off on the leftwing. It's all good from that perspective"
When the Christian Church has had control government, it has a horrible record as well. This is why no religion should never dominate government, regardless of the religion in question.
I find it incredible how Islam bashers completely ignore the fact Christianity was the dominating force in western civilization for over a milenium. I don't think its' track record during that period as far as human rights was very good, no?
As a strawman argument yours was very good. I mean you admonished me for setting up a strawman that I never set up, thus setting up your own strawman. You've certainly schooled me in that department, sir.
Western civilization has progressed a long way from being slaves to religious zealots and ridiculous dogma. In large part, our governments are secular, and increasingly accepting of religious and non-religious alike. Now the backwards religion that endeavors to oppress millions upon millions is Islam. Islamic law, and its idiotic adherents, seek to trample the rights of women, gays, christians, atheists, jews and all other non-believers. It's a perverse religion, and a spotlight should be cast on its inane and troglodyte dogma, and those dumb enough to take it seriously
This sounds like the supporters of Prop 8 in California.
And I'd appreciate it if you stop lying about what I believe, you simpleton hack.
For most of the middle ages Euopean universities used texts of arabian origin. Medical advances after the Greeks were of the same origin. Are you willing to do all your math using the Roman system of enumeration?
I do not equate all christians as dominunists. Do not equate all muuslims as fire breathing radicals.
You do your side of the argument no favors with your presentation
The become muslum of die meme has been popular with small populations of the religion. The governing powers tend to be opposed to it, due to the loss of taxable income. You paid a tax to be a nonmuslum.
Go ahead and get one educated suni and one educated Shia. Ask for eaches definition of the bas(ic) tenants of Islam. Be prepared for a long set of arguments. Try the same with well qualified people from Iran and Turkey. Good luck finding, a set in stone, consenses on Islam. While nowhere near as fractured as Christianity, the Islamic population of the world, is in no way shape or form monolithic in belief or behavior.
No thanks on the coffee, coffee came from islam you know. I prefer a cup of hot coco.
In a Straussian context you carry a lot of the principles here. Heavy on numbers six, Stability/unity via fear of an external threat, and 13, manipulate the images.
Yes, we'd all be Muslim if it wasn't for Charles Martel and his army at the Battle of Tours. But your belief that an Islamic Europe would have been more advanced than a Christian one is very easily disproved. Name one advanced technology to rise out of a Muslim country in the past five centuries. If you can name just one, I'll accept your argument. The truth is that Islam prevented any further advancement of Arab science and engineering past the 10th century. So if you can find one single Arab Muslim advancement after 1500, I'd love to hear about it. Name one modern scientific advancement that came from a Muslim country in the last five centuries.
By the time the battle was rejioned the western powers had achieved military parity in large part represented by the pattern welded sword. Possibly the first western military secret weapon. To support the iron shelled horse mounted knights feudalism was created. Hereditary Devine Kingship sponsored and supported by the church was created. Fear of unothodox religious thought, and the beginnings of centuries of oppression of the peasants of all of europe. The creation of larger states in Europe started at this point also.
The actions between the Nineth Century, when these conflicts occurred arround, and the 16th century have no part in this argument somehow? Neat trick. Somewhere arround 700 years of history that can be throw out as evidense because?
I need to catch up on my reading of this era. Do you doubt that I might find some worthy work? The use of mobile artillary by the Turk Janissary's perhaps. It might be under your important time frame bar perhaps.
What I do know is the effect of coffee, and coffee houses on the european population and it's public and intellectual discourse. Coffee came from the Turks in the late 17th century. Inspiration by association.
Are you talking about the racist American muslims who follow that nitwit farrakhan?
Are you serious? To use the vernacular of the youngest generation, I'm ROTFLMAO.
So. let me get this straight. Someone, whose political beliefs you disagree with, has uncovered a memo, from somone whom you support, which calls for the infiltration of the UNITED STATES FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, at it's highest levels, and you want to ignore, discount, and ridicule the facts because they do not jibe with your agenda?!? Is that correct? Does that sum it up in a nutshell?
Can you spell traitor? How about treason?
The Straussian/neocons have already proceeded with thier infiltration of our government and media. Their negative effect on our nation extensive. But no lets worry about about a memo by a small relativly powerless group of violent people.
This tactic does not differ markedly from the tactic used by other lobbying organizations to promote their own respective agendas, many of which are good for the narrow interests of special interest groups but not good for the national interest as a whole. The insurance companies actively attempting to derail health care reform by lobbying Congress, at the detriment of millions of Americans who lack insurance coverage, are arguably the best case in point.
So the evidence provided by the authors of this book proves that CAIR is just another lobbying group whose actions people may or may not concur with, whose agenda may or may not reflect that of broader society. But the evidence CAIR has actually violated any laws or done anything illegal is noticeably wanting.