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Network news largely silent on Fox News' role in hyping, distorting ACORN story

September 17, 2009 5:36 pm ET — 72 Comments

In their coverage of recently released videotapes showing ACORN employees allegedly giving advice to conservative activists posing as a pimp and a prostitute on how they could skirt laws, all three network evening news broadcasts -- ABC's World News, NBC's Nightly News, and the CBS Evening News -- left out substantive facts about the incidents that mitigate the accusations, exonerate ACORN employees, or undermine the credibility of the filmmakers. Moreover, none reported that Fox News, in its aggressive promotion of this story, repeatedly falsely reported that a San Bernardino ACORN worker murdered her former husband; only ABC News even mentioned that Fox News has been the major force promoting the story.

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Networks ignore mitigating facts in their ACORN reporting

Some of the videotapes may have been taken illegally. World News and Nightly News did not report that in secretly videotaping their conversations with ACORN employees, conservative filmmaker James O'Keefe and TownHall.com columnist Hannah Giles may have violated state criminal statutes in Maryland and California.

ACORN provided only counseling and performed no illegal services; no fraud or harm came to the government as a result of the sessions. None of the networks indicated that there is no evidence the ACORN employees provided anything beyond the counseling sessions to the activists, nor did they report that the government was not defrauded in anyway as a result of the employees' actions.

Filmmakers reportedly turned away from ACORN's Philadelphia office, contradicting their claims. The CBS Evening News and World News did not report that ACORN has stated that the activists were turned away from other offices, or that ACORN filed a complaint with police about the filmmakers' conduct in Philadelphia. On the September 11 edition of CNN's Lou Dobbs Tonight, CNN correspondent Bill Tucker reported that ACORN "claims that the two activist filmmakers responsible for posting the videos tried the same thing" at several of their other offices "and failed." Tucker further reported: "ACORN gave CNN a copy of the police complaint filed against the filmmakers In Philadelphia. The filmmakers, James O'Keefe and Hannah Giles are not commenting and Giles was a no-show for an agreed-to interview with CNN."

Indeed, in a newly released YouTube video, ACORN Housing Corp.'s Philadelphia office director Katherine Conway Russell stated that O'Keefe visited the office "last July" with "another woman." Russell stated that "[a]fter asking several general questions, [O'Keefe] began to veer off into suspicious territory." Russell said that O'Keefe eventually "asked about bringing girls from El Salvador and getting them papers, et cetera," but that "I told them that there was nothing we could do to help them, that I didn't know anything about what they were asking about." Russell also said that after she contacted another ACORN official and it became clear that O'Keefe "lied to get his appointment," they contacted the police. Russell's comments follow denials from O'Keefe and Giles that they had visited any ACORN office other than those for which they had posted video.

Interactions occurred at a small percentage of total number of ACORN offices nationwide. O'Keefe and Giles have posted video of interactions with ACORN employees at five offices. None of the networks reported that those offices represent a fraction of ACORN locations nationwide. According to its website, ACORN has more than 100 offices, with locations in 41 states and the District of Columbia.

Networks ignore that Fox News repeatedly falsely reported ACORN employee killed her former husband

Networks ignore Fox's irresponsible reporting on ACORN video. All three networks ignored the fact that Fox News repeatedly promoted the fake claim that an ACORN employee killed her former husband without fact-checking the allegation or indicating that it had contacted ACORN for a response. On September 15 and 16, Fox News devoted significant programming to O'Keefe and Giles' video of their interactions with San Bernardino ACORN organizer Tresa Kaelke, who claimed she murdered her husband and gave advice on how to run a brothel. After the video was released, Kaelke stated that she had merely been attempting to "shock them as much as they were shocking me."

ACORN calls video "an obvious set of lies and manipulations." During the evening on September 15, ACORN issued a statement calling the video of O'Keefe's and Giles' interactions with Kaelke an "obvious set of lies and manipulations." Kaelke stated of the conservative activists who filmed her: "They were not believable. ... Somewhat entertaining, but they weren't even good actors. I didn't know what to make of them. They were clearly playing with me. I decided to shock them as much as they were shocking me. Like Stephen Colbert does -- saying the most outrageous things with a straightface." The release added:

For example, in response to the set-up by the filmmakers in which they say they are trying get the young woman away from her abusive pimp, she responds that she was abused by her former husband as well (true) and that she shot and killed him (false). He is very much alive and living near Barstow, CA.

However, this is taken as the gospel truth, not just in the film itself, but also by several "news" personalities, indicating that no journalistic standards were applied to making the video or vetting it for broadcast.

San Bernardino PD: Investigators found former husbands "alive and well." In a September 15 news release, the San Bernardino Police Department stated that Kaelke's claim that she shot and killed her ex-husband does "do[es] not appear to be factual."

Only ABC acknowledges that Fox News played a role in promoting the videotapes

Tapper reports ACORN videos are "shown frequently on Fox News Channel." In a September 16 World News report, ABC News senior White House correspondent Jake Tapper said, "Republicans have long opposed ACORN's politics and methods. Last year, they attacked the president and his campaign for ties to the group. Those allegations didn't stick, but these videos, shown frequently on Fox News Channel, seem to constitute a tipping point."

Following Beck's instructions, Fox News attempts to change story from health care to ACORN. On September 9, Glenn Beck said that while the media "says they're going to be talking about health care" the next day, he didn't "think so," and aired brief clips of the first video released by O'Keefe and Giles, suggesting that would instead be the top story. Apparently taking their cues from Beck, through 7 p.m. the following day, Fox News devoted at least 17 segments on six programs to airing and discussing portions of the video.

Transcripts

From the September 15 edition of the CBS Evening News with Katie Couric:

KATIE COURIC (host): The grassroots community organization called ACORN helps low-income Americans find affordable housing and gets tens of millions of dollars in government funding. But as Cynthia Bowers reports, that may be coming to an end after a scandal caught on tape.

[begin video clip]

BOWERS: The videos, reportedly recorded in late July and early August, appear to show ACORN employees in several big cities -- including Baltimore, Washington, and New York -- advising a couple posing as a pimp and prostitute.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And don't say that you're prostituting or whatever.

BOWERS: The employees are heard telling the couple how to avoid paying taxes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Don't worry. You're fine.

BOWERS: And how to qualify for a mortgage on a home the couple plans to use as a brothel.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Stop saying prostitution.

O'KEEFE (posing as a pimp): Got it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK?

BOWERS: ACORN says the workers caught on tape were fired but contends the videos were illegally obtained, doctored, and deceptive, and is threatening legal action against the undercover filmmakers posing as the couple.

BERTHA LEWIS (ACORN CEO): We are experiencing the modern-day version of McCarthyism. [...] Have you now or have you ever been associated with ACORN?

BOWERS: No matter who's to blame, long-term damage to the reputation of the poverty rights organization may already be done.

SEN. MIKE JOHANNS (R-NE): I don't believe it was accidental that this video caught ACORN employees delivering the same message in different cities.

BOWERS: Last night, the Democratic-controlled Senate voted 83-7 to deny ACORN access to millions of dollars in federal housing funds.

JOHANNS: They magnify a troubling, systemic, and a criminal pattern.

BOWERS: Just last week, the Census Bureau severed its ties with the organization, meaning ACORN workers won't be part of the 2010 census count.

For its part, ACORN says it registered 1.3 million new voters just last year and has helped hundreds of thousands of families buy and keep their homes. But critics point out ACORN also faces voter fraud charges in nearly two dozen states.

STEVE STANEK (Heartland Institute research fellow): It has no business trying to organize voter registration, because it has shown time and time again that it cannot be trusted to do that.

BOWERS: According to a website that tracks government grants, ACORN has received 53 million tax dollars since 1994, and many now want to know exactly where those millions wound up. Cynthia Bowers, CBS News, Chicago.

[end video clip]

From the September 16 edition of the CBS Evening News with Katie Couric:

COURIC: Now a follow-up to our report last night about ACORN, the grassroots community organization. Today it ordered an independent investigation of its operations. This is in response to undercover videos that show ACORN employees giving advice to a couple posing as a pimp and prostitute on how to cheat on taxes and a mortgage application. The employees have been fired. ACORN's CEO called their actions indefensible.

From the September 16 edition of NBC's Nightly News with Brian Williams:

BRIAN WILLIAMS (host): Now we turn to the controversy surrounding ACORN, the community organizers conservatives criticized during the campaign. Now a young conservative activist has landed ACORN in a lot of trouble, with Congress now scrambling to cut government ties with the group. Our senior investigative correspondent Lisa Myers has our report.

[begin video clip]

MYERS: ACORN has long been a target of conservatives and most recently came up as an issue in last year's election.

SEN. JOHN McCAIN (R-AZ): We need to know the full extent of Senator Obama's relationship with ACORN.

MYERS: The liberal community organizing group registered more than a million low-income voters. Republicans questioned its methods and accused ACORN of trying to steal the election for Barack Obama. Over more than two decades, ACORN has received tens of millions of federal dollars to help poor families with housing. It also provides other community services. Now, hidden camera video show ACORN workers in several cities advising how to evade the IRS, even how to conceal underage prostitution.

O'KEEFE (posing as a pimp): What if they're making money because they're performing tricks, too?

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: If they're making money and they're underage, you shouldn't let nobody know, anyway.

MYERS: The videos were shot by a 25-year-old conservative activist and a friend, who posed as a pimp and prostitute. Republican leaders reacted quickly.

REP. ERIC CANTOR (R-VA): We need to make sure that we sever all ties that ACORN has with the federal government, to cut off all funding that they receive from the taxpayers.

MYERS: The Census Bureau has severed its ties, saying it no longer wants ACORN's help counting low-income families. And this week the Senate voted overwhelmingly to cut off all federal housing money for ACORN. ACORN says it has been targeted unfairly and claims the filmmaker was thrown out of offices in other cities. But today ACORN's CEO announced an internal investigation and review of practices.

LEWIS: We would terminate anyone who did not abide by our professional standards.

MYERS: Still, these images will not fade quickly, even among ACORN's friends. Lisa Myers, NBC News, Washington.

[end video clip]

From the September 16 edition of ABC's World News with Charles Gibson:

GIBSON: Next, we're going to turn to a political firestorm that is in Washington. For years, Republicans in that city have been taking aim at an umbrella group of community organizers called ACORN. Opposition to the group intensified when ACORN helped President Obama in his election campaign. And now a videotape has surfaced, which has prompted calls for investigations of ACORN's activities. Here's Jake Tapper.

[begin video clip]

TAPPER: It's the nation's largest grassroots organization lobbying for, and reaching out to, poor and minority communities. ACORN has received about $20 million in federal funds in the last decade and has helped those communities with voter registration, housing, and employment issues. But despite close relationships with Democrats, the Senate and today, the White House, are reviewing all their ties to the group.

ROBERT GIBBS (White House press secretary): The conduct that you see on those tapes is completely unacceptable.

TAPPER: "Those tapes" were made by two young conservatives dressed as a prostitute and a pimp receiving advice from ACORN employees in different cities on how to skirt the law and hide a fictitious prostitution ring.

[begin video clip]

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: Find another name --

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Find another name for?

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: And don't say that you're prostituting or whatever.

[end video clip]

TAPPER: This is not the first time ACORN has drawn bad headlines. Last week, 11 ACORN employees in Miami were arrested and charged with voter registration fraud.

Republicans have long opposed ACORN's politics and methods. Last year, they attacked the president and his campaign for ties to the group. Those allegations didn't stick, but these videos, shown frequently on Fox News Channel, seem to constitute a tipping point. The Census Bureau has canceled its relationship with ACORN. The Senate voted to kill ACORN housing grants. And Republicans are calling for investigations.

SEN. RICHARD SHELBY (R-AL): These are not isolated incidents. ACORN's been charged with voter fraud.

TAPPER: ACORN CEO Bertha Lewis announced that ACORN has fired some of the employees on the tapes and today she ordered an independent audit of the organization.

LEWIS: This was indefensible.

TAPPER: But Lewis argues the attacks by Republican lawmakers and conservative pundits against ACORN employees have an undertone of racism.

LEWIS: I think they're, you know, basically saying, "these people shouldn't be trusted. How could they be trusted? You know, they're all poor black and brown people."

TAPPER: Whatever the reason, ACORN now finds itself with few defenders on Capitol Hill or in the West Wing. Jake Tapper, ABC News, the White House.

[end video clip]

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    • Author by right ON (September 17, 2009 5:43 pm ET)
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      I don't know what world MMfA lives in, oh yeah the one where they are used to liberal bias media outlets not having to worry about another point of view - well now they have to live with one, Fox, and it makes them bonkers. Anyway, where in any world does it say that network nightly news broadcasts are somehow compelled to report on a cable network's hyping or distorting of anything? It's ridiculous. And if I watched NBC, ABC or CBS I don't care to get sullied into the cable news wars and how low they operate these days, and I wouldn't expect their nightly newscasts to wallow down in the mud with them. They are not a media watchdog so for crying out loud MMfA, let them do their job, and you do yours. And stop complaining about what you aren't seeing.
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      • Author by The_Cat (September 17, 2009 5:58 pm ET)
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        Here's some reading, if you're curious, right ON. It deals with the ethical standards that the society of journalists have set for themselves. I have only had a chance to skim it so far, but it will be interesting to see how the standard compares with the practices of any media outlet.
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        • Author by right ON (September 17, 2009 6:35 pm ET)
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          Skimmed it as well. Covering the story with appropriate disclosure of all relevant facts concerning the story is one thing, and expected. But to cover how another competitor, or not even actually a competitor at all, or another media outlet is covering it is not their job, nor their responsibility - despite MMfA's best efforts at encouraging everyone that breathes to call out the thorn in their side, Fox News.
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          • Author by Chunk23 (September 17, 2009 6:55 pm ET)
               
            What about Fox's constant coverage and criticism of Dan Rather? Fox certainly felt it was their responsibility to condemn him for his errors, why should we not expect others to do the same to them?
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          • Author by The_Cat (September 17, 2009 6:56 pm ET)
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            Some coverage of FOX might be warranted, considering it was FOX who broke the story, but your point is well taken. I was a bit curious about what journalists expected of themselves, as it's something I've never looked into. Glad the link was of some interest. Keep posting, right ON. It's always good to have another voice here.
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          • Author by DellDolly (September 17, 2009 7:51 pm ET)
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            You skimmed it?

            I did too, and about 4 or 5 of the first 10 rules listed at the top of the very first page are relevant to this story, and to MMFA's suggestion that other news networks should have covered FoxNews' role in this circus.
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            • Author by themidnightreview.com (September 18, 2009 10:48 am ET)
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              James O'Keefe had written in an article indicating that he was a conservative activist and then wrote that conservative activists "need to be their own media, and use their independent media to obtain their goals"... and that is exactly what they are doing.

              Glenn Beck said that while the other networks were going to discuss health care, which is probably the most important issue at the moment, Fox was going to report a story that was more important that nobody had picked up on (in part because the videos were not released prior to Glenn Beck's program). Beck, and the other conservatives on Fox News had essentially shifted the discussion, trying to sway other media outlets to achieve their goal, which in this case would be the destruction of ACORN.
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      • Author by bintx (September 17, 2009 6:39 pm ET)
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        No, I'm a long time fan of NEWS. I'm an intelligent human being who is able to listen to NEWS/FACTS and form my OWN opinions.

        Unfortunately, there are many folks in this country who don't seem to understand the difference between fact and opinion. They watch the cable opinion networks, in particular, Fox, and believe that they are watching fact because it agrees with their "point of view." It is the responsibility of REAL journalists to expose the lies of the faux journalists that the small segment of folks who watch them believe are real.
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        • Author by right ON (September 17, 2009 6:45 pm ET)
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          "It is the responsibility of REAL journalists to expose the lies of the faux journalists that the small segment of folks who watch them believe are real"

          Since when? So you want the nightly newscasts to devote their half hour every night to monitoring Fox for truthtelling on stories they may also be covering? Ridiculous. Your hatred for Fox is spilling over, get a handle on that.
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          • Author by funnymanpants (September 17, 2009 7:02 pm ET)
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            >>So you want the nightly newscasts to devote their half hour every night to monitoring Fox for truthtelling on stories

            That's obviously not what MMFA is advocating. Also, accusing posters of motivation is a logical fallacy. In fact, it is a type of emotional argument, now that I think about it.
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            • Author by DellDolly (September 17, 2009 7:44 pm ET)
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              We don't want them to be transcriptionists only. We don't want them to do a "he said, she said" report when it's clear that one side has the facts on their side, and the other doesn't. We want them to point out when a News Network (FoxNews) claims to be fair and balanced, yet is controlling the dissemination of this story. FoxNews' role in this event is a relevant part of the story.
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          • Author by bintx (September 18, 2009 10:46 am ET)
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            No, I want them to expose the lies that are being told on the phony 24/7 cable "news" networks. Hon, I despise ALL cable opinion networks, not just Fox. The reason is that people like you believe that you are watching NEWS . . . you don't seem to have the smarts to understand that it is simply OPINION . . . and you run with it. It is up to REAL journalists to expose the lies that are being told on the 24/7 cable OPINION networks as FACT. You know, that's one of the main reasons that the First Amendment provides for a free press. Without a free and independent press, there is no freedom for anyone. The Fourth Estate has a RESPONSIBILITY to the country to expose lies and to report NEWS.

            Keep watching your opinion network . . . let them tell you what you are supposed to think and do and hate. Pretty darned sad existence, in my opinion.
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          • Author by themidnightreview.com (September 18, 2009 11:08 am ET)
               
            When Jayson Blair fabricated and plagiarized articles he had written for The New York Times in 2003, all the media stations called him out on it and investigated the story.

            The problem with not reporting on the falsehoods propagated by journalists like this is that severe damage can take place from false or misleading news.

            When the videos first appeared, they seemed to be indications that some of ACORN's employees acted improperly, but since the release, we had discovered that they were possibly filmed illegally, the journalists have lied about other encounters with other ACORN branches, and they had not fact checked their story before releasing the tapes, especially one with an employee making her own fake story up. Because of their activist journalism, an organization has already lost public funds, the census had dropped them, and other organizations are being targeted for having associations with ACORN. I could make false accusations that a teacher molested me. Regardless of the truth, that teacher's reputation is already smeared.

            Although ACORN should be investigated for these allegations, these reporters should also be investigated for their failure to follow the laws. James O'Keefe had mentioned in an article he wrote that in a previous sting, when threatened with lawsuits for recording illegally, he released video anyway, because any action against them would make them the victim, regardless.

            Instead of violating the law to obtain his stories, maybe he should lawfully investigate, and see what his results will be. This is why cops are really not allowed to engage in entrapment, because it taints the evidence.
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      • Author by captfoster2 (September 17, 2009 7:47 pm ET)
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        well now they have to live with one, Fox, and it makes them bonkers.

        Um.... No!

        Fox Noise is NOT a legitimate news station, but somehow, it is afforded undo legitimacy, and so is part of the media!

        It is questionable to say they ever were! and lost any and all claims to being news when they decided to go out of their way to actually go to court to claim it had the legal right to lie!

        Now why would a 'news' source need or want to do that... I wonder aloud??
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      • Author by DellDolly (September 17, 2009 7:48 pm ET)
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        FoxNews didn't properly vet these video tapes. For example, in a transcript from the San Bernadino taping, the ACORN employee is recorded as telling these fools to leave, that she and ACORN are not going to help them in their quest. But that never made it onto the screen when FoxNews implicated this woman in aiding and abetting a 'prostitute and a pimp' and in killing her abusive husband.

        FoxNews is a relevant part of this story, and so they should be mentioned.

        The two people involved in the filming won't even appear on any other network. That's relevant too.
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        • Author by Tbone Slickens (September 18, 2009 9:17 am ET)
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          The two people involved in the filming won't even appear on any other network. That's relevant too.


          Is this fact or conjecture? I'm not aware that they WILL NOT appear on other networks. Other networks haven't picked up on the story, so that may be the reason? I would think that had they picked up the story then they would be invited to appear on 20/20 or whatever other investigative shows are on the MSM.
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          • Author by vhw28672478 (September 18, 2009 10:15 am ET)
               
            prove it
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            • Author by themidnightreview.com (September 18, 2009 11:25 am ET)
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              In this article he wrote for Big Government, he states that his ethics are being smeared and he refuses to go on what he calls a "CNN Hit Job".

              Not only does he refuse to answer questions outside of Fox News or Breitbart-run websites, his partner Hannah Giles has canceled an interview scheduled for Thursday.
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              • Author by fairliberal (September 18, 2009 9:25 pm ET)
                   
                His behavior reminds me of many democrats, Howard Dean for example, and of course Obama himself. He's like the kid who takes his ball and goes home when he doesn't get his way.
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        • Author by unbiased (September 20, 2009 1:56 am ET)
             
          You have a recording of the ACORN employee "-telling these fools to leave"? You have a "transcript"?
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      • Author by min.sysadmingm.ad13963 (September 17, 2009 8:57 pm ET)
           
        We on the left love diversity of opinion - just not too much of it.

        Hope that helps!
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      • Author by my4cents (September 17, 2009 9:55 pm ET)
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        Even if the other point of view is suspect?
        By the way, I do not expect and believe that ABC, NBC, CBS are presenting their point of view as news. Only Fox News is.
        "network nightly news broadcasts are somehow compelled to report on a cable network's hyping or distorting of anything?"
        When the distortion results in Congressional action it is news and they are expected to report an unbiased news.
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      • Author by Ro (September 18, 2009 11:25 am ET)
           
        The great obfuscator has arrived.
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    • Author by funnymanpants (September 17, 2009 5:50 pm ET)
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      The two film makers have now been caught *twice* in journalistic malpractice, once not checking a story, and thereby promoting a falsehood; and then outright lying about never getting kicked out of any offices.

      Nor have they released the full, unedited versions, although they have been asked to do so; nor will they go on any other outlet than FOX.

      To state the obvious, the two are not journalists. Nor do we have the whole story.
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      • Author by right ON (September 17, 2009 5:54 pm ET)
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        And that's all well and good. Let those invested in tearing down their opposition drag this to their sandbox and duke it out, in this context that would be Fox and MMfA, I guess. ACORN is as relevant or as interesting to me as a tree nut, it's a political volleyball and not much more.

        The responsible media, and that should include ABC, NBC and CBS shouldn't even bother to cover it, and if they do it should be a footnote mention.
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        • Author by funnymanpants (September 17, 2009 6:00 pm ET)
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          >>this context that would be Fox and MMfA, I guess. ACORN is as relevant or as interesting to me as a tree nut, it's a political volleyball and not much more.

          No. The responsible media has to report the whole story, if they are going to report on it at all.
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          • Author by right ON (September 17, 2009 6:03 pm ET)
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            If you wish, but meh for me. However the "whole story" isn't about reporting how a cable news channel is handling the story. That is not the function of CBS or any of them. Let the media watchdoggers do that.
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            • Author by funnymanpants (September 17, 2009 6:05 pm ET)
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              >>However the "whole story" isn't about reporting how a cable news channel is handling the story.

              But that isn't the whole contention of MMFA, is it? They also complain, rightly, that the networks didn't report the whole story. That's a problem for these networks.
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              • Author by right ON (September 17, 2009 6:09 pm ET)
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                I didn't take issue with that part of this thread. Ok, if they want to bore their viewers with covering it, then I am not opposed to full disclosure.
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                • Author by funnymanpants (September 17, 2009 6:45 pm ET)
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                  >>Ok, if they want to bore their viewers with covering it, then I am not opposed to full disclosure.

                  Yes, facts are boring, aren't they? Let's just do sensationalistic journalism like FOX.
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                • Author by unbiased (September 20, 2009 2:09 am ET)
                     
                  How boring are the facts, when they involve your tax dollars?
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        • Author by funnymanpants (September 17, 2009 6:03 pm ET)
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          >>Let those invested in tearing down their opposition drag this to their sandbox and duke it out, in this context that would be Fox and MMfA,

          Also, the cartoon in my local newspaper shows a guy with his hand around a hooker. The guy is saying "Don't tell anyone what you do for a living." ON the guys but is "Dems," and on the woman holds a pocket book with the work ACORN on it.

          A lot of people have an interest in a smearing Obama and the Dems (who have absolutely nothing to do with this scandal) by associating them with ACORN.
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          • Author by funnymanpants (September 17, 2009 6:06 pm ET)
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            >>A lot of people have an interest in a smearing Obama and the Dems

            In case my post wasn't clear, I'm pointing out it is not just a small issue to be "duked" out in the "sandbox."
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          • Author by right ON (September 17, 2009 6:06 pm ET)
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            You may be right, but nobody really cares, I don't think, except like I said those who eat this partisan nonsense up every day. I bet if you ask 10 people on the streets if they know anything about ACORN, 9 of them will tell you they have them in their backyard and squirrels love to bury them. It's a non-story, it's cable news fodder and not much else. It has no legs unless it explodes into something that I cannot envision.
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            • Author by funnymanpants (September 17, 2009 6:09 pm ET)
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              >>You may be right, but nobody really cares, I don't think, except like I said those who eat this partisan nonsense up every day.

              That's true right now, but the right has a way to make anything an issue. If you can generate national outrage at a president's speech, then you can do the same for this.
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            • Author by funnymanpants (September 17, 2009 6:09 pm ET)
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              >>You may be right, but nobody really cares, I don't think, except like I said those who eat this partisan nonsense up every day.

              That's true right now, but the right has a way to make anything an issue. If you can generate national outrage at a president's speech, then you can do the same for this.
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              • Author by right ON (September 17, 2009 6:22 pm ET)
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                Perhaps, but they also ended up looking like fools amping up outrage over a speech encouraging students to stay in school. I think that backfired on them, actually. Also, that was an issue that people could relate too, kids and schools. This is out there political infighting stuff - except for the prostitution sex angle, that's probably why the media covered it all.
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                • Author by funnymanpants (September 17, 2009 6:47 pm ET)
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                  >>Perhaps, but they also ended up looking like fools amping up outrage over a speech

                  But that's not the point. The right shouldn't be allowed to amp any story up, not if there is responsible journalism. Hence, the MMFA piece.
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                  • Author by right ON (September 17, 2009 6:52 pm ET)
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                    The "right" were personalities who have TV and radio shows and voice their opinions, that was who I was referring to. And yes, they should be allowed.
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                    • Author by funnymanpants (September 17, 2009 6:55 pm ET)
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                      >>And yes, they should be allowed.

                      No they should not. Which is all besides the point that the media is not practicing good journalism, the whole point of the MMFA item.
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                      • Author by right ON (September 17, 2009 6:57 pm ET)
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                        No they should not? Are you serious? You don't think opinion shows should be allowed.

                        Wow, you are scary.

                        Enjoy your evening.
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                        • Author by funnymanpants (September 17, 2009 6:58 pm ET)
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                          >>No they should not? Are you serious? You don't think opinion shows should be allowed.

                          That's obviously not what I said.

                          Again, it's besides the point. MMFA is right in pointing out that the networks are not practicing good journalism here.
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                        • Author by DellDolly (September 17, 2009 7:58 pm ET)
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                          What are you talking about? You're the scary one with your outrageous opinions and debate tactics that fail almost every test.

                          MMFA isn't saying anything about opinion shows not existing!!! Neither is the previous poster. We're talking about Networks not talking about the role that FoxNews has had in the distribution of this story!!!

                          Man, you are a trip.
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                          • Author by funnymanpants (September 17, 2009 8:02 pm ET)
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                            >>You're the scary one with your outrageous opinions and debate tactics that fail almost every test.

                            Yes, that's the general way Tommy works.
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                • Author by unbiased (September 20, 2009 2:14 am ET)
                     
                  Wonder why the President's speach was CHANGED to "work hard" and "stay in school"?
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            • Author by DellDolly (September 17, 2009 7:55 pm ET)
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              It doesn't really matter how big of a story it is. No one here claimed that it was earth-shattering. The fact that it's not a big story to most people doesn't mean that when the networks are covering this small story, they shouldn't do a good job with that coverage.

              You don't get to say that it's only important to do a good job covering a story if it's important. They should do a good job covering all stories.

              And leaving out FoxNews very relevant relationship to this story isn't an example of doing a good job covering the story.
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        • Author by bintx (September 17, 2009 6:40 pm ET)
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          This isn't about opposition, it's about responsible journalism.
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          • Author by right ON (September 17, 2009 6:55 pm ET)
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            Going after Fox News is not about the necessity of responsible journalism, give me a break. It's about being all p'od at a popular rightward tilted network and taking them down, that's what is behind all of it. And we both know it.
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            • Author by funnymanpants (September 17, 2009 7:00 pm ET)
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              >>Going after Fox News is not about the necessity of responsible journalism, give me a break. It's about being all p'od at a popular rightward tilted network and taking them down, that's what is behind all of it. And we both know it.

              No it's not. Again, it's about responsible journalism. The other networks have a responsabilty to report the whole story, which they didn't do.
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            • Author by my4cents (September 17, 2009 10:01 pm ET)
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              No.
              It may not not be about 'responsible journalism' but it is about going after their motives.
              News channels should not have any motives.
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            • Author by bintx (September 18, 2009 10:40 am ET)
                 
              Uh, not, it's about responsible journalism. Lies of the sort which are promulgated by the phony "journalists" on Fox are endangering the future of this country. It's up to REAL journalists to expose the lies.
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            • Author by pot (September 19, 2009 5:41 am ET)
                 
              Going after Acorn isn't about the necessity of anything except trying to take down a liberal organization. It's about being all p'od off (for many years) at a popular leftward titled organization and taking them down, that's what is behind all of it. And we both know it.
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            • Author by pot (September 19, 2009 5:43 am ET)
                 
              Going after Acorn isn't about the necessity of anything except trying to take down a liberal organization. It's about being all p'od off (for many years) at a popular leftward titled organization and taking them down, that's what is behind all of it. And we both know it.
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        • Author by bintx (September 18, 2009 10:51 am ET)
             
          You are assuming that Fox is part of the "responsible media." It is not . . . Fox [nor MSNBC or CNN] is not a news network. It is about 90% opinion and 10% news. The 24 hours cable opinion networks are entertainment networks, not news networks. If you are getting your "news" exclusively from any of these networks, then you are woefully uninformed.
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        • Author by unbiased (September 20, 2009 2:03 am ET)
             
          Famous last words-
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      • Author by captfoster2 (September 17, 2009 8:03 pm ET)
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        So basically... what we have here are two producers who are willing to sell their lies for money and a cable station more than willing to buy into it...

        Uh huh...

        Jane Akre and Steve Wilson

        Two good and decent people who got royally screwed by trying to speak the truth.
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    • Author by terrapin53 (September 17, 2009 5:56 pm ET)
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      as I have said in other threads...this is not a story worth reporting. It is a local matter and I still question whether Acorn folks broke any laws. Somebody find me a law they broke. Giving bad advice is not breaking any laws as far as I know, otherwise Beck would be in jail by now.
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      • Author by placitasroy (September 17, 2009 6:37 pm ET)
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        You can say it all you want, but the fact is that it is gaining traction and is going to be another one of those damn BIG LIE pieces of propaganda that is another of a 1000 cuts.

        This is going to be another textbook example of letting a little piece of stupidity screw up the big message. Unfortunately there hasn't been ANY push back. ACORN's response has SUCKED!

        Why the hell wasn't the Philly story out on the PR wires and maybe even backed up with a couple of paid response ads in the NYT or WaPo or on a couple of cable channels!

        A little grain of sand in your shoe is an irritant....until it causes a blister....which is an irritant....until it gets infected....which is an irritant...until you get gangrene...which is an irritant....until your leg is amputated...which is an irritant...until you get an infection...which is an irritant until you DIE!
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    • Author by FGFM (September 17, 2009 6:24 pm ET)
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      They rarely prosecute these sort of cases, but it's illegal under federal wiretapping law to record audio without the knowledge of all the parties involved. Video and photographs are generally legal. That's why audio is usually not included in surveillance systems.
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    • Author by albertsenj (September 18, 2009 12:12 am ET)
         
      Even though the government wasn't defrauded out of any money, that's not much of a defense. IF the ACORN reps thought they were actually supplying this advice, they would be in the wrong.
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      • Author by terrapin53 (September 18, 2009 8:58 am ET)
           
        being in the wrong is different than breaking any laws. I am not justifying what they did. I am looking at this as what law did they break.
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    • Author by felixw (September 18, 2009 1:41 am ET)
         
      Get real. The networks don't mention Fox when covering the Acorn story because they hate admitting that Fox broke this story while they were ignoring it. Sure it would have been more honest to admit that Fox had taken the lead in the coverage. But it would have been even more honest to have done some reporting themselves, instead of covering up the scandal until it reached the Senate floor.
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    • Author by bobklahn (September 18, 2009 9:59 am ET)
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      All of this Acorn commentary is meaningless. All he defenses you offer, all the criticism of Fox is meaningless.

      The only thing that matters is, where is the rest of the video? Until they release the entire video it's all BS.
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    • Author by edrossinoelwein9669 (September 18, 2009 3:32 pm ET)
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      It's so nice to see MMFA defending tax cheats welfare fraud, child prostitution and illegal immigration - all in one! But wait - they defend Democrats everyday!
      Move along, folks, nothing new here. Just another glaring example of how morally bankrupt the Left is.
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      • Author by fabucat58 (September 19, 2009 10:23 am ET)
           
        Oh really? Then how come Elliott Spitzer no longer is NY Gov., but David Vitter and Ensign still are in the US Senate and Sanford still is SC Gov.? Begone phoney!
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      • Author by unbiased (September 20, 2009 2:23 am ET)
           
        Wait until you see how well your tax dollars have been spent.
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    • Author by MK Ultra (September 18, 2009 11:27 pm ET)
         
      Ain't it funny how these yo yos can be so voisterous about certain things yet so very mum about others?
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    • Author by Sayhay (September 19, 2009 11:18 am ET)
         
      Please forget the partisan sniping for a second. "The filming was done illegally" C'mon. Wake up. Where is your outrage that FOUR TIMES the ACORN folks actively cooperated with horrible concepts. What kind of morals does this organization have if this happens even once! Under-age sex slaves for a brothel. GET SERIOUS!! This was a HORRIBLE thing they were lying to facilitate.Hate Beck if you want. Hate conservatives if you want. You have no credibility when you lose your sense of outrage at these actions.
      Please don't just respond with the feeble "you should be outraged with --fill in the blank-- on Fox". Or the lame "not every ACORN office agreed'. NONE should have agreed.Try to respond to issues and events. Simply saying the right did something wrong, as if it balances it out is irrelevant. Discuss individual issues on their own merits.



      ACORN is corrupt. It is not to be trusted. It should be investigated. It should not receive any tax payer funds.

      As for "The filming was done illegally" what would you say if it was used to find right wing fraud or scandal? Of course you wouldn't complain.


      How about rational discussion of issues? Comment on how difficult it is to fund massive bureaucracies without having corrupt employees misuse funds. Think about how you can accomplish your goals in a practical fashion. Realize that just because an organization has goals that seem laudable, it doesn't mean they are efficient, effective, honest or actually meeting their responsibilities. Be intellectually honest. If you want organizations that will follow "The Chicago Way" and dole out favors in order to gain votes, say so.

      Many on the left are so afraid to admit wrongs on their side, as it will empower the opposition. ACORN is a corrupt mess. Get rid of it. Find ways to do this that empower people, not government. When you refuse to acknowledge an obvious outrage, you lose credibility and won't be listened to in rational discussions on issues.

      Discuss specifics about issues. Insist on rational replies about those points. Resort to ad hominem attacks only when you are willing to admit you have nothing intelligent or constructive to say. If all you can do is insult your fellow citizens who simply disagree with you, then you are just are wasting everyone else's time.
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    • Author by NOACORNS (September 20, 2009 9:20 am ET)
         
      So all te liberals would rather give our hard earned tax dollars to an organization that has repeayedly shown to be corrupt and your ok with that? Can you imagine the red cross run like acorn. Where is the accountability or human decency. I am sure there are SOME that are not as sleezey but I venture to say that organizations ussually stink from the head down. This one is smelling really bad to me. People who still support this organization are free to do so but when it comes to my tax money screw them they should have been managing this in a decent and law biding way. Instead it grew to the corrupt organoization it is today. Let george soros pay for these thugs but not my money.
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