Another McCaughey backtrack: How many more before media discredit her?
Serial misinformer Betsy McCaughey again backtracked on a false claim she made about health care reform, now writing in The Wall Street Journal that White House adviser Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel believes reform must include "redefining" the Hippocratic Oath; in May, Media Matters for America noted McCaughey had falsely claimed Emanuel wanted to "eliminate" the oath. McCaughey's claim is the latest in a series of instances in which she was caught making an outright false claim about health care reform and backtracked, but nonetheless continued to attack and distort progressives' policies without acknowledging her backtrack from her prior falsehood.
McCaughey: Emanuel believes reform must include "redefining" the Hippocratic Oath
From McCaughey's August 27 Journal column:
Dr. Emanuel says that health reform will not be pain free, and that the usual recommendations for cutting medical spending (often urged by the president) are mere window dressing. As he wrote in the Feb. 27, 2008, issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA): "Vague promises of savings from cutting waste, enhancing prevention and wellness, installing electronic medical records and improving quality of care are merely 'lipstick' cost control, more for show and public relations than for true change."
True reform, he argues, must include redefining doctors' ethical obligations. In the June 18, 2008, issue of JAMA, Dr. Emanuel blames the Hippocratic Oath for the "overuse" of medical care: "Medical school education and post graduate education emphasize thoroughness," he writes. "This culture is further reinforced by a unique understanding of professional obligations, specifically the Hippocratic Oath's admonition to 'use my power to help the sick to the best of my ability and judgment' as an imperative to do everything for the patient regardless of cost or effect on others." [Wall Street Journal, 8/27/09]
Emanuel did not "blame" the oath for the "overuse" of medical care. Rather, as Media Matters noted, he argued in his June 18 JAMA piece, co-authored by Victor R. Fuchs, that the culture of health care "overuse" has led physicians to interpret the Hippocratic Oath "as an imperative to do everything for the patient regardless of cost or effect on others."
McCaughey previously said Emanuel wanted to "eliminate" the Hippocratic Oath
From the May 11 edition of Fox Business' Cavuto:
McCAUGHEY: He said you hear all of these vague promises of savings from health information technology, from eliminating waste, from preventive care. He calls that "merely lipstick cost control" -- more for show and PR than for real.
He said if you want to save money in health care, we're going to have to push doctors to eliminate the Hippocratic Oath and give more attention to costs when they're treating a patient. Don't be focused so much on the welfare of your own patient; think about where else the money could be spent -- maybe for prenatal care for the lady down the hall.
McCaughey has a history of backtracking her attacks on Democrats' health care proposals when confronted
CLAIM: Provisions in the economic recovery act would permit the government to dictate treatment.
- Discussing the health care information technology provisions on CNN's Lou Dobbs Tonight, McCaughey asserted, "It promises several things. It promises that whatever the system is, it's going to eliminate inefficient care, excessive care, duplicative care. It's going to eliminate disparities of care between one person and another." Responding to host Lou Dobbs' claim, "[T]he issue is, in whose opinion is it duplication?" McCaughey asserted, "Whatever the federal government deems unnecessary care. Take a look at page 442. And worse yet -- and now I'm speaking really to the physicians -- this bill gives the secretary of Health and Human Services the power to determine which doctors are, quote, 'meaningful users of this new system' -- it's against the rules not to be -- and empowers the secretary to use quote, 'increasingly stringent measures to enforce compliance.' " [2/10/09]
- On Fox News' Glenn Beck, McCaughey said the provisions "explain why every doctor in the United States and every patient will be required to use these records. It says that it will achieve elimination of waste, more cost-effective medicine, that it will eliminate disparities between what one patient gets and another" and that "[t]he secretary of Health and Human Services is empowered to determine which medical providers, doctors, and hospitals are, quote, 'meaningful users of this system,' and therefore, in compliance. And, the HHS secretary is also authorized to use 'increasingly stringent measures' -- that's the language in the bill -- 'to enforce compliance.' " [2/10/09]
McCaughey backtrack: Legislation is vague enough to allow it to happen in the future. Indeed, CNN senior medical correspondent Elizabeth Cohen reported during the February 11 edition of CNN Newsroom, "I had a PDF of the bill up on my computer. I said, 'Show me where in the bill it says that this bill is going to have the government telling your doctor what to do.' And she directed me to language -- it didn't actually say that. But she said that it was vague enough that it would allow for that to happen in the future." Cohen added, "Now when we asked the folks who wrote this bill, 'Hey, is this bill going to allow the government to tell doctors what to do?" they used words like, 'preposterous' and 'completely and wildly untrue.' "
CLAIM: The House health care reform bill would "absolutely require" end-of-life counseling.
- On Fred Thompson's July 16 radio show, McCaughey claimed of the House tri-committee health care reform bill:
McCAUGHEY: And one of the most shocking things I found in this bill, and there were many, is on Page 425, where the Congress would make it mandatory -- absolutely require -- that every five years, people in Medicare have a required counseling session that will tell them how to end their life sooner, how to decline nutrition, how to decline being hydrated, how to go in to hospice care. And by the way, the bill expressly says that if you get sick somewhere in that five-year period -- if you get a cancer diagnosis, for example -- you have to go through that session again. All to do what's in society's best interest or your family's best interest and cut your life short. These are such sacred issues of life and death. Government should have nothing to do with this. [fredthompsonshow.com, interview archives, 07/16/09]
- Following her appearance on Thompson's show, McCaughey made a similar claim in a July 17 New York Post op-ed, writing that "[o]ne troubling provision" of the bill "compels seniors to submit to a counseling session every five years ... about alternatives for end-of-life care," adding that the "mandate invites abuse, and seniors could easily be pushed to refuse care."
McCaughey backtrack: Bill makes counseling mandatory "in so many words." According to a July 28 Politico article, when asked about criticism of her claim that the bill makes counseling "mandatory" -- a falsehood that earned a "Pants on Fire" status from PolitiFact.com -- McCaughey claimed that she was right about the effect (if not the literal wording) of the legislation. McCaughey stated that "[i]n so many words" the bill would make end-of-life counseling mandatory because "although it is presented in the bill as a Medicare service, when a doctor or a nurse approaches an elderly person who is in poor health, facing a decline in health, and raises these issues, it is not offering a service. It is pressuring them."
New York Times: McCaughey "largely quot[ed]" Emanuel's "past writings out of context this summer"
According to an August 24 New York Times article:
Few people hold a more uncomfortable place at the health care debate's intersection between nuanced policy and cable-ready political rhetoric than President Obama's special health care adviser, Dr. Ezekiel J. Emanuel.
Largely quoting his past writings out of context this summer, Betsy McCaughey, a former lieutenant governor of New York, labeled Dr. Emanuel a "deadly doctor" who believes health care should be "reserved for the nondisabled" -- a false assertion that Representative Michele Bachmann, Republican of Minnesota, repeated on the House floor.
[...]
Ms. McCaughey seemed to have evidence for her conclusion that "he explicitly defends discrimination against older patients" in a recent New York Post opinion article. She quoted from a paper he co-wrote for Lancet in January: "Even if 25-year-olds receive priority over 65-year-olds, everyone who is 65 years now was previously 25."
But she did not report that the paper was addressing the allocation of "very scarce resources" like kidneys or vaccines, not the system in general.
Dr. Emanuel's argument -- that young adults should take priority in vying for limited health resources because they will get more years of life from them -- is a fairly mainstream if unpleasant approach to a problem with only bad choices, ethicists and doctors of varying persuasions say.
"These kinds of dilemmas go on every day in clinical practice," said Dr. Scott Gottlieb, a physician and scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative research group. "There's a very big leap to say his contemplations about how doctors contend with these issues extends to saying he believes government should take on these issues."
Dr. Gottlieb opposes the administration's proposals, calling them too prescriptive, too expensive, and too open to eventual increased rationing.
In a brief interview, Ms. McCaughey said that either way, because of its Medicare cost cuts, "the president's proposal will force hospitals to operate with scarce resources."
The administration disputes that assertion.
Ms. McCaughey, Ms. Palin and others have based accusations that Dr. Emanuel would direct treatment away from the disabled on a 1996 paper he wrote for the Hastings Center bioethics institute.
In it, Dr. Emanuel did not assert that "medical care should be reserved for the nondisabled," as the critics have said.
The paper laid out what he called a growing consensus among competing political philosophies about how a society should allocate health care services. In clinical terms, he said that consensus held that those who "are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens" should not be guaranteed the same level of treatment as others.
He cited as an example, "not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia."
Dr. Emanuel said he was simply describing a consensus held by others, not himself.















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Why ARE we liberals SO BAD at anticipating and disarming the Army of Misinformation? Is it because we wrongly assume that once we are in the White House and hold the majority that things will be handled with reason and dignity? Our idealism gets the best of us everytime. We are like an abused woman with a tyrant of an ex-husband (I oughtta know). I sincerely hope we learn how to maneuver the political dialogues to neutralize these attacks before they have the chance to throw us so far off balance and put us in this defensive position.
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Factcheck criticized her for this lie.
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That's not an excuse, it's the conclusion I had after watching on Stewart and then seeing a couple of her other appearances.
Her degree is history - a PhD in constitutional history. She is not degreed in law or medicine. [Full disclosure, nor am I.] But she has demonstrated an inability to analyze the facts then leap to a conclusion not supported by facts.
I wish I could get paid to spout this kind of B.S., it would be a whole lot easier than developing patentable technologies that literally compete with the best on the planet.
He clearly said that one of the 7 driving factors to Health Care Overuse was; (His words)
"This culture is further reinforced by a unique
understanding of professional obligations, specifically, the Hippocratic Oath's admonition to "use my power to help the sick to the best of my ability and judgment" as an imperative to do everything for the patient regardless of cost or effect on
others."
To me, what that says that if doctors would just do a little less for their patients, then health care wouldn't be so expensive. Do you really want your doctor to "Do a little less?"
I don't
OK, so she may have slightly exagerated what he said, but if you read the piece, you can infer what she inferred, if you want.
Looks to me, what he said is that to cut health care costs, you can't do it by "cutting waste and ineffeciencies" that one of the things you must do is decide who deserves what treatment and how much of it. Right now, since insurance companies (for the insured) are footing the bills, no one is really concerned how much things cost (someone else is paying). Well, what happens when the government gets control of this? You can't honestly believe there is not going to be some beaurocratic panel somewhere deciding what procedures are going to be allowed and which aren't, because they cost too much or you're too old for it to be beneficial.
I'd like one of you genieuses out there to tell me how to lower costs without rationing health care, letting people die, etc. I think about 65-70% of health care costs are incurred by seniors.
the Hippocratic oath, and "redifining," it is a distinction without
much of a difference. Your own report on Emanuel and his co-author
states, "that the culture of health care "overuse" of health care has led physicians to interpret the Hippocratic oath, "as an
imperative to do everthing for the patient regardless of cost or
effect on others." Emanuel says that as if it is a bad thing.
If you are the patient isn't that what you want? That everything
be done for you. Yes, I mean you, the reader of this comment, don't
you want everything to be done for you, regardless of the cost effectiveness of your life on society. The way the Hippocratic Oath
is interpreted now is how it has been interpreted since it was first formulated. To redfine it now, is to eliminate the present
definition in favor of a new definition. To redefine anything is to change or eliminate the origiansl definition.
defination
Give a damn
Care enough to try their level best
Are not ideologically right-wing
I firmly believe that whenever a particular part of government does not work, I'd be willing to bet that you can look at the ideology of the person(s) in that department or whether they are taking money from outside sources??
While I also believe that there are some Democratic leaning, liberal types in government that end up bad for one reason or another, I more than believe that EVERY conservative right-wing ideolog that gets into government (at any level) does so for the express reason of doing their part in proving Ronnie Raygun's little illogic that started the whole government is bad mentality so that when they get out of government they can get hired by some think tank and shout about how bad government is.
And this McCaughey lady is a near perfect example of exactly that!
Give a damn
Care enough to try their level best
Are not ideologically right-wing<-Do not allow their ideology to interfere with or bias the way they do their job.
i live in Toronto Canada and i always had my problems with politics anywhere in the world, people (politicians) dealing with another small group (other politicians, making deals and so on) and affecting everyone else, but not since i started following your health care debate have been really shocked at the extent that some people will go to further their cause - and i am from Nigeria originally, our politics aint exactly a model to the world (Don't get me started on Glenn Beck).
I would really like to see Howard Dean (who i dont know much about but have become a huge fan of in the last few weeks) just walk in on a Republican Town Hall meeting and challenge anything any of these people have to say, he seems to be one of the few people (and that other young senetor, i forget his name, the one who challenged the republicans to vote to cancel medicare) who can really articulate their position (oh yah, and Barney Frank)
i would like to see Obama (even though i dont really think it would be a good idea, their paranoid minds would just have a field day with it) take out 1 hour of his day to just call Rush Limbaugh/Glenn Beck (though i hate that it would probably increase their ratings some more) and challenge everything these people seem to have to say in the name of your constituition.
I always say to people, when you make arguments based on words/comments that really are neither here nor there, but that suggest the worst things in a situation (even though they suggest good things as well, the good never gets noticed, its such a terrible human "flaw"), you practically put yourself out there as someone who lacks enough intellectual heft to carry a reasonable argument and sadly, it makes that person pretty much impossible to argue with...
...sorry for the rant, just found out i could actually post comments on here :)
Right wing pundits like Betsy McCaughey stir things up and get people's blood boiling on both sides of the argument. Like Sarah Palin, she's a provocateur and a rabble-rouser who's claiming to look out for the average American and protect them from the tyranny of big government. From her perspective and that of her followers, it doesn't matter if she gets the details wrong because she understands the big picture. Goverment = death.
She will continue to be booked on "news shows" as long as she continues to entertain.
Never. They just keep regurgitating the same garbage.
I think that it makes good television, not news. For network and cable stations to feature a highly controversial person on their show could have a positive effect on ratings.
I can't see how anyone would believe Glenn Beck, but people do. I watch him so I can have a better understanding of the conservative mindset. It is like what Sun Tzu discusses in The Art Of War: