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Have Sotomayor's critics actually read her Berkeley speech?

May 29, 2009 8:15 pm ET

SUMMARY: Numerous media figures have pointed to a sentence from a 2001 speech by Sonia Sotomayor to characterize her or her comments as being "racist" while ignoring the point of Sotomayor's speech, which undercuts their criticisms.

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Since President Obama announced the nomination of Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court, numerous media figures have pointed to a sentence from a speech she delivered in 2001 at the University of California, Berkeley, School of Law, to characterize her or her remark as being "racist." But in singling out and criticizing her for the remark -- "I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life" -- these media figures have ignored the point of Sotomayor's speech, which undercuts their criticisms. Sotomayor made the comment in question while discussing the importance of diversity on the bench and the effect of background and personal experiences on judicial decision-making, a point made by such conservatives as Justices Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas.

Those who highlight the one comment miss her broader point, which is amplified in her words immediately following the statement for which she is being criticized. From Sotomayor's 2001 speech:

Let us not forget that wise men like Oliver Wendell Holmes and Justice [Benjamin] Cardozo voted on cases which upheld both sex and race discrimination in our society. Until 1972, no Supreme Court case ever upheld the claim of a woman in a gender discrimination case. I, like Professor Carter, believe that we should not be so myopic as to believe that others of different experiences or backgrounds are incapable of understanding the values and needs of people from a different group. Many are so capable. As Judge Cedarbaum pointed out to me, nine white men on the Supreme Court in the past have done so on many occasions and on many issues including Brown.

However, to understand takes time and effort, something that not all people are willing to give. For others, their experiences limit their ability to understand the experiences of others. Other simply do not care. Hence, one must accept the proposition that a difference there will be by the presence of women and people of color on the bench. Personal experiences affect the facts that judges choose to see.

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I am reminded each day that I render decisions that affect people concretely and that I owe them constant and complete vigilance in checking my assumptions, presumptions and perspectives and ensuring that to the extent that my limited abilities and capabilities permit me, that I reevaluate them and change as circumstances and cases before me requires. I can and do aspire to be greater than the sum total of my experiences but I accept my limitations. I willingly accept that we who judge must not deny the differences resulting from experience and heritage but attempt, as the Supreme Court suggests, continuously to judge when those opinions, sympathies and prejudices are appropriate.

As is clear, Sotomayor does not talk only of the benefits she derives from her experiences; she also notes the challenge to her as a judge "to be greater than the sum total of my experiences," and "continuously to judge when those opinions, sympathies and prejudices are appropriate."

Sotomayor is not the first Supreme Court nominee to make the point that judges are influenced by their background and experiences. Indeed, conservative Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito have each acknowledged the significant impact that their personal background and experiences have had on their judicial thinking. Alito asserted during his 2006 confirmation hearing:

ALITO: I don't come from an affluent background or a privileged background. My parents were both quite poor when they were growing up.

And I know about their experiences and I didn't experience those things. I don't take credit for anything that they did or anything that they overcame.

But I think that children learn a lot from their parents and they learn from what the parents say. But I think they learn a lot more from what the parents do and from what they take from the stories of their parents lives.

And that's why I went into that in my opening statement. Because when a case comes before me involving, let's say, someone who is an immigrant -- and we get an awful lot of immigration cases and naturalization cases -- I can't help but think of my own ancestors, because it wasn't that long ago when they were in that position.

And so it's my job to apply the law. It's not my job to change the law or to bend the law to achieve any result.

But when I look at those cases, I have to say to myself, and I do say to myself, "You know, this could be your grandfather, this could be your grandmother. They were not citizens at one time, and they were people who came to this country."

When I have cases involving children, I can't help but think of my own children and think about my children being treated in the way that children may be treated in the case that's before me.

And that goes down the line. When I get a case about discrimination, I have to think about people in my own family who suffered discrimination because of their ethnic background or because of religion or because of gender. And I do take that into account. When I have a case involving someone who's been subjected to discrimination because of disability, I have to think of people who I've known and admire very greatly who've had disabilities, and I've watched them struggle to overcome the barriers that society puts up often just because it doesn't think of what it's doing -- the barriers that it puts up to them.

So those are some of the experiences that have shaped me as a person.

During his Supreme Court confirmation hearings, responding to Sen. Herb Kohl's (D-WI) question, "I'd like to ask you why you want this job?" Thomas stated in part: "I believe, Senator, that I can make a contribution, that I can bring something different to the Court, that I can walk in the shoes of the people who are affected by what the Court does."

Examples of media figures misrepresenting Sotomayor's "wise Latina" comment include:

  • During the May 29 edition of Andrea Mitchell Reports, MSNBC political analyst Pat Buchanan claimed, "If Sam Alito had said, 'I think given their life's experience and the richness of it, white males will make better decisions than Latina females,' he would be out. He would be finished."
  • In a May 27 post on his Twitter feed, Fox News contributor and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-GA) commented: "Imagine a judicial nominee said 'my experience as a white man makes me better than a latina woman' new racism is no better than old racism." In a subsequent post, he added: "White man racist nominee would be forced to withdraw. Latina woman racist should also withdraw."
  • During the May 29 edition of Fox News' Brian and the Judge, Fox News host Chris Wallace claimed of Sotomayor's comments: "It's certainly not very smart of her to have said. And I think it's troubling. You know, it troubles me. And I think, you know, the best thing to do in any of these cases is just reverse it and say, 'How would it have been if somebody had said, you know, "A wise white judge -- white male judge would come to a better decision, a better conclusion than a Latino judge"?' You know, and of course that would be considered hate speech and just awful, and a judge would be railroaded off the bench if they said that."
  • On the May 26 edition of his nationally syndicated radio program, Rush Limbaugh posed a hypothetical: "Chief Justice John Roberts, in another speech, said, 'I would hope that a wise white man, with the richness of his experience, would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a Latina female who hasn't lived the rich white man's life.' Do you think there would be any dispute that John Roberts had made a racist statement?"
  • During the May 26 edition of Fox News' Special Report, Fox News contributor Charles Krauthammer said of Sotomayor: "She's a person who said in a speech that she would hope that a Latina -- wise Latina woman would have -- would come to better conclusions as a judge than a white male. I mean, imagine if you heard someone say the reverse. He'd be run out of town as a racist and a sexist."
  • During the May 26 edition of Fox News' America's Newsroom, co-host Megyn Kelly described Sotomayor's remarks as "reverse racism" and said it was "[l]ike she's saying that Latina judges are obviously better than white male judges." Kelly later added, "I've looked at the entire speech that she was offering to see if that was taken out of context, and I have to tell you ... it wasn't."
  • On the May 27 edition of his Fox News program, Sean Hannity asked guest Julie Menin: "This would never be tolerated by a white male. Why do you, as a liberal, accept this double standard?" Hannity twice repeated the hypothetical, asking Menin: "To use the Newt Gingrich example, 'My experience as a white man makes me better than a Latino woman.' If anybody said that, would they have any chance today of getting on the court?" He subsequently said to Menin: "If a white male said that, you liberals would be excoriating them."
  • During the May 27 edition of ABC News' Good Morning America, right-wing pundit Ann Coulter called Sotomayor's comment a "racist statement."
  • Pointing in part to Sotomayor's comments during the May 27 edition of The Glenn Beck Program, host Glenn Beck called her a "racist."
  • During the May 26 edition of Fox News' The Live Desk, Fox News contributor Tucker Carlson claimed Sotomayor made a "racist statement."
  • During the May 26 edition of his syndicated radio show, Lou Dobbs described Sotomayor's comments as "racist."
  • In his May 29 syndicated column, Buchanan described Sotomayor as an "anti-white, liberal judicial activist" and went on to quote her remarks out of context. He then added: "Imagine if Sam Alito had said at Bob Jones University, 'I would hope that a wise white male with the richness of his life experience would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a Hispanic woman, who hasn't lived that life.' Alito would have been toast. No explanation, no apology would have spared him. He would have been branded for life a white bigot."
  • In a May 29 column, Chicago Tribune columnist John Kass said of Sotomayor's 2001 comment: "What would happen if I began a column about the corrosive effects of government-sanctioned racism with the following idiotic idea? 'I would hope that a wise white man with the richness of his experience would more often than not reach a better conclusion than an African-American or Latino who hasn't lived that life.' If I wrote such nonsense, I'd be denounced as a racist. And President Barack Obama would never nominate me to the Supreme Court."
  • On the May 26 edition of Fox News' Glenn Beck, Beck read Sotomayor's statement and asserted: "Gosh, that smacks of racism," to which Ethics and Public Policy Center president and National Review Online contributor M. Edward Whelan responded: "Well, any white male who made the equivalent of that statement would readily be indicted for racism."
  • On the May 26 edition of Lou Dobbs Tonight, Dobbs asked CNN analyst Jeffrey Toobin of Sotomayor's remark: "If one were to invert those words and say that a white male with a richness of his experience would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a Latino woman, would that make him a racist and a sexist?"
  • A May 27 Washington Examiner editorial, headlined "The racist jurisprudence of Sonia Sotomayor," asserted of Sotomayor's comment: "It is not hard to imagine the outcry that would greet a white male nominee who suggested that his ethnicity and experience would enable him to reach better conclusions than a minority who had lived a different sort of life. He would be dismissed as a racist, and rightly so. Is President Obama now asking that we look the other way when blatant racism comes from an Hispanic woman of otherwise solid achievement?"
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    • Author by mrhebert74 (May 29, 2009 9:22 pm ET)
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      "Have Sotomayor's critics actually read her Berkeley speech?"

      Maybe. But they don't care about that. They only care that the juicy isolated quote can be presented as the sum and total of the meaning Sotomayor was trying to convey. Grey areas are not interesting or important to Sotomayor's critics. They would ask instead this question:

      "Are the people likely to listen to us likely to read Sotomayor's Berkeley speech?"

      Concluding "no," they have free reign to pretend she meant whatever they want her to have meant.

      Prediction: if any wingnuts respond, they'll follow this formula exactly, quoting the "wise Latina" line, considering it in isolation, and saying "No two ways about it -- that's racist."
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      • Author by Craig (May 30, 2009 1:09 am ET)
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        I'm sure some of her critics did read the speech, if only to look for other statements that could be used to support the racism smear. I guess they didn't find anything.

        Just like they haven't found any examples of judicial activism or, for that matter, any troubling behavior, unless you count the funny name, the weird foods, speaking illegal, and menstruating.
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      • Author by carlileb5935 (May 30, 2009 5:05 pm ET)
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        I don't think many of her defenders have read the speech, either, because they are not doing a very good job of defending her-- as, happening to mention that she was talking about gender and ethnicity issues and not a general advantage to the Latina worldview...
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        • Author by mrhebert74 (May 30, 2009 5:48 pm ET)
             
          I hear you carl. Ed Schultz was browbeating a righty on TV about this, saying basically, "Do you really believe she's a racist?" I kept waiting for him to drop the hammer, but he never really did.
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    • Author by spooky3 (May 29, 2009 10:03 pm ET)
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      While not as bad as some, Nina Totenberg's discussion of this issue today on NPR was disappointing. I did not hear anything about the fact that Sotomayer was specifically discussing race and sex discrimination cases. She tended to repeat RW talking points without sufficiently discussing the facts that contradicted them. She is usually much better than that.
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      • Author by carlileb5935 (May 30, 2009 5:08 pm ET)
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        Exactly.

        Sotomayor's defenders are actually making things worse for her, because they are validating a "Latinas might be superior" point that she was not making at all.

        They talk about "context" but they are ignorant of what the context really was. Their "context" makes it sound like Sotomayor thinks Latinas are indeed better-- and that's OK maybe, right?
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    • Author by JimInTheBay (May 29, 2009 10:59 pm ET)
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      lets take another famous speech out of context via deletion of choice words

      " i..thank god ronald reagan...had a...daring...relationship...with...our dog millie" george herbert walker bush, giving reagan's eulogy


      that was easy and fun to do.
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    • Author by LisaLV711 (May 30, 2009 4:20 am ET)
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      "Have Sotomayor's critics actually read her Berkeley speech?"

      No. Why? They can't read and those who can, lack basic comprehension skills.
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      • Author by scanlontodd9871 (May 30, 2009 10:11 am ET)
           
        According to the article Megyn Kelley of fox news read the article and said she could not find any thing in her speech that would have been taken out of context and she couldnt
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        • Author by carlileb5935 (May 30, 2009 5:13 pm ET)
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          She has a point-- because the context was the event itself. But to ignore this is just as bad.
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    • Author by frankly0 (May 30, 2009 9:46 am ET)
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      Really, I do wish people would acknowledge the obvious: Sotomayor made a major mistake in writing those words.

      Look, you can pretend all you want that all Sotomayor was referring to in her now infamous remarks were judicial decisions having to do with cases of discrimination. There is nothing to support that desperate attempt at excusing her remarks. I suggest that you look again at the entire paragraph in which the sentence in question arose:

      Whether born from experience or inherent physiological or cultural differences, a possibility I abhor less or discount less than my colleague Judge Cedarbaum, our gender and national origins may and will make a difference in our judging. Justice O'Connor has often been cited as saying that a wise old man and wise old woman will reach the same conclusion in deciding cases. I am not so sure Justice O'Connor is the author of that line since Professor Resnik attributes that line to Supreme Court Justice Coyle. I am also not so sure that I agree with the statement. First, as Professor Martha Minnow has noted, there can never be a universal definition of wise. Second, I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life.


      There is nothing in the previous sentences to restrict the application of any of the remarks in that sentence only to cases of discrimination. The quote "a wise old man and wise old woman will reach the same conclusion in deciding cases," certainly says nothing to so restrict the meaning; indeed, it's suggesting complete generality in its application to all cases. When she quotes Minnow as saying, "there can never be a universal definition of wise," there is likewise no mention of discrimination cases, and no restriction implied.

      It is purest fabrication to pretend that there's some larger context, which we should clearly understood, that excuses this sentence. To suggest that that Sotomayor really understood that context, and expected readers to understand it, is to make the claim that she is about as sloppy and careless a thinker and writer as might occupy the judiciary. Unless people have a very dim view indeed of her ability to exercise rigor in her expression, I'd think that no excuse invoking such a poorly, and only very speculatively, connected "context" is possible here.

      And what I find particularly abhorrent about this context is Sotomayor's suggestion at the beginning that

      Whether born from experience or inherent physiological or cultural differences, a possibility I abhor less or discount less than my colleague Judge Cedarbaum, our gender and national origins may and will make a difference in our judging.


      Really, isn't suggesting as a very real possibility that there exist inherent physiological differences between women and minorities on the one hand and white males on the other that affect their judicial decision making almost the very definition of racism? Would anyone on the left ever allow that statement to come out of the mouth of someone whom they weren't trying to defend at all costs without pronouncing it racism and sexism of the very worst sort? If some acolyte of The Bell Curve were to make this very claim, would they not rightly be treated as a racist and sexist pariah?

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      • Author by open_mind (May 31, 2009 6:26 pm ET)
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        "Whether born from experience or inherent physiological or cultural differences, a possibility I abhor less or discount less than my colleague Judge Cedarbaum, our gender and national origins may and will make a difference in our judging." --Sotomayor

        "Really, isn't suggesting as a very real possibility that there exist inherent physiological differences between women and minorities on the one hand and white males on the other that affect their judicial decision making almost the very definition of racism?"--frankly0

        Um no. I think the "physiological" differences in the top quote refer to obvious "physiological" differences between men and women - which is not racism by any stretch. Do you think men and women share the same "physiology"? Do you believe men and women serve the exact same biological purpose? In other words, can men breastfeed and get pregnant?

        All I see Sotomayor doing is pointing out that difference leads people to approach issues differently. Hardly Earth shattering news to anyone.
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        • Author by kart_125 (May 31, 2009 8:45 pm ET)
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          I don't think anyone would say that men/women, races, etc are not different in various ways. What is racist/sexist is saying that the fact that there is a difference is neccessarily somehow a qualification. An artist may have a different view of the world but that doesn't make them qualified to be a brain surgeon, and vice versa. To say a woman or a latina is better qualified because they are a woman or a latina is racist. They may or may not have assets by virute of who they are but that's not better qualifications in and of itself. And in the case of a Supreme Court Justice who is theoretically supposed to apply the law, not fix what they might think is wrong by their ideology, it could be a liability if it interferes with an equitable, fair, just, and unbiased application of the law.
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          • Author by snoopy (June 01, 2009 12:14 pm ET)
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            So are you calling Alito a racist now? How about Clarence Thomas? By your definition, those two are clearly racist, so c'mon, lets hear you call them two racists. Then we can move on to step two, which is why are republicans knowingly appointing racists to the bench. All that tacit approval of racism when the subject is a republican can only mean the republican leadership are racists, right?
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          • Author by open_mind (June 01, 2009 2:44 pm ET)
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            I do not see where Sotomayor calls her ethinicity or gender a qualification. Where do you get that?
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          • Author by solon (June 01, 2009 4:23 pm ET)
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            But would an artist be a better judge of ART? She didnt say being hispanic would make her MORE qualified rather that being a hispanic woman would lead her to better judge racial and gender discrimination issues. So NO it isnt racist. She is talking about her exeriences leading her to better decisions that a white male just wouldnt have. NOT RACIST
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      • Author by GalaHGL (June 01, 2009 7:15 am ET)
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        This is a wonderful post frankly. Good job.

        The bottom line is simple. Our supreme court justices (and all of our judges) are charged with understanding the law and making decisions without regard to who the person is, but only how this person has violated said law. Any one who wishes to rise to the highest post in this profession should carefully temper their public comments to reflect their dedication to the law of the land and equal justice for all. There was a comment over the weekend, and I apologize for forgeting who said it and not being able to find it again, that justices shouldn't have ice water in their veins. I beleive that our philosophy of justice demands that they do. Justice is blind. Judges wear robes that symbolicly hide who they are. A person who believes that differences in background make differences in judgment misses the point of equal justice for all entirely. Such a person shouln't be a judge, let alone a supreme court justice.
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        • Author by open_mind (June 01, 2009 2:50 pm ET)
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          I think your comments are pretty naive. Of course we cannot completely divorce ourselves from our experiences. That is why there is no universal understanding of books, art, music, law, sports and science.

          Some experiences bring us more wisdom than others. This does not mean people always side with what their own experience has been. It just helps to provide a deeper insight and understanding into the nature of the situation. Of course, the law will always win out. That is not an issue that I can see with Sotomayor at this point.
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        • Author by solon (June 01, 2009 5:38 pm ET)
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          His post was terrible AND dishonest. I guess you can seriously argue that not being a victim of discrimination would make you a better judge than someone who has but again I see the silly meme that the law is like a math problem and there is no interpretation necessary in the implementation OF the law. It is silly in the extreme. When the court ruled in Miranda that the right to remain silent meant that a suspect should be TOLD of that right it was interpretative that ruling has since been upheld by a DIFFERENT court in Dickerson. It isnt all black and white. If it were there would be no NEED for a Supreme Court and yet it is MANDATED in the constitution
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          • Author by open_mind (June 01, 2009 6:24 pm ET)
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            You make a great point and I agree, but it does not even work for the right if they do view it as a math problem.

            In my experience as an engineer, I have found that in order to solve problems, it really does not do any good to have people with identical backgrounds and identical approaches to problem solving. Sometimes we do not know we are on the right track until someone sees something - as a result of their varied experiences - that nobody else sees. This has been proven repeatedly in my own observations.

            In many ways I believe Sotomayor will be an asset to the court.
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      • Author by mrhebert74 (June 01, 2009 11:02 am ET)
           
        frankly0 in a nut's hell:

        "There is nothing to suggest the claim being made by you libtards. Look at the whole paragraph; well really just the sentence before her scary quote(not the whole speech or the situation in which the speech was delivered)!

        Can you imagine the holy heck libs would unleash if Clarence Thomas or Sam Alito had said things like this?

        If some bell-curve jerk said something vaguely similar to the straw man I'm putting in Sotomayor's mouth, wouldn't that be offensive?"
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      • Author by solon (June 01, 2009 5:34 pm ET)
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        Your post pure BUNK. She talked about Brown and how not a single case of gender discrimination was upheld before 1972 then talked about how specific white male courts HAD upheld such ruling on discrimination issues. You are either lying or you dont really know what she said IN context there is no question she is talking about discrimination issues. The intellectual dishonesty of your post is breathtaking
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    • Author by pol (May 30, 2009 11:53 am ET)
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      Brian Williams led off NBC News last evening with the headline that rightwingers might have gotten some teeth into Sotomayor's nomination process because of that comment, and that the President was walking it back a bit. In the interview, Obama really did no such thing. He said Sotomayor might have wished she'd used different words, but that, in the context of the speech, her words held a totally different meaning.
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    • Author by ginnyinco (May 30, 2009 12:43 pm ET)
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      From a 4/7/09 article in Bio-Medicine Pathway to Wisdom May Be Found in Brain Circuitry

      Wisdom appears to be more than a subjective concept, it may actually be contained in certain brain circuits and pathways, suggest U.S. researchers who compiled the first-ever review of the neurobiology of wisdom.

      ....

      It's widely agreed that wisdom includes six traits: empathy, compassion, altruism, self-understanding, emotional stability and pro-social attitudes, such as a tolerance for others' values,


      We've known for decades at least, that developing those brain circuits requires exposure to a heterogeneous community. Children who grow up in all white neighborhoods and schools are not as likely to learn those traits as those who have a mixed experience. The more homogenous the community, religion, socioeconomic class, the more conformist the thinking.

      Sotomayor, like Obama, grew up in a wealth of heterogeneous environments. It adds significantly to their ability to understand other viewpoints, which they can respect without agreeing or being swayed irrationally.

      One of the wonderful photographs in Edward Steichen's The Family of Man collection, is a white male judge, in robes at his bench, with a quote I don't quite remember. It was essentially that what we need most from judges is Wisdom.
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      • Author by Conchobhar (May 30, 2009 12:59 pm ET)
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        Sounds subversive to me (heh-heh-heh).

        Great Post, Ginny. Thanks.
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      • Author by carlileb5935 (May 30, 2009 5:19 pm ET)
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        "Children who grow up in all white neighborhoods and schools are not as likely to learn those traits as those who have a mixed experience. The more homogenous the community, religion, socioeconomic class, the more conformist the thinking."

        I completely disagree with that.

        Think of all the White kids who grew up in totally white neighborhoods in the 60s and 70s. Knowledge and attitudes can come from other places-- like TV and its once-tolerant world view-- the 50s and 60s TV comedy shows were amazingly progressive and tolerant in their outlook-- Andy Griffith, Dick Van Dyke, Father Knows Best, Beaver....westerns, too. What taught kids tolerance more than Bonanza or Gunsmoke?
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        • Author by Daniel Barber (May 30, 2009 6:28 pm ET)
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          You do understand that NOTHING in the comment that "The more homogenous the community, religion, socioeconomic class, the more conformist the thinking." precludes that SOME from those classes can overcome that natural bias toward conformist thinking, right?

          Or perhaps you don't.
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        • Author by steeve (May 30, 2009 7:33 pm ET)
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          All life experience is now adequately illustrated in the Simpsons.
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      • Author by jonwisby (May 31, 2009 9:09 am ET)
           
        Thank you.
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    • Author by rrastro (May 31, 2009 7:03 am ET)
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      why should opponents read the remarks? according to solon and others on this board you have an obligation to remain silent unless you agree with sotomayor or have a bar number
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      • Author by jonwisby (May 31, 2009 9:11 am ET)
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        Thus, ignorance IS bliss.
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      • Author by mrhebert74 (May 31, 2009 11:40 am ET)
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        Yes, and what chance do the Limbaughs of the world stand against posters in the comment section of the 21,650th most popular web site on the planet? Since they're facing this repressive kind of censorship, why bother reading anything but the bible?
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      • Author by solon (June 01, 2009 4:27 pm ET)
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        You are lying. I never said any such thing what I DID say is if you are going to tell us the Supreme Court is WRONG you ought to have a degree in constitutional law. It isnt my fault you never know what you are talking about and arent very bright. Sulking and making sniping comments because you are dumb doesnt do you any good.
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    • Author by magnolialover (May 31, 2009 10:57 am ET)
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      This reminds me a lot of the whole Rev. Wright "controversy", where we had the screechmonkeys, for weeks, and now months on end, yelling about, "HOW COULD HE SIT IN THAT PEW FOR 20 YEARS AND LISTEN TO THIS GARBAGE!!!"

      Of course, the sermon they were talking about being what? 1-2 minutes out of like 20+ years of sermons is all they had? And I'm sure, they looked. Looked hard no doubt. Same thing is happening with Sotomayor. Take one little thing, out of her entire career, blow it up to enormous unfounded proportions, and let it roll, and see what sticks and what doesn't.

      Of course, taken into context, her remarks were right on the button, and meaningful.
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    • Author by shan38 (May 31, 2009 11:42 am ET)
         
      Gloria Borger is just wrong is all i got to say about it ., and my grandfather was like that and i still love him to this day , and always will , but i did not like his actions , but they were his own , my dad raised me and my brother to like all races and that is what i do , doesnt matter who you are . , my comments interpret how you like. I think it is wrong to be a racist PERIOD!
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      • Author by thelittlethings (May 31, 2009 5:19 pm ET)
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        We're not saying it's ok to be racist. We're saying she's NOT racist. So that fits with what you already believe about racism. We feel the exact same way about racism as you do.
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    • Author by kart_125 (May 31, 2009 4:18 pm ET)
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      Many statements by pundits reversing "latina" and "white" and claiming that such a candidate would be finshed were cited. Point is what? Are they wrong? Liberals would run someone out on a rail no matter how justified the hypothetically suggested comment was in context. Seems to me, these are simply statements of fact had the shoe been on the other foot and that "context" wouldn't carry any weight in that case either. Simply having made such a comment that candidate would be forced out by liberals even if the comment was "justified in context" by God himself.
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      • Author by mary59 (May 31, 2009 5:18 pm ET)
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        "Forced out by liberals"??! That's so dumb. Liberals are not some monolithic force. There are a zillion people you might label liberals just because they accept certain things and you don't.

        How about context again. If you think that white people are a persecuted minority, then you have swallowed the ridiculous rhetoric of delusional people. Reversing the remark in the context of what kind of overall theme??? This was a symposium and the theme was devoted to the experience of Latina women. She also talked of the need to go beyond one's own cultural background to render fair decisions, which you ignore in your eagerness to attack her.

        What kind of symposium theme would you imagine your remark?

        And further, her record shows that she is not ruling somehow out of a gender or racial bias. The whole issue is idiotic.
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        • Author by kart_125 (May 31, 2009 6:57 pm ET)
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          And yet you didn't even address my point. If a candidate had made the hypothetical statement with "white" and "latina" reversed, in any context, would they or would they not be finished?
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          • Author by mary59 (June 01, 2009 1:28 pm ET)
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            I did address your "point." There is no context in which remarks by a white male would be in any way equivalent. It's a bogus comparison.
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          • Author by solon (June 01, 2009 4:32 pm ET)
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            Yes she did. You are WRONG. Reversing latina and white would not BE a comparable statement in context since a WHITE person would not have the requisite experience of being on the brunt end of racism. IF a white person had said something comprable say that his experience in corporate law would lead him to make better judgements about corporations there would be no outcry. So ya got no point
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      • Author by mrhebert74 (June 01, 2009 10:34 am ET)
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        Many statements by pundits reversing "latina" and "white" and claiming that such a candidate would be finshed were cited. Point is what? Are they wrong?


        No, genius, point is that reversing racial and gender roles does not produce an equivalent situation, which means that the imagined result for a white male is irrelevant.
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    • Author by sTiVo (May 31, 2009 4:42 pm ET)
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      With all due respect:

      Media Matters is missing the boat when it demands that readers need the whole context to interpret Judge Sotomayor's remarks. They do not.

      Context is unnecessary to to the defense of Sotomayor's remarks. The 32 words do not have any offensive meaning - if people understand the English language.

      The offending sentence has not one but two subjunctives, which I have highlighted below.

      I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life.

      These constructions have the effect of "hedging" the meaning and removing all the declarative intent that Limbaugh and Gingrich et. al. insist is there. Specifically, the sentence cannot be said to mean something like this

      A wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences will more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life.

      without engaging in deliberate distortion - and the distorters know it.

      If Sotomayor's original sentence can be said to have any meaning at all, its meaning is the opposite of what her detractors allege. She'd like to hope these experiences would help her reach better decisions but she isn't asserting that they will. She's trying to inspire her audience.

      She is actually raising the bar for herself, not demanding that others lower it!
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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (June 01, 2009 1:21 am ET)
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        . The 32 words do not have any offensive meaning - if people understand the English language.

        You're absolutely right, STivo. Unfortunately,a certain percentage of our fellow Americans not only have trouble with basic comprehension, but are also easily manipulated.

        If we had a decent, responsible media, they would be doing exactly what many posters at this site are doing; pointing out, as you have done, that the spin is BS, and just for fun, mentioning on how many additional levels it's BS.
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      • Author by diogenie27611 (June 01, 2009 12:18 pm ET)
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        Unfortunately, the rhetoric of reasoned moderation is bad for radio and FNC so they atrribute a far more extreme position for her. I happen to disagree with Affirmative Action in many ways although I think "diversity" as a reason for favoring some candidates over others can be sound judgment in both hiring and college admissions. My concerns is when that diversity is tied inextricably to race and gender. Okay, so I disagree with Sotomayor on the issue but her position is hardly a radical one and it is one that several court members have held in the past. It is a position that Republicans hold when it suits their interests. Palin wasn't chosen because of her well presented ideological stance or her impressive record of accomplishments. She was chosen because the Republican party recognized the value of diversity when faced with political reality. What's amusing is how republicans can criticize A.A. on the one hand and practice it for political gain on the other. Yet, Sotomayor's support for ethnic diversity in the judiciary get critiqued as a racist, but Republican support for diversity within at least the public face of the party is seen as some sort of bold initiative.
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      • Author by ChiCat (June 01, 2009 4:53 pm ET)
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        THANK YOU!!
        Why is NO ONE mentioning this? She hopes her life experience makes her a good judge. Oh the horror! What a radical!

        Never mind that in 50 cases of alleged discrimination, she ruled against the person alleging the bias in 45 cases, because she did not find evidence of discrimination. Let's just focus on distorting 32 words in a speech from 8 years ago!
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    • Author by Rixic (May 31, 2009 5:49 pm ET)
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      In the context of the original "question" along with the subtle indication in her unassuming demure when she said "I hope" and further conferring to the "wisdom" of the past "white male" judges in handling issues regarding race and discrimination, anyone with an ensemble of intellectual honesty and innate fortitude should be able to construe and attest to the prudence of her judicious observation. But of course, such qualities are absent in the presence of zealotry and fits of ultra-partisanship.
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    • Author by freedml (May 31, 2009 6:09 pm ET)
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      Her racism is only half the story.

      In this speech, she also agrees that 'there can never be a universal definition of wise.' I suppose not if your goal is rapidly meeting quotas for race and sex in the judiciary, which she spends much of this speech lamenting the failure of happening quickly enough for her.
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      • Author by diogenie27611 (June 01, 2009 10:58 am ET)
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        Because you disagree with someone regarding their views on Affirmative Action does NOT make your ideological opponent a racist you twit! Do right wing nuts take some special joy in engaging in the same political correctness that they deplore or are they simply so hypocritical that they don't understand what they are doing?
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        • Author by thelittlethings (June 01, 2009 12:00 pm ET)
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          They oppose simply to oppose. If it were a Republican nomination or a nominee suggested by a Republican, they would be praising her. They just hate the Democratic party no matter what we do. It's sad because that shows they will ALWAYS be divisive.
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    • Author by markbfoot199 (June 01, 2009 1:10 pm ET)
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      How about they will read the comments when Harry Reid reads a bill that he signs.
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      • Author by mary59 (June 01, 2009 1:34 pm ET)
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        Very dyslexic remark, markb. I imagine it wound up in the wrong place because of liberals and their wise decisions.
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    • Author by AllanIsKing (June 01, 2009 3:24 pm ET)
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      A onetime remark does not make a person a racist
      You have to look at their court decisions and their lifetime behavior

      If you want to learn what a real racist judge is like, just google:
      "william rehnquist" racist
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