Have Sotomayor's critics actually read her Berkeley speech?
SUMMARY: Numerous media figures have pointed to a sentence from a 2001 speech by Sonia Sotomayor to characterize her or her comments as being "racist" while ignoring the point of Sotomayor's speech, which undercuts their criticisms.
Since President Obama announced the nomination of Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court, numerous media figures have pointed to a sentence from a speech she delivered in 2001 at the University of California, Berkeley, School of Law, to characterize her or her remark as being "racist." But in singling out and criticizing her for the remark -- "I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life" -- these media figures have ignored the point of Sotomayor's speech, which undercuts their criticisms. Sotomayor made the comment in question while discussing the importance of diversity on the bench and the effect of background and personal experiences on judicial decision-making, a point made by such conservatives as Justices Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas.
Those who highlight the one comment miss her broader point, which is amplified in her words immediately following the statement for which she is being criticized. From Sotomayor's 2001 speech:
Let us not forget that wise men like Oliver Wendell Holmes and Justice [Benjamin] Cardozo voted on cases which upheld both sex and race discrimination in our society. Until 1972, no Supreme Court case ever upheld the claim of a woman in a gender discrimination case. I, like Professor Carter, believe that we should not be so myopic as to believe that others of different experiences or backgrounds are incapable of understanding the values and needs of people from a different group. Many are so capable. As Judge Cedarbaum pointed out to me, nine white men on the Supreme Court in the past have done so on many occasions and on many issues including Brown.
However, to understand takes time and effort, something that not all people are willing to give. For others, their experiences limit their ability to understand the experiences of others. Other simply do not care. Hence, one must accept the proposition that a difference there will be by the presence of women and people of color on the bench. Personal experiences affect the facts that judges choose to see.
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I am reminded each day that I render decisions that affect people concretely and that I owe them constant and complete vigilance in checking my assumptions, presumptions and perspectives and ensuring that to the extent that my limited abilities and capabilities permit me, that I reevaluate them and change as circumstances and cases before me requires. I can and do aspire to be greater than the sum total of my experiences but I accept my limitations. I willingly accept that we who judge must not deny the differences resulting from experience and heritage but attempt, as the Supreme Court suggests, continuously to judge when those opinions, sympathies and prejudices are appropriate.
As is clear, Sotomayor does not talk only of the benefits she derives from her experiences; she also notes the challenge to her as a judge "to be greater than the sum total of my experiences," and "continuously to judge when those opinions, sympathies and prejudices are appropriate."
Sotomayor is not the first Supreme Court nominee to make the point that judges are influenced by their background and experiences. Indeed, conservative Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito have each acknowledged the significant impact that their personal background and experiences have had on their judicial thinking. Alito asserted during his 2006 confirmation hearing:
ALITO: I don't come from an affluent background or a privileged background. My parents were both quite poor when they were growing up.
And I know about their experiences and I didn't experience those things. I don't take credit for anything that they did or anything that they overcame.
But I think that children learn a lot from their parents and they learn from what the parents say. But I think they learn a lot more from what the parents do and from what they take from the stories of their parents lives.
And that's why I went into that in my opening statement. Because when a case comes before me involving, let's say, someone who is an immigrant -- and we get an awful lot of immigration cases and naturalization cases -- I can't help but think of my own ancestors, because it wasn't that long ago when they were in that position.
And so it's my job to apply the law. It's not my job to change the law or to bend the law to achieve any result.
But when I look at those cases, I have to say to myself, and I do say to myself, "You know, this could be your grandfather, this could be your grandmother. They were not citizens at one time, and they were people who came to this country."
When I have cases involving children, I can't help but think of my own children and think about my children being treated in the way that children may be treated in the case that's before me.
And that goes down the line. When I get a case about discrimination, I have to think about people in my own family who suffered discrimination because of their ethnic background or because of religion or because of gender. And I do take that into account. When I have a case involving someone who's been subjected to discrimination because of disability, I have to think of people who I've known and admire very greatly who've had disabilities, and I've watched them struggle to overcome the barriers that society puts up often just because it doesn't think of what it's doing -- the barriers that it puts up to them.
So those are some of the experiences that have shaped me as a person.
During his Supreme Court confirmation hearings, responding to Sen. Herb Kohl's (D-WI) question, "I'd like to ask you why you want this job?" Thomas stated in part: "I believe, Senator, that I can make a contribution, that I can bring something different to the Court, that I can walk in the shoes of the people who are affected by what the Court does."
Examples of media figures misrepresenting Sotomayor's "wise Latina" comment include:
- During the May 29 edition of Andrea Mitchell Reports, MSNBC political analyst Pat Buchanan claimed, "If Sam Alito had said, 'I think given their life's experience and the richness of it, white males will make better decisions than Latina females,' he would be out. He would be finished."
- In a May 27 post on his Twitter feed, Fox News contributor and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-GA) commented: "Imagine a judicial nominee said 'my experience as a white man makes me better than a latina woman' new racism is no better than old racism." In a subsequent post, he added: "White man racist nominee would be forced to withdraw. Latina woman racist should also withdraw."
- During the May 29 edition of Fox News' Brian and the Judge, Fox News host Chris Wallace claimed of Sotomayor's comments: "It's certainly not very smart of her to have said. And I think it's troubling. You know, it troubles me. And I think, you know, the best thing to do in any of these cases is just reverse it and say, 'How would it have been if somebody had said, you know, "A wise white judge -- white male judge would come to a better decision, a better conclusion than a Latino judge"?' You know, and of course that would be considered hate speech and just awful, and a judge would be railroaded off the bench if they said that."
- On the May 26 edition of his nationally syndicated radio program, Rush Limbaugh posed a hypothetical: "Chief Justice John Roberts, in another speech, said, 'I would hope that a wise white man, with the richness of his experience, would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a Latina female who hasn't lived the rich white man's life.' Do you think there would be any dispute that John Roberts had made a racist statement?"
- During the May 26 edition of Fox News' Special Report, Fox News contributor Charles Krauthammer said of Sotomayor: "She's a person who said in a speech that she would hope that a Latina -- wise Latina woman would have -- would come to better conclusions as a judge than a white male. I mean, imagine if you heard someone say the reverse. He'd be run out of town as a racist and a sexist."
- During the May 26 edition of Fox News' America's Newsroom, co-host Megyn Kelly described Sotomayor's remarks as "reverse racism" and said it was "[l]ike she's saying that Latina judges are obviously better than white male judges." Kelly later added, "I've looked at the entire speech that she was offering to see if that was taken out of context, and I have to tell you ... it wasn't."
- On the May 27 edition of his Fox News program, Sean Hannity asked guest Julie Menin: "This would never be tolerated by a white male. Why do you, as a liberal, accept this double standard?" Hannity twice repeated the hypothetical, asking Menin: "To use the Newt Gingrich example, 'My experience as a white man makes me better than a Latino woman.' If anybody said that, would they have any chance today of getting on the court?" He subsequently said to Menin: "If a white male said that, you liberals would be excoriating them."
- During the May 27 edition of ABC News' Good Morning America, right-wing pundit Ann Coulter called Sotomayor's comment a "racist statement."
- Pointing in part to Sotomayor's comments during the May 27 edition of The Glenn Beck Program, host Glenn Beck called her a "racist."
- During the May 26 edition of Fox News' The Live Desk, Fox News contributor Tucker Carlson claimed Sotomayor made a "racist statement."
- During the May 26 edition of his syndicated radio show, Lou Dobbs described Sotomayor's comments as "racist."
- In his May 29 syndicated column, Buchanan described Sotomayor as an "anti-white, liberal judicial activist" and went on to quote her remarks out of context. He then added: "Imagine if Sam Alito had said at Bob Jones University, 'I would hope that a wise white male with the richness of his life experience would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a Hispanic woman, who hasn't lived that life.' Alito would have been toast. No explanation, no apology would have spared him. He would have been branded for life a white bigot."
- In a May 29 column, Chicago Tribune columnist John Kass said of Sotomayor's 2001 comment: "What would happen if I began a column about the corrosive effects of government-sanctioned racism with the following idiotic idea? 'I would hope that a wise white man with the richness of his experience would more often than not reach a better conclusion than an African-American or Latino who hasn't lived that life.' If I wrote such nonsense, I'd be denounced as a racist. And President Barack Obama would never nominate me to the Supreme Court."
- On the May 26 edition of Fox News' Glenn Beck, Beck read Sotomayor's statement and asserted: "Gosh, that smacks of racism," to which Ethics and Public Policy Center president and National Review Online contributor M. Edward Whelan responded: "Well, any white male who made the equivalent of that statement would readily be indicted for racism."
- On the May 26 edition of Lou Dobbs Tonight, Dobbs asked CNN analyst Jeffrey Toobin of Sotomayor's remark: "If one were to invert those words and say that a white male with a richness of his experience would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a Latino woman, would that make him a racist and a sexist?"
- A May 27 Washington Examiner editorial, headlined "The racist jurisprudence of Sonia Sotomayor," asserted of Sotomayor's comment: "It is not hard to imagine the outcry that would greet a white male nominee who suggested that his ethnicity and experience would enable him to reach better conclusions than a minority who had lived a different sort of life. He would be dismissed as a racist, and rightly so. Is President Obama now asking that we look the other way when blatant racism comes from an Hispanic woman of otherwise solid achievement?"















Maybe. But they don't care about that. They only care that the juicy isolated quote can be presented as the sum and total of the meaning Sotomayor was trying to convey. Grey areas are not interesting or important to Sotomayor's critics. They would ask instead this question:
"Are the people likely to listen to us likely to read Sotomayor's Berkeley speech?"
Concluding "no," they have free reign to pretend she meant whatever they want her to have meant.
Prediction: if any wingnuts respond, they'll follow this formula exactly, quoting the "wise Latina" line, considering it in isolation, and saying "No two ways about it -- that's racist."
Just like they haven't found any examples of judicial activism or, for that matter, any troubling behavior, unless you count the funny name, the weird foods, speaking illegal, and menstruating.
Sotomayor's defenders are actually making things worse for her, because they are validating a "Latinas might be superior" point that she was not making at all.
They talk about "context" but they are ignorant of what the context really was. Their "context" makes it sound like Sotomayor thinks Latinas are indeed better-- and that's OK maybe, right?
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that was easy and fun to do.
No. Why? They can't read and those who can, lack basic comprehension skills.
Look, you can pretend all you want that all Sotomayor was referring to in her now infamous remarks were judicial decisions having to do with cases of discrimination. There is nothing to support that desperate attempt at excusing her remarks. I suggest that you look again at the entire paragraph in which the sentence in question arose:
There is nothing in the previous sentences to restrict the application of any of the remarks in that sentence only to cases of discrimination. The quote "a wise old man and wise old woman will reach the same conclusion in deciding cases," certainly says nothing to so restrict the meaning; indeed, it's suggesting complete generality in its application to all cases. When she quotes Minnow as saying, "there can never be a universal definition of wise," there is likewise no mention of discrimination cases, and no restriction implied.
It is purest fabrication to pretend that there's some larger context, which we should clearly understood, that excuses this sentence. To suggest that that Sotomayor really understood that context, and expected readers to understand it, is to make the claim that she is about as sloppy and careless a thinker and writer as might occupy the judiciary. Unless people have a very dim view indeed of her ability to exercise rigor in her expression, I'd think that no excuse invoking such a poorly, and only very speculatively, connected "context" is possible here.
And what I find particularly abhorrent about this context is Sotomayor's suggestion at the beginning that
Really, isn't suggesting as a very real possibility that there exist inherent physiological differences between women and minorities on the one hand and white males on the other that affect their judicial decision making almost the very definition of racism? Would anyone on the left ever allow that statement to come out of the mouth of someone whom they weren't trying to defend at all costs without pronouncing it racism and sexism of the very worst sort? If some acolyte of The Bell Curve were to make this very claim, would they not rightly be treated as a racist and sexist pariah?
"Really, isn't suggesting as a very real possibility that there exist inherent physiological differences between women and minorities on the one hand and white males on the other that affect their judicial decision making almost the very definition of racism?"--frankly0
Um no. I think the "physiological" differences in the top quote refer to obvious "physiological" differences between men and women - which is not racism by any stretch. Do you think men and women share the same "physiology"? Do you believe men and women serve the exact same biological purpose? In other words, can men breastfeed and get pregnant?
All I see Sotomayor doing is pointing out that difference leads people to approach issues differently. Hardly Earth shattering news to anyone.
The bottom line is simple. Our supreme court justices (and all of our judges) are charged with understanding the law and making decisions without regard to who the person is, but only how this person has violated said law. Any one who wishes to rise to the highest post in this profession should carefully temper their public comments to reflect their dedication to the law of the land and equal justice for all. There was a comment over the weekend, and I apologize for forgeting who said it and not being able to find it again, that justices shouldn't have ice water in their veins. I beleive that our philosophy of justice demands that they do. Justice is blind. Judges wear robes that symbolicly hide who they are. A person who believes that differences in background make differences in judgment misses the point of equal justice for all entirely. Such a person shouln't be a judge, let alone a supreme court justice.
Some experiences bring us more wisdom than others. This does not mean people always side with what their own experience has been. It just helps to provide a deeper insight and understanding into the nature of the situation. Of course, the law will always win out. That is not an issue that I can see with Sotomayor at this point.
In my experience as an engineer, I have found that in order to solve problems, it really does not do any good to have people with identical backgrounds and identical approaches to problem solving. Sometimes we do not know we are on the right track until someone sees something - as a result of their varied experiences - that nobody else sees. This has been proven repeatedly in my own observations.
In many ways I believe Sotomayor will be an asset to the court.
"There is nothing to suggest the claim being made by you libtards. Look at the whole paragraph; well really just the sentence before her scary quote(not the whole speech or the situation in which the speech was delivered)!
Can you imagine the holy heck libs would unleash if Clarence Thomas or Sam Alito had said things like this?
If some bell-curve jerk said something vaguely similar to the straw man I'm putting in Sotomayor's mouth, wouldn't that be offensive?"
We've known for decades at least, that developing those brain circuits requires exposure to a heterogeneous community. Children who grow up in all white neighborhoods and schools are not as likely to learn those traits as those who have a mixed experience. The more homogenous the community, religion, socioeconomic class, the more conformist the thinking.
Sotomayor, like Obama, grew up in a wealth of heterogeneous environments. It adds significantly to their ability to understand other viewpoints, which they can respect without agreeing or being swayed irrationally.
One of the wonderful photographs in Edward Steichen's The Family of Man collection, is a white male judge, in robes at his bench, with a quote I don't quite remember. It was essentially that what we need most from judges is Wisdom.
Great Post, Ginny. Thanks.
I completely disagree with that.
Think of all the White kids who grew up in totally white neighborhoods in the 60s and 70s. Knowledge and attitudes can come from other places-- like TV and its once-tolerant world view-- the 50s and 60s TV comedy shows were amazingly progressive and tolerant in their outlook-- Andy Griffith, Dick Van Dyke, Father Knows Best, Beaver....westerns, too. What taught kids tolerance more than Bonanza or Gunsmoke?
Or perhaps you don't.
Of course, the sermon they were talking about being what? 1-2 minutes out of like 20+ years of sermons is all they had? And I'm sure, they looked. Looked hard no doubt. Same thing is happening with Sotomayor. Take one little thing, out of her entire career, blow it up to enormous unfounded proportions, and let it roll, and see what sticks and what doesn't.
Of course, taken into context, her remarks were right on the button, and meaningful.
How about context again. If you think that white people are a persecuted minority, then you have swallowed the ridiculous rhetoric of delusional people. Reversing the remark in the context of what kind of overall theme??? This was a symposium and the theme was devoted to the experience of Latina women. She also talked of the need to go beyond one's own cultural background to render fair decisions, which you ignore in your eagerness to attack her.
What kind of symposium theme would you imagine your remark?
And further, her record shows that she is not ruling somehow out of a gender or racial bias. The whole issue is idiotic.
No, genius, point is that reversing racial and gender roles does not produce an equivalent situation, which means that the imagined result for a white male is irrelevant.
Media Matters is missing the boat when it demands that readers need the whole context to interpret Judge Sotomayor's remarks. They do not.
Context is unnecessary to to the defense of Sotomayor's remarks. The 32 words do not have any offensive meaning - if people understand the English language.
The offending sentence has not one but two subjunctives, which I have highlighted below.
These constructions have the effect of "hedging" the meaning and removing all the declarative intent that Limbaugh and Gingrich et. al. insist is there. Specifically, the sentence cannot be said to mean something like this
without engaging in deliberate distortion - and the distorters know it.
If Sotomayor's original sentence can be said to have any meaning at all, its meaning is the opposite of what her detractors allege. She'd like to hope these experiences would help her reach better decisions but she isn't asserting that they will. She's trying to inspire her audience.
She is actually raising the bar for herself, not demanding that others lower it!
You're absolutely right, STivo. Unfortunately,a certain percentage of our fellow Americans not only have trouble with basic comprehension, but are also easily manipulated.
If we had a decent, responsible media, they would be doing exactly what many posters at this site are doing; pointing out, as you have done, that the spin is BS, and just for fun, mentioning on how many additional levels it's BS.
Why is NO ONE mentioning this? She hopes her life experience makes her a good judge. Oh the horror! What a radical!
Never mind that in 50 cases of alleged discrimination, she ruled against the person alleging the bias in 45 cases, because she did not find evidence of discrimination. Let's just focus on distorting 32 words in a speech from 8 years ago!
In this speech, she also agrees that 'there can never be a universal definition of wise.' I suppose not if your goal is rapidly meeting quotas for race and sex in the judiciary, which she spends much of this speech lamenting the failure of happening quickly enough for her.
You have to look at their court decisions and their lifetime behavior
If you want to learn what a real racist judge is like, just google:
"william rehnquist" racist