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Myths and falsehoods relating to President Obama's budget proposal

April 02, 2009 8:08 am ET

SUMMARY: Following the release of President Obama's proposal for the fiscal year 2010 budget, media figures and outlets have promoted a number of myths and falsehoods related to the proposal.

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Following the release of President Obama's proposal for the fiscal year 2010 budget, media figures and outlets have promoted a number of myths and falsehoods about the proposal. These myths and falsehoods include the suggestion that Obama's proposal would increase taxes on a large percentage of small businesses and the suggestion that using reconciliation to pass major policy goals would represent an unusual or unprecedented tactic. Media have also engaged in a pattern of criticizing Obama for addressing heath care in the budget or elsewhere, given the size of the current and projected U.S. federal debt, without addressing the president's response that health-care reform is essential to the long-term economic and fiscal health of the country.

1. Obama's budget proposal would increase taxes on a large percentage of small businesses

Many media figures and outlets, including CNBC host Joe Kernen, CNBC host Maria Bartiromo, ABC News' Jake Tapper, CNN's Dana Bash, Fox News' Sean Hannity, CNN's David Gergen, Politico, the Associated Press, The Washington Post, and The New York Times, have advanced, uncritically repeated, or failed to challenge the debunked Republican falsehood that Obama's income tax proposals would increase taxes on a large percentage of small businesses. For example, Kernen didn't challenge Sen. Judd Gregg (R-NH) on the March 26 edition of CNBC's Squawk Box after Gregg referred to Obama's proposal as a "tax policy that basically is focused on raising taxes on small businesses especially."

In fact, according to the Tax Policy Center's table of 2007 tax returns that reported small-business income, 481,000 of those returns -- about 2 percent -- are in the top two income tax brackets, which include all filers with taxable incomes that would be affected by Obama's proposals to let portions of the Bush tax cuts for wealthy taxpayers expire and to reduce the tax rate at which families making more than $250,000 could take itemized deductions.

2. Using reconciliation to pass major policy goals would be an unusual or unprecedented tactic

Media figures and outlets have advanced the falsehood that the Democrats' potential implementation of the budget reconciliation process, which would allow Congress to pass "policy changes in mandatory spending (entitlements) or revenue programs (tax laws)" by a simple majority in both Houses, is unusual, unprecedented, or was not recently used by Republicans. A March 31 article in The Hill, for instance, pointed to "GOP critics" claiming that the reconciliation process "was never intended to ram through major legislation" but did not mention that Republicans used the budget reconciliation process to pass several major Bush initiatives, as The New York Times and the blog Think Progress have noted. Similarly, Fox News correspondent Molly Henneberg made the false claim on the March 27 edition of Special Report that "[r]econciliation was last used in 2001 by Republicans to pass the first Bush tax cuts" -- an "error" for which her colleague Bret Baier later "apologize[d]," noting that Republicans had in fact used reconciliation more recently. Indeed, Republicans used the process to pass Bush's initiatives throughout his tenure, including the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001, the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003, and the Tax Increase Prevention and Reconciliation Act of 2005.

Additionally, Hannity falsely claimed on March 20 that reconciliation would allow the Obama administration to pass legislation "without any Republicans even having an opportunity to vote." In fact, the budget reconciliation process does not deny Republicans or any member of Congress "an opportunity to vote." According to the House Rules Committee's description of the budget reconciliation process, the version of reconciliation legislation agreed to during the conference process is then "brought back to the full House and Senate for a vote on final passage. Approval of the conference agreement on the reconciliation legislation must be by a majority vote of both Houses."

3. Obama should not attempt health-care reform given the current and projected federal debt

Many media figures have claimed or suggested that given the size of the current and projected U.S. federal debt, the Obama administration's health-care reform proposal is untenable. For instance, Hannity said on March 26 that "Obama wants to expand government. We've got health care, unbelievable amounts of spending -- we're gonna bankrupt the country." However, in making such statements, neither Hannity nor other media figures addressed the argument Obama has repeatedly made in response to such claims: that health-care reform is essential to the long-term economic and fiscal health of the country.

For instance, during the question-and-answer session following his March 24 press conference, Obama said: "What we have to do is bend the curve on these deficit projections. And the best way for us to do that is to reduce health care costs. That's not just my opinion; that's the opinion of almost every single person who has looked at our long-term fiscal situation." Indeed, Office of Management and Budget director Peter Orszag, who formerly headed the Congressional Budget Office, said in March 4 testimony before the House Ways and Means Committee about the administration's 2010 budget that "[t]he principal driver of our Nation's long-term budget problem is rising health care costs." Orszag continued:

If costs per enrollee in our two main Federal health care programs, Medicare and Medicaid, grow at the same rate as they have for the past 40 years, those two programs will increase from about 5 percent of GDP today to about 20 percent by 2050. (As the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) and others have noted, there are reasons to expect cost growth to slow in the future relative to the past even in the absence of policy changes. But the point remains that reasonable projections of health care cost growth under current policies shows that they are the central cause of the Nation's long-term fiscal imbalance.) Many of the other factors that will play a role in determining future fiscal conditions -- including the actuarial deficit in Social Security -- pale by comparison over the long term with the impact of cost growth in the Federal government health insurance programs. Health care is the key to our Nation's fiscal future, and health care reform is entitlement reform. [emphasis added]

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    • Author by IRONY 101 (April 02, 2009 8:13 am ET)
         

      Myths and falsehoods = Republican talking points

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    • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (April 02, 2009 9:22 am ET)
         

      This really should be titled "Myths and Lies..." Calling the GOP talking points "flasehoods" is too polite. Call them what they are, lies.

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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (April 02, 2009 9:23 am ET)
           

        No one should call anything a "flasehood." That's not polite at all. "Falsehood" is what is too polite.

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    • Author by peebs755 (April 02, 2009 11:18 am ET)
         

      The right wing are the masters of projection. When I listen to rush limbaugh, all I can think is that everything he's spewing out about Liberals is what HE actually does. Its a right wing trait.

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      • Author by deeznuts (April 02, 2009 11:27 am ET)
           

        O'Reilly is also a proponent of that behavior.

        If O'Reilly bellyaches about something, it's a safe bet he does it too.

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        • Author by NiceguyEddie (April 03, 2009 8:10 am ET)
             

          Beck, Hannity and Coulter as well.  All of them hate America.  They only love the imaginary amercia that exsist in their twisted minds - and THAT'S the america that liberlas HATE: The one that these idiots want to replace the REAL one with.

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    • Author by snoopy (April 02, 2009 11:22 am ET)
         

      I just got a copy of the GOP budget proposal. Take a look...

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      • Author by deeznuts (April 02, 2009 11:38 am ET)
           

        Good one.

        High-five.

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      • Author by shaggles (April 02, 2009 12:40 pm ET)
           

        That can't be right.  I'm sure there must be something about tax cuts for rich people in there somewhere.

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      • Author by smarshall1432997 (April 02, 2009 1:24 pm ET)
           

        Snoopy,    "Great" job with copying the Republicans 2010 Budget Proposal. See, this proves how Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA) was right when he called Economics - dulled, and skipped Pres. Obama's Economic Press Conference to attend Britney Spears' Concert last week.  Hmmm.

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    • Author by wesley (April 02, 2009 12:40 pm ET)
         

      Obama and Biden both promised no tax increases for those making under $250k.

      This from the AP, titled Obama Tax Pledge Up In Smoke:

       -- The largest increase in tobacco taxes took effect despite Obama's promise not to raise taxes of any kind on families earning under $250,000 or individuals under $200,000.

      This is one tax that disproportionately affects the poor, who are more likely to smoke than the rich. --

      "I can make a firm pledge," he said in Dover, N.H., on Sept. 12. "Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes." -- Pres.Obama

      "No one making less than $250,000 under Barack Obama's plan will see one single penny of their tax raised, whether it's their capital gains tax, their income tax, investment tax, any tax." VP Biden

      Fact or myth? It sure looks like a broken promise and a fact to me.

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      • Author by shaggles (April 02, 2009 12:42 pm ET)
           

        That's a stretch.

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      • Author by achrispage6992 (April 02, 2009 12:56 pm ET)
           

        Wesley is a Neal Boortz listener. I heard the same blather from Boortz yesterday. Is it possible for conservatives to have an idea of their own or must they always rely on their talk radio masters for their talkign points?

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        • Author by wesley (April 02, 2009 1:12 pm ET)
             

          Wrong bucko...no Boortz on my radio dial...unlike you.

          In fact I listen to little talk radio or watch much cable news...and never watch the major network evening news.

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          • Author by achrispage6992 (April 02, 2009 2:57 pm ET)
               

            Well how utterly amazing. You and Neal Boortz think exactly alike, or could it be that both of you are just like Ann Coultier and repeat things you hear and read as gospel without really knowing what the h3ll you are talking about? My guess is the latter but hey, who am I to judge....right?

            Interestingly enough, your argument that taxing tobacco is taxing the poor is ridiculous. It is a tax on stupid people, it doesn't matter if they have money or not. Raising taxes on a product which will kill you and others around you as well as cost our medical industry billions upon billions of dollars is not a tax on the poor Einstein. Besides, what do you consider to be poor? How do you know that those people smoke more? Furthermore, what shoud we do Wesley? Make cigarettes free so the people you think are poor can smoke more? We sure wouldnt want to make life harder on stupid people now would we? Besides, the taxes Obama was referrring to are not ones which one has a choice in paying. If you don't want to pay the cigarette tax then don't buy cigarettes. Now can you adopt that approach with any of the other taxes he referred to? Didn't think so.  I could go on but hopefully you get the idea and understand how utterly stupid your argument is regarding this subject.

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            • Author by achrispage6992 (April 02, 2009 2:58 pm ET)
                 

              I meant to say "you" and not "both of you."

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            • Author by wesley (April 02, 2009 3:37 pm ET)
                 

               -- what do you consider to be poor? How do you know that those people smoke more? --

              You decide...you're the one identifying the lower wage earners as stupid.

              A Gallup survey polled last year found "While researchers for Gallup and the Centers for Disease Control have previously documented higher smoking rates among lower-income Americans...the likelihood of smoking generally increases as annual incomes decrease".

              They also found that only 13% of those making at least $120k/yr are smokers...nearly three times the rate of the lowest wage earners.

              This tax...signed and endorsed by Pres.Obama will affect the lower wage earners a lot more than the higher earners...and that violates the pledge of "no tax increase, not any, not one dime" for the lower earners.

              Pres.Obama...the people's champion...well anyway, that's what he claims.

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              • Author by bruce1ace (April 02, 2009 9:53 pm ET)
                   

                You are exactly correct Wesley.  I'm not going to single out Obama for possibly breaking a campaign promise with the tobacco tax increase, but as to whether or not the tax is regressive, that is an unequivocal yes.  There's no question about that.

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            • Author by commonsenseliberal (April 02, 2009 4:30 pm ET)
                 

              Pardon me, but as a smoker, I take offense at being called stupid because I choose to smoke...

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            • Author by chris_moritz316 (April 03, 2009 5:38 pm ET)
                 

              "Besides, what do you consider to be poor? How do you know that those people smoke more?"

              I think comman sense tells us that the top say 10% smokes less than the bottom 90%. Otherwise those rich folk really like their smokes.  

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        • Author by Former Democrat (April 02, 2009 7:14 pm ET)
             

          achris is a closet Boortz listener? Priceless.

          But I'm sure he was just "scrolling across the dial".

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          • Author by LuvLuLu (April 03, 2009 12:06 pm ET)
               

            He didn't say he listened to him because he agrees with him.

            I listen to Rush Limbaugh all the time, and hear him say crazy stuff, and I don't agree with Rush about hardly anything.

            You're jumping to an unfounded conclusion.

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      • Author by Koyaanisqatsi (April 02, 2009 1:14 pm ET)
           

        Wesley, That is the best argument you can post? Let us say that the county you live in decides to up the sales tax; is that Obama's fault too? Should the federal government presume that everyone making under 250K or 200K smokes cigarettes?

        Did you police Bush's broken promises with such attention to the exact wording?

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        • Author by wesley (April 02, 2009 1:50 pm ET)
             

          Nope...and never said it was the best argument. It was in the news yesterday and is simply a current topic...and it was a clear contradiction of the campaign rhetoric that helped elect Obama.

          Make under $250k...no new taxes, not any, not one dime...so sayeth Obama and then he signs the tax into law that mostly affects the lowest wage earners. There are many studies proving that point.

          County taxes blamed on Pres.Obama? That is LOL funny...but sadly the rhetoric of those ducking the issue and defending Obama at any cost...kinda like the comment below from skiploader and the clothes that Michele Obama wears.

          Reminds me of the old Heckel and Jeckel cartoon series.

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          • Author by achrispage6992 (April 02, 2009 3:02 pm ET)
               

            It is not a clear contradiction of campaign rhetoric. As I indicated above, the taxes he referred to in that speech are involuntary taxes.  A cigarette tax is a voluntary tax. You are trying to make it appear as though a tax on cigarettes is the same as the income tax. It's just not the case. You should really stop before you dig that hole your in above your head.

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            • Author by wesley (April 02, 2009 3:44 pm ET)
                 

               -- the taxes he referred to in that speech are involuntary taxes. --

              Nope...no where...no time...did Obama distinguish between involuntary and voluntary tax increases.

              His pledge of "no tax increases, not any, not one dime" had a nice ring on the campaign trail...but in the end it was just hot air politicking...business as usual when he arrived in Washington.

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              • Author by IowaDem (April 02, 2009 8:43 pm ET)
                   

                Seriously, this is the best you've got?  WOW, I mean, wow, that's is so desparate it almost makes me feel a little sorry for you Wesley.  Not really, but almost

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            • Author by Former Democrat (April 02, 2009 7:12 pm ET)
                 

              Yeah, see there Wesley, you took Barry out of context. He was talking about involuntary taxes, you should have known that. You know, even though he NEVER said the word "involuntary", YOU took him out of context.

              BTW, Wesley, only Democrats can be "taken out of context". To prove this, I challenge achrispage to admit that Rush was taken out of context when he said he wanted Obama to fail. 10 bucks says he can't do it!!

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              • Author by LuvLuLu (April 03, 2009 12:09 pm ET)
                   

                Rush wasn't taken out of context with his comment that he wanted Obama to fail. It doesn't excuse Rush to say that he 'meant' that he wants Obama's policies to fail. That's what is meant by saying he wants Obama to fail - he wants his policies to fail.

                Nothing was taken out of context.

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      • Author by skiploader1111 (April 02, 2009 1:26 pm ET)
           

        Looks like ya got him.  Wow.  Couldn't find a broken promise that ACTUALLY MATTERS or ACTUALLY DAMAGES FAMILIES.  What are you going to criticize Michelle Obama's outfits now?

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        • Author by skiploader1111 (April 02, 2009 1:53 pm ET)
             

          Looks like we have the entirety of the litany of broken promises of Barack Obama's administration right here and amounts to a grand total of 1.  And if you eliminate all broken promises that had to be lawyered to get on the list, that would be a final broken promise grand total of 0.

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      • Author by smarshall1432997 (April 02, 2009 2:45 pm ET)
           

        You know I look at the tax increases on cigarettes to be a win-win for Smokers, and "not" as some broken campaign promise from Pres. Obama and Vice Pres. Biden.   

        When Smokers "QUIT" a few things with their health improves over time i.e. heart, lungs, blood vessels, etc. etc. 

        When Smokers "Continue" to smoke their money would help pay for SCHIP (State Children's Health Insurance Program).

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        • Author by commonsenseliberal (April 02, 2009 4:32 pm ET)
             

          Sorry smarshall, but your logical argument in support of SCHIP will be lost on the rabid right-winger who posts under the 'wesley' nick.

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        • Author by Former Democrat (April 02, 2009 7:05 pm ET)
             

          This cigarette tax will eventually fail. SCHIP will need increased funding in the following years (because it's a government program), which means that the tax will continue to rise. When you tax something, you get less of it. So, as smokers quit smoking due to the increased tax, and SCHIP fails to reach it's funding goals, where is the funding going to come from? You guessed it.....income taxes.

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      • Author by NiceguyEddie (April 03, 2009 8:13 am ET)
           

        Are you really that big a dope?  SInce it's obvious to every else, but apparently lost on YOU, I'll explain: It is implied that we are talking about INCOME taxes, which are largely unavoidable.  Not 'sin taxes' which ARE largely avoidable.  (You don't want to pay the tobacco tax?  Don't smoke or chew.)  You don't want to pay income tax?  Goooood luck with that.  Let me know how that works out for you.

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    • Author by steveanders_62273 (April 02, 2009 1:46 pm ET)
         

      1)  That is an elective tax that they can choose not to pay.  2)  he is not taxing the person, he is taxing the company.  The tobacco companies could choose to not pass on the tax.

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      • Author by wesley (April 02, 2009 1:57 pm ET)
           

        Thanks for the econ101 lesson...I hadn't thought of it that way.

        Heck, lets just raise the taxes across the board on everything by about 20%...and we can all decide which ones we'll pay...while we punish those evil producers of commerce.

        Now that's what I call a stimulus package!

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        • Author by Koyaanisqatsi (April 02, 2009 2:31 pm ET)
             

          Would it not be simpler to make corporations actually pay their taxes according to their commerce in the United States, instead of allowing them to set up offshore mailboxes to avoid paying them? Steveanders two points above are entirely relevant. Your literal interpretation of Obama's words..."any tax"... would include state and local taxes, you cannot have it both ways.

          Imposing a tax on the tobacco companies does not constitute a tax hike to taxpayers.

          Corporations, particularly big ones, have a history of not paying their taxes in this nation. Rather than adopting your suggestion to  raise taxes on everything by 20%, perhaps we could start with makin corporations pay what they owe. In my lowly income bracket, I am taxed at about 30%, but I pay it. Few wealthy Americans pay the top tax rate anyway, with deductions available to them, they pay far less.

          It costs money to live in this country.

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          • Author by Former Democrat (April 02, 2009 6:57 pm ET)
               

            Corporations, particularly big ones, have a history of not paying their taxes in this nation.

            WOW!!! That's the most insightful thing I've read on this site in months. It is absolutely TRUE!! In fact, I would take it a step further and say that NO corporation, large or small, has EVER paid one solitary penny in taxes. Why? Because ALL TAX IS A PERSONAL TAX on SOMEONE. The only entity in this country that pays any tax is the individual. Once you wrap your head around that concept you will realize that any raise in any tax is aimed at some individual person. But it's all in the interest of "fairness", right?

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        • Author by achrispage6992 (April 02, 2009 3:09 pm ET)
             

          The cigarette manufactures have already increased the price of a pack of cigarettes and the tax from the government will add more to the cost. The cigarette manufactures already recouped their increased costs several weeks ago in anticipation of this increase. ON April 1st the price increased more and it wasn't because manufacturers increased the cost. Anyway, this is an elective tax on stupidity. to try to frame it as a tax increase on the general public is disingenious and it is rather sad to see you grasp at straws just so you can find another reason to hate Obama.

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          • Author by wesley (April 02, 2009 4:07 pm ET)
               

            I certainly don't hate Pres.Obama...I don't think much of his agenda...but the word "hate" is thrown around here mostly from the left...you don't here it from me.

            On the other end of the emotional spectrum of hate, I find this really funny...the blind allegiance from the left to support everything Pres.Obama proposes...after 8 years of calling the Bush supporters lemmings, ignorant and worse...for the same behavior.

            There are plenty of willing combatants from the right to take up the unyielding partisan, party first politics of "hate" arguments with you...me, I'm not interested...so knock yourself out.

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            • Author by peebs755 (April 02, 2009 4:13 pm ET)
                 

              That still doesn't change the fact that your comparing bananas to watermelons to with your tax argument.

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          • Author by bruce1ace (April 02, 2009 10:04 pm ET)
               

            Achrispage:  If you want to give Obama the benefit of the doubt on this cigarette tax increase then knock yourself out.  I think it's a decent idea myself.  But the tax is regressive, that is a fact and a denial by you isn't going to change that.  The fact that it is an elective tax doesn't change who elects to participate. 

            Inform yourself.

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    • Author by Koyaanisqatsi (April 02, 2009 6:27 pm ET)
         

      Wesley, your second reference to "blind allegiance from the left" to Obama.

      That is hardly the case.

      Obama has been taking heat from the left since before he was sworn in. In Congress for example, his budget has in no way received blanket approval from Democrats, blue dogs or otherwise.

      This in contrast to the lockstep with which Republican Congresses moved at lightning speed to approve Bush budgets. And approve them they did, ofttimes using the same senate rules to avoid the need for 60 votes that they are now screaming about.

      Leaning on that tired talking point does not cut it.

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    • Author by patrick.meister2793 (April 02, 2009 7:53 pm ET)
         

      I very recently recieved a letter from Jon Kyl Senator of Arizona on why he is against the Stimulus Bill.  The letter contained almost every falsehood and lie you have heard, even the long ago debunked ones like the high-speed train going from Disneyland to Vegas.  Kyl has no problem lying to continue his partisan politics only obstructionism while his state rots.  Now he wants a $250 billion break for the very rich.  Kyl must go. 

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      • Author by LuvLuLu (April 03, 2009 12:15 pm ET)
           

        Yeah, I saw a copy of a letter someone received from Kay Bailey Hutchinson, and it was full of nonsense too.

        She misled over the effect of putting a small amount of extra money into the hands of millions taxpayers each week, money that will be spent each and every week, so additional millions that will hit the streets and get spent rather than lump sums going into savings accounts or to pay off old debts. She claimed that it would be more stimulative to give large lump sums to small businesses, but that's just not true.

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    • Author by cArn (April 02, 2009 9:03 pm ET)
         

      PoliticoFact has rated Obama's promise of "no new taxes" on families making less than $250,000 as a compromise. Their reasoning is very even-handed (more so than the AP's) and I can't help but agree with their conclusion.

      First, they note that Obama has consistently supported increasing cigarette taxes taxes to help pay for the SCHIP program:

      "Obama has long been on record supporting the cigarette tax increase. During the campaign, Obama often said he supported legislation to expand the State Children's Health Insurance Program. At the time, that legislation was in Congress, and even then it included higher cigarette taxes. By saying he supported the SCHIP legislation, Obama was supporting the increased cigarette taxes to pay for it."

      Now, is that a contradiction of his promise not to raise taxes on most families? Not really. Just like achrispage6992 first mentioned here, PoliticoFact understands that their is a difference between sales taxes and income-based taxes:

      ...when Obama was on the campaign trail saying that "no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase," his examples were all federal income or payroll taxes. Cigarette taxes are a federal excise tax, which is a tax on goods. (Other federal excise taxes are levied on things like alcohol, gasoline and firearms.) These are not taxes that affect people based on income level, but rather based on whether they purchase certain goods. So while some families who make less than $250,000 a year will be affected by cigarette taxes, the taxes are based on their decision to buy cigarettes, not based on their income.

      Obama's campaign promise slightly deviated from his actual income tax plan thanks to "a bit of rhetorical excess". So to be completely fair, since people's taxes will go up (especially the poor) if they purchase cigarettes, the promise was given a compromise.

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    • Author by johnrod10 (April 03, 2009 4:52 am ET)
         

      I see a lot of attention being given to the cigarette tax. The cigarette tax is peanuts compared to the cap and trade legislation that is in the bill. The cigarette tax only affects a portion of the population, C and T will affect everybody.

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    • Author by Koyaanisqatsi (April 03, 2009 9:10 am ET)
         

      If you believe no corporation is ever pays a tax because it ultimately flows to an individual. By reason then, so must the liability for that corporations criminal  or negligent actions. On the big business scale, how often do you see that happening? Exxon Valdez Anyone?

      Corporations are artificial persons created for tax purposes. Your argument does not wash.

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    • Author by chris_moritz316 (April 03, 2009 5:45 pm ET)
         

      Just a question. Isnt this tax going to be used to help uninsured children? Doesnt anyone see the probelm here? Insuring children is important so we devise a tax for it. Problem is that same tax is there to prevent people from smoking. No one smoking equals less tax revenue. How are the kids getting the money for insurance again?  

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    • Author by whyputaname (April 04, 2009 3:40 am ET)
         

      Well now that I know the truth, that the Republicans had in fact used reconciliation more recently and indeed use the process to pass Bush’s initiatives throughout his tenure.

      It is shocking that they would lie like that, and to think they are having a meltdown over it, I am laughing at the intellect that they are showing now…LOL

      Ya know Rightwingers you better come up with something good, I don’t see you people getting anywhere in the next 10 yrs.

      Well I hear that Newt is ready to jump ship because the Right can’t seem to get there act together!

      Yell all you want, problem is no one is listening!

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