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CNN's Bash cited McCain's Afghanistan plan as "proof" that he knows "how to win wars"

July 17, 2008 5:01 pm ET

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SUMMARY: On Lou Dobbs Tonight, Dana Bash asserted that Sen. John McCain's proposal to send more troops to Afghanistan offered "proof" -- in the form of what Bash said was "a new proposal for Afghanistan" -- that McCain "know[s] how to win wars." Bash did not explain how this "proposal" constituted proof that McCain "know[s] how to win wars."

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On the July 15 edition of Lou Dobbs Tonight, CNN congressional correspondent Dana Bash asserted that McCain's proposal to send more troops to Afghanistan, made in a July 15 speech, offered "proof" -- in the form of what Bash said was "a new proposal for Afghanistan" -- that McCain "know[s] how to win wars." Bash did not explain how this "proposal" constituted proof that McCain "know[s] how to win wars."

Nor did Bash report that McCain later reportedly clarified his remarks, saying, in the words of Washington Post reporter Juliet Eilperin, that he "might call on NATO to supply part of the additional troops he hopes to send to the region."

Bash reported of McCain's speech:

McCain would send three more brigades to Afghanistan, called for a doubling of the Afghan Army to 160,000 troops, and said a unified military commander must be in charge of all forces there. But this was as much about slamming Barack Obama's war plans as presenting his own. Obama wants to take troops out of Iraq and send them to Afghanistan.

From Eilperin's July 15 entry on the Post's blog The Trail:

In an interview with reporters aboard his campaign bus, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) modified his assertion today that the U.S. could send three additional brigades to Afghanistan by drawing on troops that were leaving Iraq.

The presumptive GOP nominee, who made his initial remarks in a speech before an Albuquerque audience, told reporters just minutes after the event that he might call on NATO to supply part of the additional troops he hopes to send to the region.

"We need to work that out, we need to have greater participation from our NATO allies, and we need a lot more help from our NATO allies," the senator said. "We need to -- I laid it out in my speech, we need to have strategy, not just an injection of troops. I think that's true of all counterinsurgencies."

Our NATO allies, he added, can provide manpower as well as other resources to help assure victory in Afghanistan.

From the July 15 edition of CNN's Lou Dobbs Tonight:

DOBBS: Well, Senator McCain strongly criticized Senator Obama's speech. McCain declaring sending more troops to Afghanistan by itself is not enough to achieve victory. McCain presented a new strategy for Afghanistan based on the principles behind the surge in Iraq. Dana Bash has our report from Washington.

[begin video clip]

McCAIN: The next president will inherit a situation in Iraq in which America --

BASH: Experience is his calling card, and on a day both candidates talked national security, John McCain laid this down as a basic test:

McCAIN: I know how to win wars. I know how to win wars. If I'm elected president --

BASH: He offered proof: a new proposal for Afghanistan, where violence has spiked.

McCAIN: And I'll turn around the war in Afghanistan just as we have turned around the war in Iraq with a comprehensive strategy for victory.

BASH: McCain was an early supporter of the military surge in Iraq, which he repeatedly tells voters is working. He said he would apply those lessons to Afghanistan, more troops and a better strategy for how to use them.

McCAIN: A nationwide civil military campaign that is focused on providing security for the population. Today, no such integrated plan exists. When I'm commander in chief, it will.

BASH: Specifically, McCain would send three more brigades to Afghanistan, called for a doubling of the Afghan Army to 160,000 troops, and said a unified military commander must be in charge of all forces there. But this was as much about slamming Barack Obama's war plans as presenting his own. Obama wants to take troops out of Iraq and send them to Afghanistan.

McCAIN: Senator Obama will tell you we can't win in Afghanistan without losing in Iraq. In fact, he has it exactly backwards. It is precisely the success of the surge in Iraq that shows us the way to succeed in Afghanistan.

BASH: He mocked Obama for outlining his plan for Afghanistan before ever visiting the country.

McCAIN: Fact-finding missions usually work best the other way around. First you assess the facts on the ground, then you present a new strategy.

[end video clip]

BASH: Later on his bus, McCain continued to hit Obama on his national security credentials. McCain reminded reporters that Obama is chairman of the Senate committee that oversees NATO, which has command in Afghanistan, but Obama has never held a hearing. Lou.

DOBBS: Nor has Senator Obama ever been to Afghanistan. Dana, thank you very much. Dana Bash from Washington.

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    • Author by magnolialover (July 17, 2008 5:05 pm ET)
         
      Yikes. Yeah, we need more troops because we removed the ones that were there originally to go and destroy Iraq. If we had done the job proper in Afghanistan the first time, we wouldn't need more troops. Where is Johnny "warmonger" McCain going to get more troops anyway? We're about fresh out. Start a draft, and then we'll see what happens.
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      • Author by snoopy (July 17, 2008 6:20 pm ET)
           
        Oh, we have about 3 brigades worth of republicans about to lose their jobs at capitol hill. Perhaps McCain can recruit them?
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    • Author by Kyle_Broflovski (July 17, 2008 5:06 pm ET)
         

      McCain's Afghanistan plan - you mean the one he stole from Obama?  The only difference between Obama's and McCain's proposals, is that McCain has no idea where he'd get the extra troops to send over to Afghanistan.

      Unless of course, McCain wants to re-instate the draft?  That's a surefire way to win the war!

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      • Author by magnolialover (July 17, 2008 5:09 pm ET)
           

        The draft is a surefire way to get us to stop the wars.

        We should have locked down Afghanistan a long time ago, but unfortunately, we let the Taliban reconstitute, and now we're paying the price for that. Apparently, we didn't learn much from the Soviet's defeat in Afghanistan in the 80's, and we didn't learn how resiliant a people the Afghanis could be, or where, or are I should say. Iraq and Afghanistan are going to be going on for a long long long time.

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    • Author by clams casino (July 17, 2008 5:14 pm ET)
         
      I love the telling contrast between the footage of McCain's speech vs. the footage of Obama's speech. The two-minute segment is packed with McCain soundbytes, but when they show Obama's speech, the cameraman actually has him framed so that his head is hidden behind a pane of glass, and his voice is muffled beyond comprehension.
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    • Author by shaggles (July 17, 2008 5:30 pm ET)
         
      And he'll do it all while cutting taxes, balancing the budget and without a draft.  Then he'll walk on water all the way to Pakistan, find Osama bin Laden and kill him with his bare hands.
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    • Author by neondesert (July 17, 2008 5:46 pm ET)
         

      McCAIN: A nationwide civil military campaign that is focused on providing security for the population.

      Someone correct me if I'm wrong...Wasn't that called "the Taliban"?

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    • Author by IRONY 101 (July 17, 2008 5:46 pm ET)
         
      Exactly how many wars has John McCain won? The Civil War? World War I? WW II? Was McCain ever a general? An admiral? Please tell me how you learn to win wars sitting in a Virtnamese POW camp for almost six years.
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      • Author by neondesert (July 17, 2008 5:50 pm ET)
           
        Well, you have to give him credit on his experience, at least.  When it comes to winning wars, he now rules out getting shot down as a possible strategy.  Obama hasn't yet learned that lesson...
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      • Author by steeve (July 17, 2008 6:15 pm ET)
           
        Winning a war is extremely easy.

        1) Make sure you're fighting a war that needs to be fought. (Corollary - keep politics out of it.)

        2) Let your generals win it their way.
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    • Author by tjlabs (July 17, 2008 5:48 pm ET)
         
      Dana Bash is just one of many CNN "reporters" who are unaBASHedly pro MCCain. So thiis comes as no surprise to me.
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    • Author by tman418 (July 17, 2008 6:15 pm ET)
         
      McCain's plan is just like Obama's, yet Obama is less-experienced? I think it would have done MMFA good to point this out.
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    • Author by Semiauto (July 17, 2008 6:19 pm ET)
         

      I almost missed it, but at the end Bash said "McCain reminded reporters that Obama is chairman of the Senate committee that oversees NATO, which has command in Afghanistan, but Obama has never held a hearing. Lou."

      Isn't this yet another talking point that has been debunked several times? He oversees NATO in Europe right?

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    • Author by mrmike15426 (July 17, 2008 8:22 pm ET)
         

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      McSame doesn't even know that Czechoslovakia no longer exists! 

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    • Author by laughinglefty (July 17, 2008 8:35 pm ET)
         
      All this shows is that McCain can adopt Obama's platform and the Corporate Media will give him credit for it.
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    • Author by Romario (July 17, 2008 11:09 pm ET)
         

      Newsflash: McCain has attended ZERO Afghanistan hearings in the last 2 years, but of course, Dana Bash didn't report THAT, now did she?

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/17/mccain-attended-zero-afgh_n_113452.html

       And McCain knows how to win wars? WTF???

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      • Author by WildBill81 (July 18, 2008 4:07 pm ET)
           

        True, but McCain has visited Afghanistan on a fact finding mission.  Obviously, these hearings are of no value to someone who knows how to win a war.  It's pretty obvious that to know how to implement a strategy to win a war, you have to travel on a fact finding mission, where you can see the enemy's tactics first hand, count the number of enemies, talk to the local population (to get a feel of the political climate on the ground), and experience combat against the insurgents, so you know exactly how to fight them.  Don't even try to tell me that on his fact finding missions McCain is simply at a well protected base (in-country albeit) visiting with the same 3 and 4 star generals that fly in to address the Afghanistan hearing anyway . . . That would imply that the only value to visiting the war zones is to campaign to the troops, and maybe boost their morale a little.

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    • Author by sambo (July 18, 2008 7:12 am ET)
         

        Does John McSame have any experience in preventing wars? especially    on countries that are not a threat to us

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      • Author by jawill11 (July 18, 2008 8:03 am ET)
           
        Of course, you can't win wars if you don't wage them.  He needs to wage as many wars as possible to prove that he can win them.  
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    • Author by eniobob2631 (July 18, 2008 9:01 am ET)
         

      Who made dobbs the know all and do all guy?

      This guy is so full of himself he starts bubbiling out of his shirt collar,you know like hot water boiling in a pot,except in his case its air not water.

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    • Author by roundhouse (July 18, 2008 11:55 am ET)
         
      I want a president who knows how to end wars.

      I want a president who doesn't need wars, or terrorist attacks, to bolster his poll numbers.
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    • Author by eweston8542983 (July 18, 2008 12:08 pm ET)
         

      Think the song was "I want a new drug." Heuy Lewis and the News?

      I want a new shrub!

      One that won't cause a hives outbreak.

      One that won't make my brain feel three feet thick.

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