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Matthews: "I personally don't see how" Clinton "loses at all running as the woman candidate"

January 13, 2008 6:58 pm ET
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SUMMARY: Chris Matthews -- who previously claimed that "the reason" Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton "may be a front-runner" in the Democratic presidential primaries "is her husband messed around" -- appeared to offer another reason when he said: "I personally don't see how she loses at all running as the woman candidate." He added, "Most Democratic voters are women."

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On the January 13 edition of the NBC-syndicated Chris Matthews Show, host Chris Matthews appeared to offer another reason for his view of where Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (NY) stands in the Democratic primary when he said: "I personally don't see how she loses at all running as the woman candidate." He added, "Most Democratic voters are women." Several days earlier, on the January 9 edition of MSNBC's Morning Joe, Matthews said of Clinton: "Let's not forget -- and I'll be brutal -- the reason she's a U.S. senator, the reason she's a candidate for president, the reason she may be a front-runner is her husband messed around. That's how she got to be senator from New York. We keep forgetting it. She didn't win there on her merit. She won because everybody felt, 'My God, this woman stood up under humiliation,' right? That's what happened."

Matthews' comment that "I personally don't see how she loses at all running as the woman candidate" came in response to panelist and National Public Radio host Michele Norris' statement that Clinton may be able to reach out to voters "[w]hen she talks about breaking those glass ceilings and starts trying to connect with other women, who have felt that, who have, you know, butted their head and their shoulders up against those glass ceilings." Norris continued: "[T]hat may be a real opportunity to say, 'You know what, I understand what it's like.' "

From the January 13 edition of the NBC-syndicated Chris Matthews Show:

NORRIS: She has an opportunity right now, if you look at the way that so many women said that they responded to that moment where she showed some emotion and they saw something different. When she talks about breaking those glass ceilings and starts trying to connect with other women, who have felt that, who have, you know, butted their head and their shoulders up against those glass ceilings, that may be a real opportunity to say, "You know what, I understand what it's like."

MATTHEWS: I personally don't see how she loses at all running as the woman candidate. Most Democratic voters are women.

GLORIA BORGER (CNN senior political analyst): Well, she's now talking it about being a woman, and in that last debate she said, "Look, guys, I embody change. I'm a woman. He's not the only person who looks like change. I look like change." But I think Hillary Clinton has a really difficult problem here because as a woman candidate, she bent over backwards to show us how tough she was. Don't forget, this is a woman we've been watching for more than a decade. We think we know who she is already. OK? So she bent over backwards to show us how tough she is, and now she's going the other way to show us how likable she is. "Oh, you hurt my feelings." That was a brilliant line.

MATTHEWS: Wait a minute. Are you suggesting contrivance?

BORGER: Oh, you think? A little bit.

MATTHEWS: No, I'm wondering. I don't think it was contrived. Do you?

BORGER: I think the tearing up was absolutely real, but now I think we're at a point where this is contrivance, because it works for her, and I'm not saying that in a bad way.

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    • Author by draftedin68 (January 13, 2008 7:10 pm ET)
         

      "Most Democratic voters..."

      ...are whatever Tweety imagines them to be on any given day.

      Chris, when you pull your facts outta your ass, you better watch out for paper cuts.

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      • Author by snoopy (January 13, 2008 7:22 pm ET)
           
        So if most democrats are women, that must mean most republicans are men. We can say for sure most republicans are @ssholes, so by definition most men are also @ssholes, which explains why most men can't get laid whenever they want, and by definition means most republicans can't get laid whenever they want, which finally proves my point that republicans like Larry Craig aren't just an anomoly!
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      • Author by wolfbato (January 14, 2008 12:46 pm ET)
           
        I urge everybody to take Matthews off your DVR/TIVO and let MSNBC know you are doing this. Hurt him where it hurts ... his ratings. Let's get rid of this Fascist ... once and for all.
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        • Author by dbeden4153 (January 14, 2008 1:04 pm ET)
             
          I never had him on my DVR, but still...calling him a fascist is a bit much. Should we guide you to the savage thread and the really long discussion of what exactly constitutes "fascism"?
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      • Author by tommy (January 14, 2008 1:24 pm ET)
           
        What Matthews is saying is probably correct, he is implying that there is a gender bias in favor of Hillary during the Democratic primaries, there certainly could be, or not?.....the fact is that many people will vote against Hillary simply because she is woman, while many will vote for her for the same reason.........sadly, many people do vote for reasons other than issues/competence/etc. And it is not a stretch to say her gender vote, for or against, may end up being a wash.
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    • Author by Clevenative (January 13, 2008 7:19 pm ET)
         
      If this is the worst that came out of his weekly Sunday show, I'd have to start wondering if someone at NBC hasn't finally sat Chris down and had a little talk with him about his recent blatant Hillary-bashing, exaggerations, and lies?
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    • Author by mefirst (January 13, 2008 7:51 pm ET)
         
      i like how matthews knows for a fact that she did not get elected to the senate "on her merit".  it was because she "stood up under humiliation, that's what happened".   as for the "crying" thing, how many times have we seen big tough pro athletes all but weeping.  a couple years ago when a reporter asked green bay quarterback brett favre about retiring, he started blubbering like a baby.  not that i care, but the idea that she isn't "tough" because she teared up is ridiculous. 
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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (January 13, 2008 8:51 pm ET)
         
      and i used to like mr Mathews, at one time a really long time ago. he has to be on some kind of medication to change so quickly from analytical thinker to a shrilly mouthpiece.
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      • Author by Clevenative (January 13, 2008 9:52 pm ET)
           
        “As a young man Matthews supported Barry Goldwater, but was inspired to become a Democrat by Eugene McCarthy's pro-civil rights and anti-Vietnam war platforms” (from Wikopedia). I think he bailed the Democrats again sometime during the Clinton presidency and is back on the Republican bandwagon ever since.

        In 2000, he said Al Gore, “would lick the bathroom floor to be president” and “doesn’t look like one of us. He doesn’t seem very American, even.” By 2004 he was buying into the whole “gay marriage” (non)issue, and that alone was enough to have him against the Democratic ticket - and now the thought of a women as president has him near the edge. We might see him back again as a Democrat if Obama gets elected.

        He now claims to be an “independent” voter – but I have a better word, “confused”. The man has been riding a political roller coaster all his life, has some sort of psychosis regarding “powerful women” and “militant gays”, and yet thinks he is somehow qualified to lead Americans on the straight and narrow politically.

        He recently wrote a book on success that John Steward called "a recipe for sadness" in which his main message as a prescription for success is, kiss a lot of ass. After 10 years of his own show (for which success must have his lips blistered by now), his head has swollen to the point that last week he challenged Barbara Walters to a showdown of knowledge of political history on the game show Jeopardy (really).

        I suppose it’s all just part of the American political pundit legacy – From Rush Limbaugh to Glenn Beck to Michael Savage to Don Imus to Bill O’Reilly to…. There’s not many of them who you can’t help scratchin’ your head thinking, “how did he get there”?
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    • Author by juliajayne (January 13, 2008 9:05 pm ET)
         

      So Hillary runs as a girl

      Chrissy says with a courtsey and twirl

      Her pearls are to die for!

      Her Jimmy Choos to sigh for!

      So for Prez, women'll give her a whirl?

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      • Author by snoopy (January 13, 2008 9:47 pm ET)
           
        Chris Matthews has stoically been hintin'

        He's got issues with a woman named Clinton.

        He hems and he haws

        about if she's got balls

        and when she shows them he commences to spittin'
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        • Author by mary59 (January 14, 2008 1:17 am ET)
             
          There once was a man-child named Chrissy,

          Thoughts of Clintons just made him real pissy

          He made comments so rude,

          snarky, weird, vile and crude

          That his show should be named Oddball Sissy.
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    • Author by JLyons (January 13, 2008 10:00 pm ET)
         
      Chris Matthews is losing it, there is something wrong with the brain.
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      • Author by jeter2 (January 14, 2008 12:01 am ET)
           
        The following video of Jon Stewart discussing Chris Matthews is priceless. I'm sure many of you may have already seen this, but for those that haven't, here's a warning...don't drink or eat anything while watching you're apt to choke on it from laughing so hard ;-)



        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/10/stewart-vs-matthews-roun_n_80941.html
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        • Author by Sueelldd (January 14, 2008 11:03 am ET)
             
          I agree with you guys, Matthews is on complete melt down when it comes to Hillary. I normally have had tolerance for him but his comments on her last week are sexist, no if and or buts about it.
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    • Author by onionhead (January 13, 2008 10:37 pm ET)
         

      "The woman candidate"

      Is that her new campaign slogan?

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    • Author by atheist (January 13, 2008 11:11 pm ET)
         
      Since when do Democratic women all vote the same way ?  Maybe I just missed the "You're a woman, here's how you're going to vote" memo ????
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    • Author by gg (January 14, 2008 12:21 am ET)
         
      "Most Democratic voters are women". I think he meant most women vote Democratic which is slightly different. But for Chrissy the real issue is how did Hillary beat his favorite boy toy Rudy, ( I know Rudy "pulled out" because of health issues) that is what he can't understand or get past. Maybe "liberal"New Yorkers didn't like seeing the Gov. being kicked out of Gracie Mansion by wife #2. It kills Tweeety that Bill and Hill are still together. Hey, to be honest I don't get it either.
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    • Author by lapsedlawyer (January 14, 2008 3:51 am ET)
         
      Funny, all I hear when Matthews speaks is, "Oink!"
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    • Author by snoopy (January 14, 2008 11:42 am ET)
         

      This is OT, but too damn true to ignore! Got this off of a poster named zimzam at thinkprogress.org:

      Rightoric: The same inane message with new words inserted daily to convey thoughts and actions the speaker has no intention of practicing.

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    • Author by donovanlc8528 (January 14, 2008 11:43 am ET)
         

      #1.  Mathews is correct when he states most Dems are women.  His comments relate to the nomination and not the general election.

      #2.  If you read his explanation for the remarks regarding HRC's being where she is because of Bill's outside activities, Mathews is simpling placing her in a proper historical context. 

      #3.  I have done a substantial amount of polling for the Dems., and the most common reason women gave for supporting HRC was "it's time for a woman to be president." 

      #4.  Back in Iowa, HRC said, "you have to question his (Obama's) character and integrity."  This from a woman whose husband "didn't inhale", never "had sex" with that woman, had numerous questions raised regarding his campaign finances, and WAS IMPEACHED!  Can you spell "audacity"?

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    • Author by anotheramerican (January 14, 2008 2:29 pm ET)
         
      Hillary is a woman? 
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    • Author by greekfurnace (January 14, 2008 4:53 pm ET)
         

      Umm... last time I checked she IS the woman candidate. I understand Matthew's wink-wink nonsense...but, come on! This is the level? This is the discourse?

      Do these guys EVER talk about what the candidates stand for??? Ever?? That would be too difficult. Especially in comparison to the Republicans, who have basically no political platform to speak of... That is, except "more of the same".  That's worked out very well for all of us (well, the bottom 99.9% of us).  I've said it all along... but, Matthews is a real chump.

      I can't wait to see who accepts Bush's endorsement... any takers?? Anyone? Bueller?  

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      • Author by atheist (January 15, 2008 12:55 pm ET)
           
        To talk about how the candidates stand on real issues would require EFFORT in the form of RESEARCH. They're too lazy to do that. Much easier to criticize someone's voice or attire, or regurgitate or further excise excised quotes from some other media outlet.
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    • Author by donovanlc8528 (January 14, 2008 4:53 pm ET)
         

      When I read the moronic, ego-driven posts defending HRC and her lying, cheating spouse I am reminded that America also voted for Bush twice.  Talk about give me a break!

      If Hillary wins the nomination (she WILL LOSE the general election by the way)  I am planning to move my wife and five children out of this country.  Many will say good ridance and call me unpatriotic, but unlike Slick Willy, I fought for my country in Vietnam.  Our nation used to have a soul, but now it's just corporate greed and fear-mongering and divisiveness - not what I want for my children.

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    • Author by Nick307 (January 14, 2008 6:04 pm ET)
         

      Don't get me wrong, Matthews is really getting carried away with the Hillary-bashing and is really tarnishing an already questionable journalistic reputation.

      My only question is, why is Media Matters, the self-proclaimed "progressive research and information center" so concerned with how Hillary Clinton is treated in the media? MMFA has 39 pieces on Hillary Clinton since December 20, 2007. Am I missing something? Did Hillary become a progressive while I wasn't looking?

      I understand some people out there like Hillary and want to defend her against unjust attacks. I have no problem with that. But Hillary is really no more of a progressive than Mike Huckabee or John McCain, but you don't see MMFA defending those guys. I just think it's getting tiresome to see MMFA repeatedly come to the aid of a candidate that doesn't share their progressive ideals. 

      Now if MMFA wants to call themselves a "moderate research and information center," then that's fine with me. Then they can defend Hillary to infinity for all I care.

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      • Author by MiddleLeft (January 14, 2008 6:36 pm ET)
           
        Now if MMFA wants to call themselves a "moderate research and information center," then that's fine with me. Then they can defend Hillary to infinity for all I care.

        They don't need your permission. You are disputing an adjective and possibly confusing it with the mission.

        "dedicated to ......correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media."

        It matters not who is defended. It could be a liberal, moderate, progressive, or independent,.... Those attacked most by conservative misinformation will inherently be helped more often.

        Frankly I think the MMFA sensitivities are fairly progressive, even though Hillary isn't.
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