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Syndicated columnist Mackenzie falsely claimed Obama was educated in a "madrassa school"

January 11, 2008 4:54 pm ET

SUMMARY: In a column posted on Townhall.com, Ross Mackenzie wrote that Sen. Barack Obama "must grow beyond offering the sum of his experience in foreign policy as his madrassa school years in Indonesia and a visit or two to his grandmother in Africa." In fact, the claim that Obama was educated in a "madrassa" has been thoroughly debunked by numerous news organizations.

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In a January 10 column posted on the conservative website Townhall.com, nationally syndicated columnist Ross Mackenzie wrote that Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) "must grow beyond offering the sum of his experience in foreign policy as his madrassa school years in Indonesia and a visit or two to his grandmother in Africa." In fact, the false claim that Obama was educated in a "madrassa" -- which the conservative website InsightMag.com first reported in January 2007 -- has been thoroughly debunked by numerous news organizations.

For example, CNN reported on January 23, 2007: "Allegations that Sen. Barack Obama was educated in a radical Muslim school known as a 'madrassa' are not accurate," citing a report by CNN correspondent John Vause, who visited the school in question. Vause stated in his January 22, 2007, report that he's "been to madrassas in Pakistan, and this school is nothing like that." The Associated Press reported on January 24, 2007, that "[i]nterviews by The Associated Press at the elementary school in Jakarta found that it's a public and secular institution that has been open to students of all faiths since before the White House hopeful attended in the late 1960s." And ABC News reported on January 25, 2007, that the school was a "normal government public school without even a hint of the extremist elements reported by various conservative news outlets."

Additionally, contrary to Mackenzie's claim that Obama has been "offering" his "madrassa school years" as evidence of his "experience in foreign policy," Obama has not said that he was educated in a "madrassa school" -- again, the assertion that he was is false -- and he has affirmatively denied it when asked. A statement released by Obama's Senate office on January 23, 2007, stated: "[T]he Indonesian school Obama attended in Jakarta is a public school that is not and never has been a Madrassa."

Mackenzie is a former editorial page editor at the Richmond Times-Dispatch in Virginia, now retired. His column is nationally syndicated by Tribune Media Services and appears on Sundays in the Times-Dispatch.

From Mackenzie's January 10 column:

Obama must grow beyond offering the sum of his experience in foreign policy as his madrassa school years in Indonesia and a visit or two to his grandmother in Africa. The very-nice Sen. Obama also needs to grow beyond enlisting recruits such as the very-nice Oprah Winfrey, who says nonsensical things on his behalf, such as: "You can't be fooled by this experience question because you know it's not the amount of time you spend with your child, it's the quality of that time."

Obama must grow beyond statements such as this, too:

"What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income -- to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression. That's what I'm opposed to -- a dumb war."

Obama and Clinton might productively style themselves after John McCain -- a certifiable grown-up. He believes global warming is less important right now, and less susceptible to human remedy, than global terror -- and boasts abundant experience in terrorism and national security: "I know how to handle the issues. I've been there."

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    • Author by JLyons (January 11, 2008 5:07 pm ET)
         
      Wow these people say a lie once and it expands like a snowball. When will they stop? townhall.com obviously does not care.
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    • Author by snoopy (January 11, 2008 5:09 pm ET)
         
      What was Bush's foreign experience again? A video of "European Vacation", right? Didn't seem to matter then, did it?

      And I'm go*d*dam*ned tired of this lie coming back again and again. Can't someone just sue these lying jerks already?
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      • Author by captfoster2 (January 11, 2008 10:58 pm ET)
           
        I thought this was covered months ago?

        These sleezeball 'reporters' are getting so desperate to make their 'kingpins' happy that they will keep bringing up thoroughly debunked crap like this and act like its some new revelation.....

        Guess Bush was right when he said that you must keep repeating the propaganda in order for it to sink in, least the truth get in the way!
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    • Author by solonswine (January 11, 2008 5:10 pm ET)
         
      Obama WAS educated in a madrassa, duh. "Madrassa" is the arabic word for any kind of "school". There is no implication in this article that he went to a radical muslim school. "Madrassa" means "school". No more, no less. So to say that he was educated in a "madrassa" is FACTUALLY correct. No misinformation here. Next.
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      • Author by magnolialover (January 11, 2008 5:19 pm ET)
           
        Way to be disingenuous at best, and just ignorant of what they're trying to get at when they do say Obama was educated in a madrassa. You know, and I know, that these right wingers are trying to put the fear of Islam into people if they vote for Obama. Oh no, he was educated in a madrassa. The word madrassa does indeed mean school, but in this day, and this age, and in America, the word madrassa conjures up evil Wahhabism and religious fundamentalism, which is normally taught in madrassas in, yes, Saudi Arabia, our good friend.
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        • Author by solonswine (January 11, 2008 5:24 pm ET)
             
          Look, I can't help that the word is so "offensive" to you, but you said it yourself. Madrassa simply means school. No religious implication, no mention of "terrorist training camp". FACTUALLY, the word translates to "school". That's it. So there is no misinformation in this particular article. I can't see why MMFHRC (who loves to deal with "facts") won't take 2 seconds to find the definition of the word "madrassa".
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          • Author by friedbergboy1422 (January 11, 2008 5:41 pm ET)
               
            SW,

            If she simply is using the word "madrassa" to mean school, why did she put the word school after it? Does that make sense to do?

            If she had simply said he went to a madrassa and not a madrassa school, I might be able to see your point.
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            • Author by solonswine (January 11, 2008 5:44 pm ET)
                 
              Because she's not very smart, that's clearly evident. Intelligent people who are willing to do a minimal amount of research know the literal definition of the word and it means nothing. Idiots take offense to it.
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              • Author by friedbergboy1422 (January 11, 2008 6:05 pm ET)
                   
                SW,

                Your explanation makes exactly no sense. You are honestly trying to claim that Townhall.com and its editors are being duplicative and saying, with your interpretation added,

                "Obama must grow beyond offering the sum of his experience in foreign policy as his school school years in Indonesia and a visit or two to his grandmother in Africa."

                So, which is it, SW: 1) The editors and writers at townhall.com are so idiotic that they find this to be a good sentence grammatically or 2) An attempt by people who like to parse words, speak in code and smear, using the word "madrassa" as an adjective?

                Which is it? Your explanation of saying that if he didn't go to madrassa he didn't go to school falls apart rather quickly, doesn't it?
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                • Author by solonswine (January 11, 2008 6:11 pm ET)
                     
                  Perhaps they're using the word to get the uneducated riled up. Smart people aren't affected by the word.
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                  • Author by friedbergboy1422 (January 11, 2008 6:20 pm ET)
                       
                    So, you are basically saying its an unnecessary bilingual typo? Gotcha. Do they repeat key words in different languages a lot over there at townhall.com to "rile people up" or do they just do that when talking about Democratic politicians?
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                  • Author by solon (January 11, 2008 8:48 pm ET)
                       
                    How would YOU know what smart people do or know. You dont qualify. If you DID then you would know that in common English usage it takes on a different meaning. One that MacKenzie obviously wanted to portray or he just would have said SCHOOL since I assume he was speaking English not Arabic.
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          • Author by solon (January 11, 2008 8:44 pm ET)
               
            What you cant help is that you dont know what you are talking about in ENGLISH it is taken to mean MORE than school and I am pretty sure the Weinerdog was speaking ENGLISH
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          • Author by solon (January 11, 2008 8:46 pm ET)
               
            OOOPS I mean Mackenzie
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          • Author by flakcatcher (January 11, 2008 9:08 pm ET)
               
            Alert! Alert! Let's not forget that, under solonswine's definition of the term, Romney went to a madrassa in Utah!
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      • Author by solon (January 11, 2008 8:43 pm ET)
           
        You are not being accurate. Words are not concepts in the same way that maps are not territory. While in ARABIC madrassa means school, in English the word means something a bit different. Words dont always translate directly in a word for word convienient fashion

        http://www.thefreedictionary.com/madrassah

        ma·dras·sah also ma·dra·sa (m-dräs) or me·dre·se (-drs)

        n. Islam

        A building or group of buildings used for teaching Islamic theology and religious law, typically including a mosque.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrasah

        Madrasah (Arabic: مدرسة, madrasa pl. madāris) is the Arabic word for any type of school, secular or religious (of any religion). It has been loaned into various other languages. It is variously transliterated as madrasah, madarasaa, medresa, madrassa, etc. In common English usage the word "madrasah" has been taken to refer to an Islamic religious school.[1]

        Now since the INSANE Weinerdog was speaking ENGLISH not Arabic. I would say the common english usage is the one that is relevant to YES it is misinformation. He could have said school in Islamic Indonesia. He chose to say madrassa BECAUSE of the connatation it has in English or he would have said a school in Indonesia. So basically YOU are wrong.
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        • Author by philib (January 12, 2008 4:09 pm ET)
             
          I think I would tend to believe 'freedictionary', since wikipedia is not a dictionary. Rather, it is a compelation of input by individuals. Individuals have been known to be wrong, so without independant verification, freedictionary would be more factual.

          merrien-webster states: ": a Muslim school, college, or university that is often part of a mosque "

          To use the word 'radical' would purely be inflection by whoever says it that way. Similar to if he went to a Christian school and then assume he is being taught 'radical' Christianity, don't you think?
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          • Author by friedbergboy1422 (January 13, 2008 1:49 pm ET)
               
            Phil,

            If you buy the explanation that the author used the word simply to mean school, why does he have a sentence that conatins the phrase "school school" do you think its an adjective or a noun in the article?
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          • Author by solon (January 13, 2008 4:58 pm ET)
               
            You make a decent point but it doesnt address the point I was trying to make. The school Obama went to was NOT a religious school. It did NOT teach Islamic theology nor was it part of a Mosque. Whatever connotations you want to give it, they are worthless unless they are the connotations of the COMMON ENGLISH USAGE. So SS was blowing smoke with his weak attempt at a point. I only used

            Wiki because it came up next when I googled.
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            • Author by philib (January 13, 2008 6:21 pm ET)
                 
              "The school Obama went to was NOT a religious school. It did NOT teach Islamic theology nor was it part of a Mosque."

              Well, Obama went to the school about 40 years ago, right? Do we really know what was taught? I mean, can we say with 'absolute certainty' what was being taught 40 years ago in that school?
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              • Author by friedbergboy1422 (January 14, 2008 11:49 am ET)
                   
                Phil,

                The school administrators who were interviewed certainly didn't think it was a radical school 40 years ago. You're right, we can't be sure what was taught there when Obama was in school. But if you think that his education 40 years ago in a school like this is an issue, do you believe that McCain and the Republicans who were educated in segregated schools could have been taught racism? After all, there were no minorities in their schools and we don't know what was taught in them do we?
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              • Author by solon (January 14, 2008 1:23 pm ET)
                   
                Since the claim was made by the RIGHT it is THEIR obligation to cough up the PROOF its true. Making an accusation then calling on the other side to prove its NOT true is a dishonest argument. The guy who RAN the school said as much. The available evidence says it was NOT a religious school. If YOU have evidence it Islamic theology WAS taught then cough it up. Until then we are on solid ground taking at his word the guy who ran the school and DENY it was a Madrassah, at least as the word is used in common English.
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      • Author by pete592 (January 11, 2008 10:29 pm ET)
           
        SWINE: ""Madrassa" is the arabic word for any kind of "school". There is no implication in this article that he went to a radical muslim school."

        IF THERE IS NO IMPLICATION, WHY USE THE ARABIC WORD? WHY DON'T THEY USE 'ESCUELA' , 'SCHULE', OR JUST PLAIN 'SCHOOL'?

        YOU ARE IGNORANT.
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      • Author by captfoster2 (January 12, 2008 9:33 am ET)
           
        Ok SWINE.....

        You want to play that game......

        Lets presume for a moment that what you say is correct and Mackenzie didn't mean he was schooled in 'Muslim thinking' at a madrassa but simply at a madrassa (that, as you say, simply means 'school' in Arabic).....

        Ok then, with that said..... Since in Arabic the word for God is Allah, Allah must simply mean only God, just in another language and not some other form of or a lesser God, as Christians like to claim! Which has been part of the problem between Muslims and Christians for over 2000 years.

        This is the problem here, you may be correct or I may be correct but regardless, when a 'reporter' reports a story the way he did, it comes off as: Barack Obama was schooled in a madrassa that taught him the ways of Islam and not simply that he went to an Arabic school!

        The average Joe watching likely won't be able to put 2+2 together, mainly because, it wasn't spoken the way you are attempting to defend it.....

        You may have pointed that out in here but this guys job WAS to point out that difference on TV, that, we should all be able to agree on, was something he should have done!

        Unless of course his intention was to spew debunked propaganda intentionally as fact and your attempt to defend is weak indeed!

        Don't ya agree?
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        • Author by captfoster2 (January 12, 2008 11:45 am ET)
             
          I meant: too have pointed out the difference in the column not on TV.
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      • Author by wzwriter (January 14, 2008 10:38 am ET)
           
        Then blame the imbeciles on your side of the aisle, Solonswine. As this excerpt from Wikipedia shows, it's people on the right who have advanced the mininterpretation of "madrassa" as a tool to advance their paranoid, self-serving, anti-Islamic agenda:

        In the English-speaking Western world, the word Madrasah has come increasingly to signify radical Quranic schools connected to Islamist movements, although this — as is made clear above — is far from the meaning of the word. The word madrasah literally means "school" and does not imply a political or even religious affiliation. To say islamic school in arabic the term madrasa islamia is used. For religious school, the term madrasa deeneya is used. A private school is called madrasa ghasa.

        Nevertheless, the Yale Center for the Study of Globalization investigated bias in United States newspaper coverage of Pakistan since the September 11, 2001 attacks, and found the term to carry a loaded political meaning:

        "When articles mentioned 'madrassas,' readers were led to infer that all schools so-named are anti-American, anti-Western, pro-terrorist centers having less to do with teaching basic literacy and more to do with political indoctrination."

        Additionally, the term has also been used this way by various American public figures, including Newt Gingrich, Donald Rumsfeld, and Colin Powell.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrasah
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    • Author by Sueelldd (January 11, 2008 5:16 pm ET)
         
      I do not undersand these people. The guy is a christian and he did not go to a Madrassa. Why do they lie?
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      • Author by solonswine (January 11, 2008 5:18 pm ET)
           
        Again, he went to a madrassa. Madrassa means school. To say that he didn't go to a madrassa is saying that he didn't go to school.
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        • Author by JLyons (January 11, 2008 5:22 pm ET)
             
          Please do not lie.
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          • Author by solonswine (January 11, 2008 5:30 pm ET)
               
            Ahem, and I quote:

            "In the English-speaking Western world, the word "Madrasah" has come increasingly to signify radical Quranic schools connected to Islamist movements, although this — as is made clear above — is far from the only meaning of the word. The word madrasah literally means "school" and does not imply a political or even religious affiliation."

            So, by true definition of the word, there is no lying going on here. Obama did, in FACT, go to a madrassa.
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            • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 11, 2008 5:49 pm ET)
                 
              Right. So when the following was written;

              "must grow beyond offering the sum of his experience in foreign policy as his madrassa school years in Indonesia and a visit or two to his grandmother in Africa."

              They really meant;

              "must grow beyond offering the sum of his experience in foreign policy as his school school years in Indonesia and a visit or two to his grandmother in Africa." ?

              Would they report he attended an "ecole" if he was educated in a french speaking country? I'm guessing not. The sole reason for using "madrassa" is to scare the bed wetters.
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              • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (January 11, 2008 5:57 pm ET)
                   
                Republican frontrunner George W Bush is being roasted in the US media after he flunked a pop quiz during a radio interview with WHDH-TV in Boston on Wednesday. The Texas Governor was asked if he could name the leaders of Chechnya, Taiwan, India and Pakistan, all of which have been in the headlines in the US lately.

                He got one - partially - by hazarding that the President of Taiwan was "Lee" (the correct answer would be Lee Teng-hui).

                HOW'S THAT FOR FOREIGN POLICY EXPERIENCE!
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        • Author by friedbergboy1422 (January 11, 2008 5:52 pm ET)
             
          I'll ask you again, if she just is using madrassa to mean school, why use it in the same sentence? She is saying (in translation), "Barack Obama went to a school school." She obviously meant something more than the literal translation or is she a fan of all of those old Little Caesar's commercials (Pizza! Pizza!)?
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          • Author by solonswine (January 11, 2008 6:03 pm ET)
               
            She's either a moron or she's trying to get the uninformed all stirred up, and judging by the responses on this website, I'd say the latter is true. Educated people aren't affected by the word.
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            • Author by solon (January 11, 2008 8:53 pm ET)
                 
              Nah, morons who want to appologize for other morons throwing red meat to their listeners want to PRETEND that what the common usage of the word in English MEANS isnt what MacKenzie meant even though it WAS English being spoken. Had Mac only meant school he would have said SCHOOL. No one here is dumb enough to buy your stupid attempt at a whitewash. We ALL know what was being said. Spin till you make your dryer jealous, it wont change a thing.
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              • Author by foghornleghorn (January 12, 2008 9:42 am ET)
                   
                Remember, you can't make a silk purse out of solonswine's ignorance.
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            • Author by wzwriter (January 14, 2008 10:41 am ET)
                 
              Educated people aren't affected by the word.

              What do YOU know about educated people, Solonswine?
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    • Author by MoonbatYouBet (January 11, 2008 5:27 pm ET)
         
      The whole madrassa thing is the tiniest of lies in this flaming piece of garbage writing. It's hard to pinpoint exactly where any facts in the column might be.

      Obama offering his childhood experiences as examples of his foreign policy experience? Um, can't remember that happening.

      Recruiting Oprah into his campaign a dumb move? Yeah, why would anyone want one of the most seriously influential celebrities on their side?

      Calling Iraq a dumb war being a bad thing to say? The evidence is pretty much in on that one, now we just need to figure out how to fix this tragic and stupid mistake.

      How nice and refreshing to have a columnist that wants to talk about hard issues. Oh wait, that didn't happen either.
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    • Author by Clevenative (January 11, 2008 6:09 pm ET)
         
      Nice try SOLONSWINE… In common English usage the word "madrasah" has been taken to refer to an Islamic religious school.

      Using your fuzzy logic, it can be said that I got my education in a shul, the Yiddish term for school – even though I went to parochial school. Anyone who heard this would then assume I had a Jewish education.

      This is EXACTLY what Mackenzie, and now YOU, are trying to do. You should BOTH be ashamed of yourselves!
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      • Author by solonswine (January 11, 2008 6:12 pm ET)
           
        See what I mean about getting the uneducated stirred up?
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        • Author by Clevenative (January 11, 2008 6:58 pm ET)
             
          Education and logic are two different things - pull out your dictionary. You may have one, but are sorely lacking in the other (the more important one).
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        • Author by solon (January 11, 2008 8:55 pm ET)
             
          No but we see the lengths some morons will go to appologize for OTHER morons just to keep the propaganda alive
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      • Author by friedbergboy1422 (January 11, 2008 6:23 pm ET)
           
        No, PJ, to write like the author did you would have gone to a "shul school." If you have the logic of SW, if you went to school in Spain you would have gone to a "escuela school."

        After all, there is no conontation beyond madrassa meaning school for the fearful masses who flock to townhall.com is there? (sarcasm)
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      • Author by solon (January 11, 2008 8:54 pm ET)
           
        EXACTLY
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    • Author by eweston8542983 (January 11, 2008 6:21 pm ET)
         
      SS the term madrassa did not exsist when Obama went to school. Don't let that stop you though.
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    • Author by friedbergboy1422 (January 11, 2008 6:25 pm ET)
         
      No, I don't see how the uneducated are all riled up, you seem rather calm ;).
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    • Author by solonswine (January 11, 2008 6:36 pm ET)
         
      Ahhh, you people are fun. I rest my case. Madrassa means school. Only morons think otherwise. To use the term "madrassa school" literally means "school school". It's redundant, yeah. Much like the term "stupid liberal". But it gets the mouth-breathers all steamed under the collar, so it's kind of funny, too. Just look at the posts on this thread. My advice to anyone who is "outraged" by the word madrassa is this: Either read the definition of the word so that you feeeeeeel better about it or; leave some extra money in the budget for Kleenex, cause you'll have many more opportunities to cry about this word over the next few months.
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      • Author by johnny_nyc8351 (January 11, 2008 6:56 pm ET)
           
        From the morons at American Heritage Dictionary:

        ma·dra·sah also ma·dra·sa or ma·dras·sah (mə-drä'sə) Pronunciation Key

        n. Islam A building or group of buildings used for teaching Islamic theology and religious law, typically including a mosque.

        From the morons at Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) -

        ma·dra·sah [muh-dras-uh] Pronunciation Key

        –noun Islam. a school or college, esp. a school attached to a mosque where young men study theology.

        Sorry, Obama didn't go to a religious muslim school.
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        • Author by solonswine (January 11, 2008 7:05 pm ET)
             
          But you've only cited the Islamic use of the word, haven't you? The word is NOT exclusive to Islam. The word's origin is Arabic, from darasa, which means "to study". There are no political or religious implications attached to the literal translation of the word. that is a FACT, my friend.

          fact /fækt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[fakt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

          –noun 1. something that actually exists; reality; truth:
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          • Author by friedbergboy1422 (January 11, 2008 7:13 pm ET)
               
            Why didn't you repeat the key words in a different language?
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          • Author by johnny_nyc8351 (January 11, 2008 8:01 pm ET)
               
            Because it's not important what it means in Arabic.

            What's important is how Americans understand the word.

            Consequently I stand by two dictionaries as sources.

            And that's the fakts.
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          • Author by solon (January 11, 2008 9:00 pm ET)
               
            Whatever it means in ARABIC. What it means when said in English that is the common English usage is what is relevant unless MacKenzie was speaking ARABIC.
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      • Author by Clevenative (January 11, 2008 7:38 pm ET)
           
        Your not getting away with it that easy SS. I thought I'd shut you up with my last post. You want to get back to that post and respond to it rather than just make some stupid disparaging comment about my education?

        I'll break this down in two parts...

        1st From Wikipedia for "Madrasah"



        Ulugh Beg Madrasa, Samarkand, ca. 1912Madrasah (Arabic: مدرسة, madrasa pl. madāris) is the Arabic word for any type of school, secular or religious (of any religion). It has been loaned into various other languages. It is variously transliterated as madrasah, madarasaa, medresa, madrassa, etc. In common English usage the word "madrasah" has been taken to refer to an Islamic religious school.[1]

        2ndFrom Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary... shul

        Main Entry: shul

        Pronunciation: \ˈshu̇l\

        Function: noun

        Etymology: Yiddish, school, synagogue, from Middle High German schuol school

        Date: 1771

        : synagogue

        So again using Mackenzie's and your logic relating to word origins or meanings in other languages, it could very well be said that I (or even Obama) went to a shul - the exact same logic that your using to say that Obama went to a madrassa.

        However we don't speak Yiddish or Arabic in the United States - so both examples are just plain WRONG. I didn't go to a synagogue and Obama didn't go to a madrassa - PERIOD.

        Am I missing something or do you just not like the fact that term "madrassa school" is being used - (The term you find to be redundant nouns)?. That's a quote from Mackenzie, not me. If you'd open your super-intelligent brain here, maybe you'd realize that in the term "madrassa school" the word "madrassa" is being used as an adjective to further describe the type of school (that it WASN'T).

        I'm listening....
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        • Author by solonswine (January 11, 2008 8:19 pm ET)
             
          I'll post this again, in hopes that you'll read it and absorb it......

          There are no political or religious implications attached to the literal translation of the word. It simply translates to "school".

          Those who fail to understand this very simple concept are the ones who object to it's use. Those who DO understand it are not affected.
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          • Author by Clevenative (January 11, 2008 8:57 pm ET)
               
            OK, just for fun, I'll accept your "literal translation" part of the argument. So you ARE saying that Mackenzie, the guy you are supporting, simply said Obama went to a “school school”??? Then he would really be as ignorant as your whole argument is sounding.

            He used the term “madrassa school”, just as MMFA quotes in the story title – and he did this specifically to imply that Obama went to an “Islamic religious school” as is the meaning for the common English usage for the word "madrasah". This is a lie – he gets busted by MMFA – and you lose your argument based on the big picture. You can fire back anything you want, but the facts are the facts – and I won’t waste any more of my time trying to get you to see the light.
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          • Author by solon (January 11, 2008 9:04 pm ET)
               
            Let US try again. We get you are incredibly stupid but we are liberals. We dont give up on even the intellectually challenged. The word was said in ENGLISH. The English common usage is what is important. If school was all that was meant the word SCHOOL woud have been used. The word madrassah was used because of its connotations in common ENGLISH USAGE. So YES there is a political connotation when said in ENGLISH. Try to keep up. This kindergarten refresher tutalage is tedious.
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      • Author by solon (January 11, 2008 8:58 pm ET)
           
        Ah morons like you are SOOOO stupid. The lengths you will go to pretend up is down are precious. What is really cute is how you can be SO stupid and SO condescending at the same time. We all know what was being said. None of your ignorant attempts at spin, as amusing as they are, will change the facts. Keep trying though. Your moronic inanity is certainly entertaining.
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    • Author by coldluz357 (January 11, 2008 6:42 pm ET)
         
      So, Solonswine, you went to a 'Madrassa'? If so, did all the Republicans go to 'Madrassas' as well?
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Phone calls, emails and letters from the public do make a difference. Remember that to be effective you must be polite, and professional. Express your specific concerns regarding that particular news report or commentary, and indicate what you would like the media outlet to do differently in the future.

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