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In editorial attacking Gen. Clark, Arkansas Democrat-Gazette misrepresented Limbaugh "phony soldiers" controversy

October 16, 2007 2:23 pm ET

SUMMARY: In an editorial, the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette attacked Wesley Clark for "wading into the muddy thick" of the controversy surrounding Rush Limbaugh's characterization of service members who advocate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq as "phony soldiers," saying that Clark had "adopted" Limbaugh's "vociferous style" and made him "look dignified." However, in doing so, the editorial misrepresented the context of Limbaugh's remarks and the controversy that ensued.

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In an October 12 editorial, the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette attacked retired Gen. Wesley Clark for "wading into the muddy thick" of the controversy surrounding Rush Limbaugh's characterization -- made on the September 26 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show and noted by Media Matters for America -- of service members who advocate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq as "phony soldiers." The editorial argued that Clark had "adopted" Limbaugh's "vociferous style" and made Limbaugh "look dignified," adding that it reduced Clark to "just another fourth-rate polemicist." The editorial argued that Clark had "adopted" Limbaugh's "vociferous style," and made Limbaugh "look dignified," adding that it reduced Clark to "just another fourth-rate polemicist." However, in attacking Clark, the Democrat-Gazette also misrepresented the context of Limbaugh's remarks and the controversy that ensued.

The editorial was later posted on TownHall.com October 15 under columnist Paul Greenberg's byline. Greenberg is the editorial page editor of the Democrat-Gazette.

The editorial falsely suggested that Limbaugh had, on the same day that he made his controversial comment, discussed Jesse MacBeth before making his "phony soldiers" remark. MacBeth pleaded guilty to one count of making false statements to the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs for pretending to be an injured Iraq war veteran. Further, the editorial did not note that Limbaugh: made inconsistent claims about what he meant by his comment; spliced the audio of his original remarks without disclosing his editing; expanded his list of "phony soldiers" to include Rep. John P. Murtha (D-PA); and stated that wounded Iraq veteran Brian McGough, who appeared in an ad criticizing Limbaugh's comments, was "pumped ... full of" lies by those who "strap[ed] those lies to his belt, sending him out via the media in a TV ad to walk into as many people as he can walk into."

The editorial (as reproduced on Townhall.com) described the controversy as follows:

Rush Limbaugh's style may be the essence of vulgarity, but even the vulgar can be smeared. It happened this way: On his Morning Update, a kind of daily communique for true believers, Mr. Limbaugh had gone after one Jesse MacBeth, one of those celebrated anti-war soldiers who turned out to be anti-factual. (It's a wonder The New Republic didn't sign him up as a regular contributor, a la its fact-challenged Scott Thomas Beauchamp.)

But leave it to El Rushbo to tell the story in his own imitable style: "Recently Jesse MacBeth, the poster boy for the anti-war left, had his day in court. He was sentenced to five months in jail (and) three years' probation for falsifying a Department of Veterans Affairs claim; his Army discharge record, too. Yes, Jesse MacBeth was in the Army. Briefly. Fourty-four days. Before he washed out of boot camp. MacBeth is not an Army Ranger; he is not a corporal; he never won the Purple Heart; he was never in combat to witness the horrors he claimed to have seen."

One of Rush's dittoheads soon called in to complain that the Biased Media "never talk to real soldiers. They pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and sound off to the media." That's when The Mouth of the Right blurted out -- "the phony soldiers."

Uh oh. An anti-war group, Media Matters, seized upon that plural like a bird of prey on a shiny jewel, and used it to contend that Mr. Limbaugh had smeared "service members who advocate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq." Whereupon the Rush said it was clear he was referring only to Jesse MacBeth and his like.

Well, it wasn't clear to Media Matters. The left was shocked -- shocked! This is how the rhetorical game is played. The point isn't to debate principles or policies but to play Gotcha.

However, in its assertion about what "happened," the editorial falsely suggested that Limbaugh's "Morning Update" about MacBeth occurred on the same day that "[o]ne of Rush's dittoheads ... called in to complain that the Biased Media 'never talk to real soldiers'. " In fact, as Media Matters has documented, Limbaugh's "Morning Update" discussing MacBeth aired on September 25, the day before a caller stated that "[t]hey like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media." As Media Matters documented, Limbaugh did not mention MacBeth on his September 26 broadcast until 1 minute, 50 seconds after making his "phony soldiers" comment.

Moreover, in asserting that Limbaugh claimed "it was clear he was referring only to the likes of Jesse MacBeth" in response to Media Matters' original item, the editorial ignored Limbaugh's inconsistencies in explaining his comment. First, on September 28, Limbaugh claimed that rather than speaking generally of soldiers who support withdrawal, he was "talking about one soldier with that 'phony soldier' comment." Later in the program, he asserted, "[E]verybody involved in this knows full well I was talking about one genuine, convicted, lying, fake soldier," referring to MacBeth. During the same broadcast, a caller asked, "But you did say 'soldiers' in plural, though, didn't you?" Limbaugh replied: "Yes, because there have been a number of these people, but they were not active duty -- I was not talking about anti-war, active duty troops. I was talking about people who've been exposed as frauds who never served in Iraq but claimed to have seen all these atrocities."

Limbaugh repeated this explanation on his October 2 program, describing MacBeth as "the man I was referring to and others like him as 'phony soldiers.' " However, this explanation is inconsistent with his earlier statements from the September 28 show that he had been talking about "one soldier." Indeed, the transcript (subscription required) of the September 28 broadcast that is posted on Limbaugh's website shows him asserting: "I was talking about one soldier with that phony soldier comment, Jesse MacBeth [emphasis in original]."

Additionally, on September 28, Limbaugh purported to air the "entire" September 26 segment in which he referred to "phony soldiers" to prove that "Media Matters ... selectively choose[s] what they want to make their point." In fact, the clip he aired omitted a full 1 minute and 35 seconds of the 1 minute and 50 second discussion that occurred between Limbaugh's "phony soldiers" comment and his reference to MacBeth. Prior to airing the edited clip, Limbaugh said: "Here is, it runs about 3 minutes and 13 seconds, the entire transcript, in context, that led to this so-called controversy." Limbaugh stated afterward: "That was the transcript from yesterday's program, talking about one phony soldier. The truth for the left is fiction that serves their purpose, which is exactly the way the website Media Matters generated this story."

Limbaugh also later expanded his list of "phony soldiers" to include Murtha, stating:

LIMBAUGH: I was talking about a genuine phony soldier. And by the way, Jesse MacBeth's not the only one. How about this guy Scott Thomas who was writing fraudulent, phony things in The New Republic about atrocities he saw that never happened? How about Jack Murtha blanketly accepting the notion that Marines at Haditha engaged in wanton murder of innocent children and civilians?

On October 2, Limbaugh responded to an advertisement by VoteVets.org, in which McGough tells Limbaugh, "Until you have the guts to call me a 'phony soldier' to my face, stop telling lies about my service." Limbaugh said of the ad: "[T]his is such a blatant use of a valiant combat veteran, lying to him about what I said, then strapping those lies to his belt, sending him out via the media in a TV ad to walk into as many people as he can walk into." Several media outlets noted Limbaugh's comments, reporting that Limbaugh compared or likened McGough to a suicide bomber, including the Los Angeles Times, The New York Times, and ABCNews.com. Further, FoxNews.com reported that "Limbaugh decried the ad by the group that he linked to MoveOn.org, figuratively saying VoteVets is treating McGough like a suicide bomber."

On his October 4 radio show, Limbaugh asserted that he "didn't call" McGough "a suicide bomber," and said he was "grateful" for McGough's service.

The entirety of the October 12 editorial is reprinted below, as it appeared on Townhall.com on October 15:

Some of us can vaguely remember a time when Wesley Clark was going to be the next Eisenhower -- a general above the fray, a former supreme commander of NATO who had met the great challenges of his time, someone who would Bring Us Together, lift the tone of national politics, a champion of unity above the usual divisive politics, The Nation's Hope, and all the rest of the nominating speech.

But that was long ago in another country, and, besides, that Wesley Clark is no more -- if he was ever real. His appeal as a presidential candidate peaked the moment he announced back in 2003, if not before, and it steadily deteriorated with every roundhouse swing he took and missed. Sad.

The general's big mistake? Instead of proving a different kind of candidate, he became just another partisan of the louder, less enduring sort. Instead of remaining above the fray, he waded into the muddy thick of it. Instead of bringing us together, he seemed intent on driving us further apart. Soon his was just one more rasping voice in the off-key chorus of presidential also-rans.

Now he's down there among the Michael Moore/Bill O'Reilly bottom-feeders. Impervious to the lessons of his last failed campaign, General Clark is now fighting it out in a kind of two-falls-out-of-three exhibition match against Rush Limbaugh. That's right: El Rushbo himself, The Mouth, the idol of the dittoheads; in short, the very personification of high-decibel, low-fact talk radio.

Not only is General Clark taking the Rush on, he's adopted The Mouth's vociferous style. Maybe it'll get him a job in the next Clinton administration -- the kind of slot reserved for the hacks who do the dirty work in a presidential campaign.

Rush Limbaugh's style may be the essence of vulgarity, but even the vulgar can be smeared. It happened this way: On his Morning Update, a kind of daily communique for true believers, Mr. Limbaugh had gone after one Jesse MacBeth, one of those celebrated anti-war soldiers who turned out to be anti-factual. (It's a wonder The New Republic didn't sign him up as a regular contributor, a la its fact-challenged Scott Thomas Beauchamp.)

But leave it to El Rushbo to tell the story in his own imitable style: "Recently Jesse MacBeth, the poster boy for the anti-war left, had his day in court. He was sentenced to five months in jail (and) three years' probation for falsifying a Department of Veterans Affairs claim; his Army discharge record, too. Yes, Jesse MacBeth was in the Army. Briefly. Fourty-four days. Before he washed out of boot camp. MacBeth is not an Army Ranger; he is not a corporal; he never won the Purple Heart; he was never in combat to witness the horrors he claimed to have seen."

One of Rush's dittoheads soon called in to complain that the Biased Media "never talk to real soldiers. They pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and sound off to the media." That's when The Mouth of the Right blurted out -- "the phony soldiers."

Uh oh. An anti-war group, Media Matters, seized upon that plural like a bird of prey on a shiny jewel, and used it to contend that Mr. Limbaugh had smeared "service members who advocate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq." Whereupon the Rush said it was clear he was referring only to Jesse MacBeth and his like.

Well, it wasn't clear to Media Matters. The left was shocked -- shocked! This is how the rhetorical game is played. The point isn't to debate principles or policies but to play Gotcha.

Besides, the Dems in the Senate needed a cause to get outraged over after MoveOn.org - the GOP's best foil -- had embarrassed them by its attack on General Petraeus/Betray-Us. The backlash had hurt.

Soon enough, Wesley Clark was claiming that Rush Limbaugh had "labeled any American soldier who supports an end to the war in Iraq as 'phony.' " Any soldier. Goodness. Talk about word games, even the president and commander-in-chief could be said to support "an end to the war in Iraq" -- if on his own victorious terms.

And now General Clark's own Web site, WesPac, its logo ablaze with four stars, is asking folks to ban Rush from Armed Forces Radio: "Click here to hold Rush Limbaugh accountable for his offensive and outrageous comments - tell your members of Congress to take Rush off Armed Forces radio today!" (bold in original).

The bold-faced and underlined type pretty well sums up the tone of General Clark's appeal: cheap but flashy. The general's rhetorical style is but a print version of Rush's own deep-throated roar over the air. And the "principle" he's asserting in this rhetorical rasslin' match is the oldest and unfairest: If you can't beat 'em, shut 'em up.

How's that for a lesson in freedom of speech and The American Way? In the event there's any doubt about what General Clark is up to, his Web site carries a less than flattering picture of El Rushbo -- complete with stogie -- imprinted with the demand: DUMP RUSH. The whole Web site is the mod, Internetted equivalent of the old, cheaply mimeographed hand-outs, replete with all-caps and exclamation points, that used to be popular only in the lower reaches of American sub-politics. It looks the way Rush Limbaugh sounds.

And so the muddy battle of quote, counter-quote, and counter-counter-quote rages on - to diminishing interest. It's hard now to recall that better time when Wesley Clark was going to restore dignity to American politics, not destroy what's left of it. But once the political bug hits, it can rage out of control even in generals. Maybe especially in generals. But who says Wesley Clark can't accomplish the impossible? He's made Rush Limbaugh -- Rush Limbaugh! -- look dignified.

Who's right and who's wrong in this screeching catfight? Answer: Does it matter? A better question would be: Who has followed his code? Rush is, was, and surely will remain a tabloid type with a capital T. He has stayed true to his loud calling. What disappoints about Wesley Clark is that he has not acted as the officer and gentleman he is, but as just another fourth-rate polemicist. How the mighty have fallen. Yes, sad.

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    • Author by foghornleghorn (October 16, 2007 2:36 pm ET)
         

      The point isn't to debate principles or policies but to play Gotcha

      No, the point is to tell the truth

      Let's see, Wesley Clark is a decorated soldier.  I'll believe him.

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      • Author by billiybobjones7678 (October 16, 2007 3:51 pm ET)
           

        Many of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth were decorated military soldiers who served bravely and honorable in Vietnam.

         

        I believe them. 

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        • Author by foghornleghorn (October 16, 2007 4:55 pm ET)
             

          By saying you believe a bunch of discredited, debunked LIARS, you have shown your true colors.  You'll believe any garbage that goes along with your ideology, no matter how much it is proven to be a LIE.

          Clark vs. Rush - I'll believe Clark.

          Kerry vs. Swift Boat Liars - I'll believe Kerry, especially after the TRUTH came out.

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          • Author by kozakid1769 (October 16, 2007 5:00 pm ET)
               

            It's interesting how the liberals here attack those who served, especially in an item in which MMFA falsely claims Limbaugh attacked those who have served in Iraq.

            The SBVT was made up of 360+ Vietnam veterans with dozens of Purple Hearts, Bronze Stars and Silver Stars. One of their top supporters is a Medal of Honor recipient. In addition, the SBVT members, unlike Kerry, served their full tours in Vietnam.

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            • Author by foghornleghorn (October 16, 2007 5:14 pm ET)
                 

              Repeat after me:  the Swift Boaters, no matter how many you say there were, are LIARS.  Their claims have proven, that right, PROVEN, to be LIES.

              So you're saying you believe LIARS.  That's probably why you support this administration, given that it's chock full of LIARS.

               

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            • Author by solon (October 16, 2007 11:23 pm ET)
                 

              YOU are a liar. MMFA just caught the Oxymoron and you hiveminders are scurrying like ants doing damage control. Kerry got his medals and got his tour cut short on his SECOND TOUR. YOU are a moron. Most of those among the Swift Boat Liars for Rent never came within smelling distance of Kerry many didnt even serve during the same time period. The Navys official records and the majority of the eye witnesses back up Kerry. Ya got nothing. Get back to us after the Oxymoron TELLS you what to think about this

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          • Author by billiybobjones7678 (October 17, 2007 12:30 am ET)
               

            Man oh man.  And MMFA thinks Limbaugh attacked our brave soldiers.  

             

            Look, let me just say that just because you disagree with what some honorable veterans say about Kerry, it's wrong to call them phony~!!!!!!! 

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            • Author by solon (October 17, 2007 2:33 am ET)
                 

              And just because THEY disagreed with his opposition to the war it was wrong of them to LIE about his service

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        • Author by solon (October 16, 2007 11:20 pm ET)
             

          Kerry was a decorated war hero. The Swift Boat Liars for Rent were thoroughly discredited by the records AND by the huge majority of EYE WITNESSES still alive. The only reasons to believe them is that you want to or Rush TOLD you to.

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        • Author by anyfreedomleft (October 17, 2007 1:15 pm ET)
             

          Including the guy who got his medal from the very same incident that he claimed Kerry lied about to get his medal?  Okay, if Kerry lied about that, then this guy accepted a medal for the same lie, so he has no credibility either ...

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    • Author by DEMS_SOL (October 16, 2007 3:48 pm ET)
         

      Interesting that this comes up now.

       

      MMFA did it’s best to pretend the appearance of it’s own Paul Waldman did not happen on the Wednesday October 3 broadcast of MSNBC’s Tucker. What was equally overlooked by the Media Matters police was an appearance on that that same show by General Wesley Clark, the former Democratic Party candidate for President of the United States.  In absolute contradiction to the Constitution of the land he once served Clark suggested Congress establishes a rating system on political speech.  Touting a system similar to one used by the motion picture industry, congress could then use this system to establish which programs would be suitable for broadcast over government airwaves. 

       

      Later on in the broadcast MMFA’s Waldman asserted that the goal of MMFA is to seek out and highlight those statements within main stream and conservative media which “people find problematic”.  MMFA’s contention in the recent Rush Limbaugh ruckus is that as Limbaugh did not denounce a caller’s supposed definition of a “real” soldier – he ipso facto defined a phony soldier.  In that same vein is MMFA’s silence on democrat Wesley Clark’s comments in effect an endorsement of his beliefs? Does MMFA not find Clark’s comment “problematic”?  One can only assume that MMFA would understand the hypocrisy its silence creates and therefore it’s silence on this matter supports the ex-candidate Clark’s position.  The only other assumption that could be gathered is that MMFA considers MSNBC neither main stream nor conservative media, and therefore  must be liberal or “progressive” media, and already stands in line with their beliefs.

      Given MMFA’s stance on democrat Wesley Clark’s free speech opinion perhaps the one time photo montage of Josef Stalin sporting a Media Matters for America logo on his uniform was grounded in some truth after all. 

       

      General Wesley Clark (D) - leading candidate (though it is only Tuesday) for this weeks “Glimmering Example of Why the Symbol of the National Democratic Party is a Jack-Ass” award.

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      • Author by nerzog (October 16, 2007 3:55 pm ET)
           

        Got a link for that conversation? I'm assuming that Clark was talking about Armed Forces Radio. If that's the case, there is no First Amendment issue here. Rush has a right to speak, not a right to be broadcast at government expense...unless, of course, you want to go back and revisit those Mapplethorpe photos...

        I'm not saying that Clark is necessarily right, but I'll withhold judgement until I've seen the transcript.

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        • Author by DEMS_SOL (October 16, 2007 4:03 pm ET)
             

          http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8063292/

          It is the last video clip on the page under the banner "Does Limbaugh face unfair attacks"

          The segment was about AFR and Clark's crusade to get Limbaugh off - nonetheless the concept of rating ploitical speech for whatever purpose is way off base. 

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          • Author by nerzog (October 16, 2007 4:29 pm ET)
               

            Thanks for the link. I found a transcript here:

            [link to www.msnbc.msn.com]

            It's a little hard to follow, since neither speaker gets many full sentences out. Here's one statement from the General:

            CLARK: "I think he‘s got every right to say it under freedom of speech. But it doesn‘t have to be transmitted at U.S. government expense. That‘s my point. "

            Seems pretty clear to me. I agree that the "rating system" is a lame idea. What I would propose is that if Armed Forces Radio is going to carry Rush, then they should also carry a left wing counterpart. Rush's show is a defacto infomercial for the GOP...anyone who denies that is being disingenuous.

            And please don't trot out that old saw about NPR as Tucker tried to do...nothing they broadcast even remotely compares to the naked partisanship of Rush Limbaugh.

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            • Author by DEMS_SOL (October 16, 2007 4:55 pm ET)
                 

              That's a different discussion for a different thread - I was just commenting on the folly of Wesley Clark and the uneven coverage here by MMFA.

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            • Author by kozakid1769 (October 16, 2007 5:07 pm ET)
                 

              "What I would propose is that if Armed Forces Radio is going to carry Rush, then they should also carry a left wing counterpart."

              They actually do. See http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200405280844.asp

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              • Author by nerzog (October 16, 2007 5:45 pm ET)
                   

                Nice try. Fresh Air, Car Talk, Morning Edition and "Brief Commentaries by Jim Hightower" are a balance to Rush Limbaugh? Yeah, right. Please name one show on NPR that is as blatantly and constantly one-sided as Rush Limbaugh. Please enlighten us. Maybe Jim Hightower...but he's not on there 15 hours a week, is he?

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              • Author by nerzog (October 16, 2007 5:56 pm ET)
                   

                Also...I have NEVER heard anybody on NPR say that Republicans are trying to destroy America, or that Republicans "own defeat" or are trying to lose in Iraq. Rush says these things about Democrats daily, and we're paying for it to be transmitted to the troops in Iraq.

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          • Author by kozakid1769 (October 16, 2007 5:03 pm ET)
               

            I think the effort to get Limbaugh taken off AFR is merely another attempt by the Democrats to demoralize the troops. The troops want to hear Limbaugh. Most off them would prefer all three hours.

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            • Author by foghornleghorn (October 16, 2007 5:17 pm ET)
                 

              So you'd rather have our troops listen to a proven LIAR, than to hear the truth.

              That, my friend, is NOT supporting the troops.

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      • Author by billiybobjones7678 (October 16, 2007 4:22 pm ET)
           

        Thanks for the reminder of Clark's appearance on  the Carlson program.  There is a reason why Michael Medved calls him "weaselly" Clark!

        What a buffoon he is!  Imagine if any conservative had tried to come up with a "rating" system for political speech! 

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      • Author by HughG (October 16, 2007 8:16 pm ET)
           

        WC4ME spewed:

        "What was equally overlooked by the Media Matters police was an appearance on that that same show by General Wesley Clark, the former Democratic Party candidate for President of the United States."

        Um...yeah, that's the ticket. I hear he dated Marilyn Monroe, too. And he was the dude that Carly was talking about in You're so Vain.

        You apparently don't let facts get in the way of your diatribe. But I like your username. The WC is indeed the most appropriate place for you.

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        • Author by DEMS_SOL (October 17, 2007 11:07 am ET)
             

          You might want to research some history before revealing your ignorance - Clarke ran for President as a Democrat in 2004.

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          • Author by HughG (October 17, 2007 8:58 pm ET)
               

            Yes, of course he ran for president (in 2004). But he was not "the Democratic Party candidate for president." That was John Kerry. Remember?

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      • Author by solon (October 16, 2007 11:25 pm ET)
           

        Waldman has WHAT to do with this? Oh thats right NOTHING this is another LOOK OVER THERE moment. I forgot what the ReNAMBLAcan symbol was again was it the dollar sign or Cunningham in PRISON?

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        • Author by DEMS_SOL (October 17, 2007 11:11 am ET)
             

          Couldn't be clearer -go back and reread - Waldman was on the same show as Clark talking about how MM looks for problematic statements of political pundants.  I find it curious they had no problem with Clarke wanting to place a rating system on political speech.

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          • Author by solon (October 18, 2007 1:26 am ET)
               

            OK I will give you that. Not far off topic. However you must not understand what this site DOES. They dont criticise politicians for what THEY think should be done they talk about how the MEDIA covers things. Specifically the conservative media. Now Wes Clarke would be conservative media in WHAT way?

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          • Author by HughG (October 18, 2007 6:50 am ET)
               

            Here's a suggestion: the man's name appears in the headline to this article. You can cut-and-paste the name, and then you don't have to guess at its correct spelling. What a concept!

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    • Author by kozakid1769 (October 16, 2007 4:57 pm ET)
         

      Come on, MMFA, stop lying. We all know that Limbaugh was referring to MacBeth and other phony soldiers.

      If Limbaugh had actually said what MMFA dishonestly claims he did, the troops in Iraq would have demanded that his program be removed from Armed Forces Radio immediately. However, there have been no such demands. We troops support Limbaugh because, unlike Pinky Reid and the Democrats, Limbaugh supports us.

      I think the interpretation that we troops have concerning what Limbaugh said far outweigh MMFA's bogus claims.

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      • Author by foghornleghorn (October 16, 2007 5:19 pm ET)
           

        OK, I'll bite - what is a "phony soldier"?

        Rush's definition is any soldier who doesn't tow the party line.  That means that a large percentage of our troops in Iraq are "phony soldiers".

        Is that supporting the troops?

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      • Author by solon (October 16, 2007 11:28 pm ET)
           

        YOU are the one lying. We have gone over this many times. We get that YOU believe whatever the Oxymoron TOLD you to believe but we are not assimilated so no matter how many times you LIE it wont change reality

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    • Author by eweston8542983 (October 16, 2007 7:12 pm ET)
         

      I've heard Gen Clark on chance meeting is a good conversationalist with people he's never met before. I've heard him,may not agree with him all the time, but he's worth a listen.

      Rush, well,personally, I don't think I'd be charmed in this situation. I don't he would either. The word phoney might come up.

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    • Author by rrastro (October 16, 2007 8:43 pm ET)
         

      media matters demonstrating the big lie.

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    • Author by gnusman53 (October 17, 2007 4:15 am ET)
         

      Sadly, we have some people attacking military vets here (Reid is a vet) while believing the constant stream of excrement from a drug addict.

      The only thing Rush supports is Rush.....

      ...while lying all the time.

       He was talking to a caller Mike from Chicago who said he was service who disagreed with Rush.... who then belittled him for his views on the air.

      A few minutes later, he was talking to Mike from Chicago when the "phony soldiers" comment was made.

       It wasn't until MINUTES later when Rush tried to identify it as MacBeth.

      Then he later expanded it to include Murtha and others.

      Rush is a liar. AND a PHONY PATRIOT.

       Not to mention a COWARD.

       Several people have been making erroneous comments about Gen. Clark, from the idiot editorial writer, to several of the posters.

      To bad they can't handle the truth and like to hide behind Rush's fat ass.

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

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      • Author by anyfreedomleft (October 17, 2007 1:24 pm ET)
           

        Rush takes a call from Mike 1, who claims he was in the service.

        A minute later, he takes a call from Mike 2, and at that point, Rush calls dissenters "phony soldiers" (I wonder how many of his callers identifying themselves as present and former military really were in the service?) ...

        Then he tries to say that he was referring to MacBeth when he said "phony soldiers"???

        Even Rush's lie about his lie doesn't add up ... no wonder they can't "follow these people intellectually" ... they never could ... 

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    • Author by mdm40398218 (October 17, 2007 7:19 am ET)
         

      Not even a classy gut like General Clark can make Rush Limbaugh "appear dignified."

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