Matthews continued distortion of Clinton's Iraq plans, claimed she looked at Gore with "dead people's eyes"
On the March 26 edition of MSNBC's Hardball, host Chris Matthews repeated his baseless assertion that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton [D-NY] "supports the maintenance of permanent bases [in Iraq], adding, "[S]he said permanent bases, never end it." This came just a day after Matthews, on the NBC-syndicated Chris Matthews Show, accused Clinton of "playing ... straddle" with her Iraq stance, asking New York Times reporter Patrick Healy: "[I]s she ready to say 'I'm against the war,' or is she still playing this straddle of 'I want to keep a permanent base in Iraq'?" On the March 25 edition of The Chris Matthews Show, Matthews and his panel went on to recycle old falsehoods regarding Clinton and former Vice President Al Gore, with Gloria Borger reviving the falsehood that Gore claimed to have invented the Internet, while Matthews again compared Clinton to the Charles Dickens villain Madame Defarge and said that Clinton welcomed Gore with "dead people's eyes" at his March 21 appearance before the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works.
In fact, Clinton's assertion about the need for a limited military presence in Iraq after most troops are withdrawn is not a call for "a permanent base" and is consistent with the Senate Democrats' emergency war spending bill that is expected to come to the floor this week.
Clinton has stated her support for a redeployment of combat troops from Iraq that would leave a "scaled-down military force" to protect "remaining vital national security interests," but no longer patrol the streets of Baghdad or protect Iraqis from sectarian violence. In a March 13 New York Times interview, Clinton said that she supported a phased withdrawal of combat troops from Iraq while a contingent of "far fewer troops" would "remain for our antiterrorism mission, for our northern support mission, for our ability to respond to the Iranians, and to continue to provide support, if called for, for the Iraqis." But contrary to Matthews' repeated claims about her policy, Media Matters for America noted that Clinton has not proposed to keep U.S. troops in Iraq "permanently" or said that she supports a "permanent base" in Iraq.
Moreover, Clinton's proposal for a limited number of troops to remain in Iraq after the substantial withdrawal is similar to the provision in S.965, the war spending bill that Senate Democrats are expected to bring to the floor this week, that calls for "[a] small number of American forces [to] remain in Iraq for force protection, training and equipping Iraqi troops, and targeted counterterrorism options." And as Media Matters noted, her position is also consistent with the March 15 Democratic Senate resolution on troop withdrawal, which, as The New York Times reported on March 16, "would have redefined the United States mission in Iraq and set a goal of withdrawing American combat troops by March 31, 2008, except for a 'limited number' focused on counterterrorism, training and equipping Iraqi forces, and protecting American and allied personnel." And in January, Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) introduced legislation that "allows for a limited number of U.S. troops to remain in Iraq as basic force protection, to engage in counter-terrorism and to continue the training of Iraqi security forces."
Hostile greeting of Gore
Discussing Gore's March 21 testimony before the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works, Borger declared: "The Democrats, most of them welcomed him like the returning prophet. Except for one -- Hillary Clinton." Matthews then asserted that Clinton looked at Gore with "dead people's eyes," before adding, "That was the coldest look. ... No phony smile, nothing." Borger also said: "Let's just not say -- it was not welcoming your old friend. ... 'Great to see you, Al. Good to have you in the same room. And by the way, did you invent the Internet, too? I don't think so.' " Media Matters has repeatedly refuted the assertion -- often repeated during the 2000 campaign -- that Gore claimed to have invented the Internet.
In discussing rumors that the former vice president and his wife, Tipper, may be happier outside of the political arena, Matthews compared the facial expressions of Clinton and Tipper Gore -- before likening Clinton to Madame Defarge, a character in A Tale of Two Cities. Matthews has previously compared Clinton to the literary character, who according to BookRags.com, a website that provides study guides for classic novels, "spends her days knitting a 'register' of names of people she has marked for death." Matthews declared: "Hillary looks like Madame Defarge in that picture, and Tipper looks as happy as she's ever been."
From the March 26 edition of MSNBC's Hardball with Chris Matthews, with guest and former 2008 Democratic presidential candidate Tom Vilsack:
MATTHEWS: But your state is well known to be anti-war. And Hillary Clinton not only voted to authorize the war, Hillary Clinton supports the maintenance of permanent U.S. bases, military bases, U.S. personnel, our Army in Iraq permanently. How can you, representing a state like Iowa, support that position?
VILSACK: She'll end the war, Chris. The reality is that we would hope that President Bush would end the war. But it doesn't appear --
MATTHEWS: But she said permanent bases, never end it.
VILSACK: It doesn't appear as if he's intending on doing that, so it's necessary for the next president of the United States to handle that issue. And she's prepared to do it, and I believe she will. That's the key, ending the war.
MATTHEWS: But do you support a permanent U.S. base in Iraq?
VILSACK: I think it's important for the United States to have protection of its national strategic interests in that region. And obviously, there's going to be an opportunity for us to have troops deployed throughout that region, as there has been. But the bottom line is, the war has to end. Hillary Clinton has promised and pledged to end it, and I believe that she will on the first day she is in office.
MATTHEWS: You believe that she's going to be more dovish than she says, then?
VILSACK: I heard her say it today, that she is intent on ending the war. She recognizes that President Bush started this war, has mismanaged this war, and has responsibility for ending it. But if he doesn't accept that responsibility, she will.
From the March 25 edition of the NBC-syndicated Chris Matthews Show:
MATTHEWS: Patrick, is she ready to say "I'm against the war," or is she still playing this straddle of "I want to keep a permanent base in Iraq" -- you know, the whole thing?
HEALY: Yeah, yeah. She's saying that she's against the war and she wants to get out most of the troops, but she's going to keep these troops there. We asked her, you know, "If Iraqis are killing each other right outside of the gates, you're really going to have all these American servicemen just sitting in there and letting civil war happen?" She said, "Yeah. You know, let them go at it. We're not going to do anything."
STENGEL: It does seem like an incremental position, right?
BORGER: This is part of a general-election strategy. I mean, obviously, she's got to win the primaries. But they're looking over the rainbow here to the general election, where she is going to want to have that strategy.
[...]
BORGER: It was so wonderful to watch him on the Hill this week looking very sporty, not looking --
[laughter]
NORAH O'DONNELL (MSNBC chief Washington correspondent): Sporty?
BORGER: Not looking like a senator. You know, he's wearing a checked shirt, sort of a different kind of a tie -- "I'm not one of you." The Democrats, most of them welcomed [him] like the returning prophet. Except for one -- Hillary Clinton.
MATTHEWS: Did you watch her eyes?
BORGER: I did.
MATTHEWS: Weren't those dead people's eyes? That was the coldest look.
BORGER: It was not --
MATTHEWS: No phony smile, nothing.
BORGER: Let's just not say -- it was not welcoming your old friend.
MATTHEWS: "Good to see you, Al."
BORGER: "Great to see you, Al. Good to have you in the same room. And by the way, did you invent the Internet, too? I don't think so."
MATTHEWS: And Patrick, before -- we were in the green room a while ago, and you were saying that you think he's lost some weight. I know this is so cosmetic, but people are watching the weight here.
HEALY: When we were reporting on Gore coming back last week, the anecdote that kept coming up from his friends about how much he loves the low-fat, low-cal sandwiches, they were just pushing that storyline over and over again. You know, he -- it's hard to tell.
[...]
MATTHEWS: Compare the faces of Hillary Clinton and Tipper Gore. Hillary looks like Madame Defarge in that picture, and Tipper looks as happy as she's ever been. You're dead right.















Just amazing
His hate toward Hillary Clinton continues, however when you look deeper into his hateful comments I believe he may have an issue with women as well as just outright dislike and hate toward the Senator. Either way its disgusting.
You should have heard Chris yesterday on his show. He obviously despises H. Clinton. He went on and on about how there is this "Hiliary Clinton hating monster" in the electorate that will certainly preclude her from winning the presidency. He also went into a tizzy that there might be the remote possibility that NYC's Mayor Bloomberg would enter the presidential race and cypher off votes from Guiliani. He was beside himself at just the mere thought that this could happen. Apparently Guliani is his new crush.
Yeah he loves Rudy. I do not understand the buzz about Bloomberg, I do not see this man getting any national attraction. He has about as much charisma as a turtle.
Matthews just loves to hear himself talk, I can not stand watching him when he starts his hatefest toward Hillary, it is so deplorable.
Thanks to Jeter and his tip on the HinesSight...found this and thought you might find it of some interest.
- Half of voting-age Americans say they would not vote for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) if she became the Democratic nominee for president in 2008, according to a Harris Interactive poll released Tuesday.
- More than one in five Democrats that participated in the survey said they would not vote for Clinton.
- Forty-eight percent of Independent voters also said that they would choose another candidate over Clinton
- Fifty-six percent of men said that they would not vote for Clinton, while 45 percent of women said that she would not be their pick.
- Nearly half of the respondents said that they dislike Clinton’s political opinions and Clinton as a person. Fifty-two percent of people also said that “she does not appear to connect with people on a personal level.”
She ain't too popular, is she? But you watch, if she gets the nomination, every Dem puppy from here to Nome will be crying that she's the most liberal thing since Che Guevara and that she HAS to be President over the Repub o' the day, even though she's a right-wing mass murderer.
i'm a little wary of online polls, even though this was supposed to be weighted properly.
SAVE DEMOCRACY, VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT!
This kind of bloviating is usually reserved for the beauty shop, gossip column, or the red carpet at the Oscars.
What does it have to do with political analysis?? Answer: Nothing, unless you have a horse in the race and your side has nothing of substance to offer!!
Hardballed! The Republican PR Show!
Happy Thoughts;
Dan, just out of curiosity, do you have to type your ALL CAPS SLOGAN on every post, or do you have some setup that inserts it automatically...?
i watched some of this puke fest but missed this part. matthews show has turned into a sitcom.
"Moreover, Clinton's proposal for a limited number of troops to remain in Iraq after the substantial withdrawal is similar to the provision in [link to thomas.loc.gov] title="blocked::S.965,">[link to thomas.loc.gov] the war spending bill that Senate Democrats are expected to bring to the floor this week"
Why is it the spending bill includes millions for Katrina, and millions for Peanut growers? I do not believe Pelosi or Hillary could really care less about the troops. It is more about the vote and money.
"Why is it the spending bill includes millions for Katrina, and millions for Peanut growers? I do not believe Pelosi or Hillary could really care less about the troops."
Yeah, you nailed it, buddy. Because as we all know, adding money for the worst natural disaster in US history = not caring about the troops.
Rove couldn't have framed it any better.
You're against helping Katrina victims and America's farmers? Did you complain when in 2005 Bush signed the "Emergency Supplemental Appropriations bill with $14 billion in new, non-emergency spending tacked on, including $3.9 billion for farm subsidies and $13 milllion for drought aid to farmers" (see link below)? By the way, Pelosi's earmarks only amounted to $315 million.
[link to www.newshounds.us]
You are missing my point. Fund a seperate bill for that. I am in ALL FAVOR of that.
I dig your point. They're attaching stuff like that to a bill that will funds the DEATHS of Iraqis, all because they know Bush has to sign it to keep killing people. That way they get the money for their projects while enabling Bush to kill more people for a year. It's sick, truly sick. Playing political games while continuing to fund murder. Sickness.
And I wonder how much of that Katrina money will end up in the hands of bogus contractors...all the rest of the money did.
And Yes, I am against slipping crap like that in the bill, PERIOD.
Soon as you find a spending bill that doesn't have random crap stuffed in it, let us know. Until then, try not equating common practice with a lack of support for the troops.
Unfortunately, I can not relocate the source of my information, but I did read somewhere and I am sure that I heard in an interview with Harry Reid that many of the "pork" items in the war spending bill were items abandoned by the Rebup led Congress once they lost the election last year. Anybody have a source?
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I believe these were the eyes he was referring too.
Those are Little Orphan Annie eyes.
Is Little Orphan Annie dead?
And I think Matthews was reporting with a dead person's brain.
Abby someone (timely Young Frankenstein reference)
She was in the process of becoming Little Orphan Arnie when a brave citizen of Weiner America brutally murdered her, causing Weiner and his fans everywhere to laugh and cheer.
Arf. Then her Daddy Dick Warbucks denied having a transgender daughter.
Ooo- Ooo!! I wanted to say this in response to your post about post-modona, but it was archived...how about 'post-modern pileofdonkey'? Hmm.. yes..., well, umm.., I guess, I, well, i suppose I had to be there... oh, well...
Mr L., I remember somebody not wanting to argue with a "pre-modona"., but are you calling me a post-modern pile of donkey-something? Now I'm even more confused. ;lD
No- I just thought the term was some-what funny...I thought in the other postings you were talking about ANOTHER person...
Matthews description of Hillary looking at Gore with "dead people's eyes" or his "Madame Defarge" quip were certainly over the top, IF you're too sensitive to get his humor. Or don't have a sense of humor at all. Quite frankly, at least from what I saw on the video clip provided by MMFA, Hillary's expression [when addressing Gore] could certainly at least be described as... Cold.
Jeter,
A lot of the time I don't even know what Chris is talking about, he often uses thee antiquated/obsolete terms and phrases and frankly some of them I've never heard.
I just don't get how this guy is still on TV... this is all he's got. Making fun of Hillary's looks, her mannerisms, etc. Sheesh. Lame. What about what she actually believes in (i.e. the issues?) That would be too 'newsy' for Chris.
Well, they can't pick on her policies....she's as right wing as they are. All they got to whine about are her looks, her ideology matches theirs.
Ok What's the deal here? I watch the WHOLE hearing from start to finish and this whole Hillary gave Gore the cold look thing is just plain stupid. You guys are just looking for things to read into now. You can't just look at anything with an open mind anymore. You have to find some hidden adgenda or something. GEEZE people either I watch a different hearing than you guys did or your just plain paranoid
Hillary may not be my first choice for president but I can still be objective about her views and ideas.
MATTHEWS: But she said permanent bases, never end it.
Gotta love good ol' Chris Matthews. He won't let a small thing like the truth get in the way of his lies.
MMFA is making a distinction between "permanent bases" which Hillary never said, and "continuing deployment" which Hillary did say. I wonder if the troops would recognize the difference.
No difference, politicians rarely use terms like "permanent", they sidestep and dance around it for their own wiggle room later, if necessary.
Big difference. Permanent means in perpetuity. E.g. forever. Continuing means ongoing, but not necessarily forever.
He accurately characterized Mrs. Clinton's expression, IMHO. But this is thin milk compared to some past performances I've seen by congressmen such as Tom Lantos and John McCain. She seems like a normal human, not a high standard but something to shoot for some.
It's official: MSNBC on-air employee chris matthews is a worthless "media" hack, who adds nothing of value to any discussion whatsoever of National Policy or the upcoming presidential election.
Read the transcript, and tell me it's not true: The guy has gone to a laughable effort, to avoid the single most pertinent concept and word to the matter being discussed...
OCCUPATION.
As in, does this idiot hack think the Senator from NY is calling for a continued occupation of Iraq by U.S. Troops?
Of course she is not.
She is in fact calling for a continued presence of U.S. Troops in the region... and if her specific plan calls for that presence to be, in part, within the borders of Iraq, then why not?
Why would we not continue to keep a contingency of U.S. Forces in the region, as close as possible to, if not actually in, Iraq?
Is not the present national government of Iraq our ally?
Don't we continue to have strategic interests in the region generally, and in Iraq specifically, long past the end of the U.S. occupation of Iraq?
...an occupation the end of which, the American People call for, and the NY Senator supports.
So you see, only an idiot or a fool or a worthless hack, continues to misconstrue what the Senator thinks about a continued U.S. presence of Force in the region, and does so in such a manner as to bend over backwards in not saying the word OCCUPATION.
The Senator from NY calls for an end to the U.S. occupation, as do the American People... and she calls for a continued presence of U.S. Forces in the region, as do any and all who are concerned with U.S. National Security, be it generally so, or specific to the region of the Persian Gulf.
chris matthews is a worthless hack, to continue to think he can pry common sense and the interests of National Security from your thoughts (and any unbiased attention you might give the NY Senator on this issue), by way of cleverly dancing around the concept and the word of OCCUPATION, while discussing the issue.
Read it for yourself... see if the hack didn't do just that.
We shouldn't have gone there and we shouldn't stay there. We just make everything worse by our very presence.
I'd add: the item references a NY Times interview by Michael R. Gordon and patrick healy, dated March 15, titled "Clinton Says Some G.I.'s in Iraq Would Remain".
A more recent NY Times article, titled "Mindful of Past, Clinton Cultivates the Military", also by healy and dated today (but appearing last night), includes these observations:
"As a senator and now as a presidential candidate, she has cultivated relationships with generals and admirals, prepped herself on wartime needs and strategy, and traveled to Iraq and Afghanistan."
"....she regularly meets with military officers [in her role as a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee], has traveled three times to Iraq and has attended hearings on global conflicts and the needs of the armed services."
"Privately, two current military leaders who have testified before the Armed Services committee... said they both found Mrs. Clinton conversant about the military and thoughtful in her questions."
"Active-duty generals have sought her out, and she has reached out to them. Among those with whom she has built relationships are Gen. David H. Petraeus, the top commander in Iraq, and Adm. William J. Fallon, the new head of Central Command. Recently, too, James T. Conway, the commandant of the Marines, invited her to be his guest of honor at the “Sunset Parade” at the Marine Corps War Memorial in Washington, a high-profile tradition. (She has accepted.)"
"General Keane [retired general and former Army vice chief of staff who has become close to the senator] —whose support for sending more troops to Iraq is at odds with Mrs. Clinton’s view — and other admirers of hers see these skeptical or critical portrayals of her as playing into false stereotypes. He recalled how his own initial impression of her changed after their first meeting: It was supposed to last 15 minutes, but continued for a half hour longer as they talked about West Point and moved onto global hot spots.
John Batiste, a retired major general and former commander of the First Infantry Division, who also consults with Mrs. Clinton, said, “Very, very few politicians have any military experience, and they’re naïve — they don’t understand what it takes to develop a big picture, unified strategy to take a country to war.
“She’s the kind of person who would listen to sound military advice,” General Batiste said, “and not dismiss it or discard it. And I’m a lifelong Republican."
[I'd ask you to again note what Gen. Keane was quoted as saying, about "...these skeptical or critical portrayals of her as playing into false stereotypes"]
I'm sure the hack chris matthews has also his advisors in these matters, and his admirers, as does the Senator from NY...
...his hacking confusion on the matter just doesn't read so well, I guess.
Her initial strong support for the the invasion and de facto occupation and her now diminished support for an occupation but still a "presence" has mostly to do with her financial support from Jews and perhaps also her own Jewish heritage. As for Keane, just AEI inspired window dressing.
"her own Jewish heritage?"
Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot. Over.
Her step grandfather on her mother's side.
Pretty attenuated. Must be why her horns are barely noticeable.
I've got to wonder when it is that Tweety takes his insulin shot - before or after his show?
'Course it wouldn't explain the idiocies from the other twits on his show, but maybe he could change.
Just for our sake.
"No difference, politicians rarely use terms like "permanent", they sidestep and dance around it for their own wiggle room later, if necessary."
This is silly. Matthews is clearly distorting her position on Iraq. She wants to bring the troops home in a phased withdrawal. She's never waivered on that.
Matthews is claiming that she's for the war and that she doesn't want to end it. Where did that come from?
He's doing his job. It's his opinion. He has a strong government background. He knows how things really work in Washington.
"He's doing his job. It's his opinion. He has a strong government background. He knows how things really work in Washington."
His job is to misrepresent Hillary's stance on Iraq?
Yeah, I guess if he uses the excuse that it's "his opinion," he can lie all day.
You use the word 'lie' too lightly. He doesn't compare to all the world heavyweight champion liars around these days in broadcast communications. To so slander him weakens the charge when leveled against the truely deserving.
How about "pointedly prevaricate" all day long?
Perhaps not world-class, maybe not even a heavyweight - but Chrissy is certainly in training for the event, should a shot at the title open up for him.
Just when I was ready to give props to Chris Matthews for slapping down neocon Jeffries about support for the Iraq war, Chris goes back to type. Hillary has become his worst nightmare, and he is lying every chance he gets to bring her down. It won't fly, because we know that a la Bushspeak, repeating lies won't make them true. His handlers should give him a cold shower, or send him on an extended vacation. Better yet, get a Keith Olbermann wannabe to replace him.