Quinn suggests we "broom the Muslims out of the military," says internment "worked" during WWII
November 06, 2009 4:15 pm ET
From the November 6 edition of Clear Channel's The War Room with Quinn and Rose:
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If I knew that an all out boycott of this jerk's show would make a difference, I'd say lets go for it!
Was Mr. Quinn so up in arms about scooping up all the wacky fanatical Christians out of the Army after Tim McVeigh?? I seriously doubt it... and this proves his racism and worthless nature to this country!
I agree that unwarranted discrimination isn't acceptable but much of the profiling that needs to be done is limited by PC. Would any of us stay on a plane while a fellow passenger chanted, allah akbar?
The preconception of mistrust lay with the muslim community and until they step up and clear their own ranks, they need to accept the suspicion. In WW II, the Japanese did stand up and proved their allegiance by serving as double agents, interpreters and fighting in the European theater. And America noticed and recognized the sacrifice that many had accepted because of the horrid acts committed by those from their homeland.
The difference with radical islamic followers is that their religion demands blind allegiance without regard to honor, honesty, decency or just plain murdering innocent 'infidels'. When muslims stand up and demand these radicals be ostracized and actually fight against them and their reprehensible actions, then it will be easier to assume the best of their intentions. If they remain silent and inactive in policing their ranks, then don't be upset when people walk off of a plane in which you just invoked the name of allah.
Thanks for your personality analysis, I'll make sure my handlers get to see it.(And by the by, you in no way reflected any hate filled bigotry yourself in your posting. Nope, nada, zippo. Your generalizations were just spot on!)
Is using discrimination always hateful? Why can't we use reason and intellect to survey a scene or individual and say, "Danger Will Robinson?" and respond accordingly? If I do or say nothing to remove myself from group that has defined itself by their reprehensible actions, is it not reasonable that people might make the same evaluations of me? So answer the question, "Would you stay on a plane with someone invoking allah?"
You are the one who posts generalizations, i.e., anyone who disagrees with your decidedly non-conservative viewpoints is a "lefty" or a "lib."
And, yes, I'd stay on a plane with someone invoking allah, just like I'd stay on a plane with someone invoking the name of my own God. Unlike you, apparently, I don't spend my whole life worried about what COULD happen. I have enough sense to be able to recognize danger and I don't spend my time looking for it around every corner. You have a sad life.
As far as the plane ride, what is it like being the only citizen of this great land to not think about 9-11 sitting next to a guy on a plane getting ready to take off while he's asking for allah's help? (Are you also the only American to get diarrhea and NOT think about finding a bathroom either?) Or what is it like to go walking down the street in Chicago or DC in the middle of the night? Or to never have to worry about the group of pagan motorcycle riders approaching your or your family in a darkened alley? Why, because you NEVER worry about what COULD happen and act without regard to safety! Oh, it must be just dandy to never worry about anything, lucky you! :>
We all make all kinds of value judgments based on reason with experience (ie discrimination) and you shouldn't consider yourself closed minded or bigoted, just using God given common sense.
I've sat beside many people on planes who prayed to their God because they're terrified of flying.
And most of us, who've lived in major cities take offense at you rubes who assume that it's like walking in Baghdad.
And if you're walking down the street and a bunch of bikers are coming at you or your family, you must have done something to deserve their "scrutiny" unless they think you're someone else.
I've never heard of a case in which a biker gang terrorized a family out of the blue, for no reason.
All you've done here is played to all the stereotypes of the typical bedwetting wingnut.
These are all based on reason and experience, not on imagined monsters.
So if I am under 'scrutiny', are they being too discriminatory?
My point had to do with using common sense in judging our surroundings, where we place ourselves and the behavior of people around us.
As far as the plane experience, when someone asks the Lord for help, I believe that is interpreted much differently than someone invoking allah. It's been a long time, maybe going back to the civil war era, for a plane passenger to commandeer an airplane and fly it into a skyscaper while saying the Lord's Prayer. Just an observation.
By the by, pretty insightful of you to see the sarcasm in the hyperbole of my arguments. Wow, and here I thought roaming gangs of bikers were always attacking innocent families, scrutinized or not!
I'm sure you're familiar with this quote; "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security." You see, our founding fathers also had much to be afraid of, but somehow managed to give us the rights we have now. Let's prove ourselves worthy of those rights by not discriminating against all muslims because of what one muslim did. Ok?
Your wrong again...
I'm an ardent liberal... and if I were on a plane and the guy next to me was invoking Allah... I'd respect his moment, wait for him to finish, and then speak to him as an equal human being, perhaps taking the time to get to know his religion through his eyes... so that he knows that at least one American gives a damn enough to try and get to know him and his religion instead of assuming he had something to do with 9/11 or would potentially cause another one (which was an entirely different set of people that would not be the guy sitting next to me...
And that my friend is the big difference between you close minded conservatives and us open minded liberals!
You fear what you do not understand, we embrace that which we do not know, learn from it, accept it, and do our best to include and adapt so that that kind of stuff does not happen again!
So you go on living your life remembering the evil of 9/11 as if every Muslim was part of it... and I'll go on remembering 9/11 knowing that those who did it are dead!
Wow . . . . just WOW! I will repeat, you are ignorant.
It wasn't until the war was over were they released and reparations didn't come until 40 years later...
The Japanese-American internment is meant to be a lesson of what we should never allow to happen again in this country... yet there are idiots out there who are calling for it.
There were only 110,000 Japanese Americans interned... those in Hawaii were not... there are over a million Muslim-Americans... what do you think this country should do?
So put Japanese citizens in internment camps, then release them when they work with the american government, then bomb their homeland in return. WOW!
So put Japanese citizens in internment camps, then release them when they work with the american government, then bomb their homeland in return. WOW!
You have no sense what so ever as it pertains to history!
Your interpretation of history is to say the least, pathetic.
I'm curious as to your knowledge about the Spanish Inquisition and its absolutist ways that either you followed the strict wording of the Bible or you were tortured and/or put to death?
Or the Puritans here in the states with their burning to the steak any women who tried to think for herself...
Or the Mormons and how they dealt with non-believers?
I won't even ask about Pat Robertson and his twisted 700 Club or any of the various Christian fundamentalists over the years in this country who have demanded a strict adherence to the Bible or its leaders crazy interpretations...
Do not waste our time with some hate filled rhetoric against Muslims just because you can't find it in your heart to find compassion or any vague form of understanding to a religion you obviously detest!
If your brand of conservatism is what it is... I have no use for it and as far as I'm concerned this country would be better off without it!
I'm torn between giving you a thumbs up or down and replying to your thoughts... perhaps I'm not reading your post correctly.
Could you write out your post a bit more clearly so I can tell what exactly it is you are trying to say... it reads like it is all over the place.
Some of what you say makes sense, while some does not.
So I guess tomorrow the recruitment offices will start filling up with young muslims wanting to join the 'all islam brigade' to fight in Afghanistan, huh? The injustice of the Americans who happened to be Japanese was responded to with a willingness to disprove the assumption of guilt with dramatic action as I highlighted in President Reagan's remarks. Their treatment was horrible but they recognized that by changing the attitude of the nation towards them, they would prove their innocence. Pardon me, but I haven't seen the same kind of vigor to prove allegiance from the muslim community.
Until the muslims in this country start standing up against their own radical elements and fighting these acts and actors, it's hard to imagine that their loyalties lay with this country, their country.
Because Muslims are the only ones who ever commit atrocities, massacres, or anything else that's violent. Until Christians denounce people who bomb abortion clinics, kill doctors that provide abortion services, and stop denying gays the right to marry, American loyalty is to be questioned by everyone.
The 442nd wasn't formed until 1943... because the US Army didn't trust the Japanese Americans that were already in the Army Reserve out of Pearl Harbor.
They asked all draft eligible Japanese Americans who were held in Internment camps if they would swear loyalty to the US. 25% said no.
When the Army put together the 442nd... 10,000 volunteered from Hawaii only 1,200 volunteered from the Mainland.
I guess the point of my post is that loyalty is a two way street. When the Japanese were treated like criminals, they behaved like criminals and a minority of them would no longer swear loyalty to the US, in order to be part of the draft. When an equal number were called to server from Hawaii... they rose to the occassion.
So to say that the Japanese Americans stepped up and proved their loyalty... they did, but not as enthusiastically as history remembers... those who were treated with respect stood up... those who had a boot on their chest didn't.
I agree that the treatment of people of Japanese ancestry was inexcusable, but how come the acts of a few radical muslims are met with silence and inaction within their own community? This isn't just happening here but throughout the world, islamists attack the innocent and are intolerant of religion except their own?
I agree that the treatment of people of Japanese ancestry was inexcusable, but how come the acts of a few radical muslims are met with silence and inaction within their own community? This isn't just happening here but throughout the world, islamists attack the innocent and are intolerant of religion except their own?
I agree that the treatment of people of Japanese ancestry was inexcusable, but how come the acts of a few radical muslims are met with silence and inaction within their own community? This isn't just happening here but throughout the world, islamists attack the innocent and are intolerant of religion except their own?
What these idiots are proposing is, in fact, disregard for the First Amendment, which is ironic because they are the ones always griping about the First Amendment when ANYONE questions their crapola.
My suggestion? Read the Constitution, you might be surprised what's in it and what's not.
These people would always claim how America is the greatest country in the world, and its the land of the free, and didn't Glenn Beck even claim people went to America cause it has the best healthcare?
Anyway, besides that, I noticed on RedState, comments left by people bad mouthing foreign countries, Europe mostly, or like Scotland over that Libyian terrorists release. One comment claimed to know the history of Scotland and its people and how they changed into wusses, (pretty sure Braveheart was the source for it).
But sorry for gettin off my point, if this stuff Quinn suggests were to actually happen, guaranteed most of the world would look harshly on America being so discriminating, and so any negotiatins with U.S.A or talks mightn't be as friendly, but yet, far right conservatives can't see this racism, and so if it were to happen, and America were condemned, these nutjobs would bad mouth the rest of the world, how we're all weak and such, P.S I seen Ireland bad mouthed over not goin to Iraq on RedState aswell and cherry picked parts of my countrys history to bad mouth the Ireland of today. I wasn't happy to say the least.
Sadly, the way these folks seem to have been hyped up recently, if Palin or some other Rush supported far right winger gets into power, safely put, America is F"cked!
Sorry, rant over ha ha
Brilliant, right? Yeah. Very very very far right.
It's amazing how we interned the Japanese Americans in the mainland (My parents were both interned)... yet in Honolulu, there was no internment because the Japanese Americans there were too vital to the support of the military...
Where was the biggest threat of espinoage and sabotage... in Hood River, Oregon (where my Grandfathers Apple Orchards were lost) or in Pearl Harbor?
The notion that the internment worked is something so ridiculous and stupid it's hard to take anything else he says seriously.
This is something that Michelle Malkin would say and if you are playing at that level then you are an idiot.
Or maybe better yet, just intern all the loud mout right wing talk radio hacks.
You're a disgrace to the rest of us narrowbacks.
How about we broom you up and put you in internment camps along with the other right-wing kooks!
*Facepalm*
Those of Enemy Alien nationality who posed a threat were kept safely off the streets and out of the West Coast Red War Zone through relocation and internment. Although some acts of subversion occured, the policy was for the most part successful, protecting both the homeland and the enemy nationals.
Worth considering some form today.