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Pagliarulo says shooter's "Arab," "Muslim" name "raises questions immediately about terrorism," "hating the United States"

November 06, 2009 11:16 am ET

From the November 6 edition of Premiere Radio Networks' The Glenn Beck Show:

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    • Author by bintx (November 06, 2009 11:19 am ET)
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      No, it IMMEDIATELY made me believe that you would say what you said.

      The man was very troubled and did something HORRIFIC . . . his "Arab," "Muslim name" is irrelevant. If his name had been Patrick Mulrooney, the crime would have still been HORRIFIC, but you'd be calling it mass murder instead of terrorism. But I know the seed you're trying to plant and you're an A**.
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      • Author by dexteritas0071418 (November 06, 2009 11:59 am ET)
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        I absolutely agree that the fact this guy was Arabic (if he was) and Muslim have nothing to do with terrorism or hating the US.

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/06/robert-cone-nidal-malik-h_n_348145.html

        That probably does though.
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        • Author by bintx (November 06, 2009 12:15 pm ET)
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          Yelling "God is Great," makes it about terrorism and hating the US? Since when?
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          • Author by dexteritas0071418 (November 06, 2009 12:25 pm ET)
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            Yelling it while you're killing people outside of a warzone? Really?
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            • Author by bintx (November 06, 2009 12:37 pm ET)
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              Really. The man was having mental issues . . . evidence is that he loved his country. He is a murderer, plain and simple. His name and his religion, in this case, are completely irrelevant. His mental state is pretty significant, though.

              If his name had been Patrick Mulrooney, white Irish Catholic, and he had shouted "God is Great," what would you be calling him?
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              • Author by dexteritas0071418 (November 06, 2009 1:25 pm ET)
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                Did he recruit others to help him?

                If so, religious terrorism. You should've thought about what's been going on in Ireland for the better part of centuries before you posted that example.
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                • Author by Marker (November 06, 2009 1:56 pm ET)
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                  You should have waited for the complete facts to come out before you posted your drivel.
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                • Author by bintx (November 06, 2009 1:58 pm ET)
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                  You do understand that the folks who were previously thought to be suspects WERE NOT, right? He did this by himself.

                  Sorry, but if Patrick Mulrooney, an Irish Catholic, had done what this guy did IN THIS COUNTRY yesterday, you would not have called him a terrorist. I thought about my example quite well, thanks, though.

                  BTW, what if his name had been Jason Rodriguez? What would you have called him then? Because Jason Rodriguez just went on a similar shooting spree in Orlando. The media is calling him a "disgruntled ex-employee."

                  My point is, that you are basing your opinion of what the Major did upon his NAME and his RELIGION.
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                  • Author by Marker (November 06, 2009 2:01 pm ET)
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                    You are correct, after the last 8 years you'd think people wouldn't get sucked in, but they do.
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        • Author by Publius39 (November 06, 2009 12:25 pm ET)
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          I definitely agree Dex. This crime could have been perpetrated by anyone, regardless of ethnicity or religious belief. Its a shame that we live in a country in which some people have knee-jerk stereotypical reactions to certain personal characteristics.

          If he committed a crime, and his name was broadcast around the country, would people assume that he was part of the mafia or organized crime? <sarcasm>
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      • Author by rtejon (November 06, 2009 12:34 pm ET)
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        His name happens to be the same as a friend of mine who's in the restaurant business and has never hurt anybody.

        We can all recite quite a few Anglo-Saxon names of historically heinous criminals, but we don't go around blaming their distant relatives for it.
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    • Author by blueline99 (November 06, 2009 11:25 am ET)
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      What questions?
      Terrorism is a tactic and nothing of this appears to be about terrorism...

      Terroism is not a belief system, although I'm sure many people in this country try hard to make Islamic beliefs and Terroism to be the same.

      It's racist and fear inducing. This man was an American citizen who was obviously disturbed. We will learn more about his motives as the news unfolds, but the presumption that this is somehow validation of white hatred of American Muslims is wrong.
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    • Author by Doug-Life (November 06, 2009 11:37 am ET)
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      Of course its going to raise those questions, but if we've learned anything in the past 8 years its that we can't jump to conclusions about these things.
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      • Author by Doug-Life (November 06, 2009 11:59 am ET)
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        Thumbs down? So you don't think the authorities would be negligent if they didn't explore the terrorism avenue even a tiny bit?
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        • Author by dexteritas0071418 (November 06, 2009 12:00 pm ET)
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          Don't worry about the thumbs-down; nobody has responded so clearly you're on the right track.
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        • Author by bintx (November 06, 2009 12:16 pm ET)
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          We have a Masked thumbs downer person on this site. They don't interact, they just run through hitting thumbs down on any post they don't like . . . doesn't matter if it's factual or not, just disagrees with whatever is going through their pea-brain at the moment.
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    • Author by mjh (November 06, 2009 12:17 pm ET)
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      Pagliarulo says shooter's "Arab," "Muslim" name "raises questions immediately about terrorism," "hating the United States"



      Yep -- 'cuase nothing says "I hate the United States" like serving as a US Army Major . . .

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    • Author by 3amnoise (November 06, 2009 1:16 pm ET)
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      Yeah, it was those pesky turrests. A big elaborate plot of being born in Virgina, then devoting a large portion of his life for a MD and joining the armed forces of the US. Then waiting for Obama to call him up and give him his "real orders" (yes, I have heard that from wingnuts today, and yesterday right after Hasan's name was released). Despicable. You wingnuts are disgusting. Are you really going to exploit another major US tragedy to further your own twisted agenda? ANSWER? : You bet'cha.
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    • Author by Boxer1979 (November 06, 2009 2:17 pm ET)
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      Pagliarulo says shooter's "Arab," "Muslim" name "raises questions immediately about terrorism," "hating the United States"

      Why is the right-wing dum dums all over Muslim names so bad?

      But yet defend when nutballs like Jerry Fallwell when they say: "I hope I live to see the day when, as in the early days of our country, we won't have any public schools. The churches will have taken them over again and Christians will be running them. What a happy day that will be!"

      OR

      Pat Robinson when he says:“Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.”

      These two men or Christians or believe themself to be Christians should we as a country raise questions on Christianity?
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    • Author by John Paradox (November 06, 2009 2:56 pm ET)
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      When I first heard basically "there was a shooting at Fort Hood", my first thoughts went to how, as a result of the 'liberation of Iraq', the military decided to drop standards for recruiting. I figured that it was simply some kook who had joined up during that time and just 'went postal'.
      Second thoughts went through a list of 'suspects'.. if the shooter were Black or Hispanic, he would be 'a gang banger' in the media, and if he had a 'muslim-sounding' name (e.g. from India or somewhere that has 'non-white sounding' names), he'd be some kind of 'sleeper agent/terrorist' in the news. Not sure what would have happened if he had an Oriental name... we haven't hated them as much recently.
      When his name was released, but no information on his religion, I knew there would be a "Muslim terrorist" push, especially on Faux, but thought "if he turns out to be Christian, that will vanish down the memory hole at Faux". Since he was Muslim, the Faux Propagandists would do all the expected: push for his being a 'sleeper agent' (that stereotype hasn't proven to be used yet at Faux), 'we have to check/jail/kill all American Muslims', and on into depths of insanity I dare not try to fathom.
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    • Author by Sharpe (November 06, 2009 3:13 pm ET)
         
      Its an act of terrorism whether he was Muslim or not. Oklahoma city was committed by two Americans who were caucasian. It was still a terrorist act.

      "Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts which are intended to create fear (terror), are perpetrated for an ideological goal (as opposed to a lone attack), and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants."

      Under that definition, this was an act of terrorism depending on the motive and not the name of the perpetrator.
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