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Dobbs: "Town hall meetings were for nothing"; Pelosi and Reid are "telling the American people to go straight to hell"

November 05, 2009 5:27 pm ET

From the November 5 edition of United Stations Radio Networks' The Lou Dobbs Show:

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    • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (November 05, 2009 5:37 pm ET)
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      Dobbs: "Town hall meetings were for nothing"; Pelosi and Reid are "telling the American people to go straight to hell"
      Nope, just the birthers and teabaggers.

      The definition of "diplomacy" is: Telling someone to go to Hell in such a way that they actually look forward to the trip.
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      • Author by John Paradox (November 05, 2009 10:58 pm ET)
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        I've always remembered it as this:
        * Diplomacy is the art of saying "Nice doggie" until you can find a rock.
        o Will Rogers
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    • Author by magnolialover (November 05, 2009 5:45 pm ET)
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      Except that, the American people or a majority of American people are on board with a public/gov option, and have been since they started talking about having one.
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    • Author by wzwriter (November 05, 2009 5:54 pm ET)
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      Actually, a lot of us have been telling YOU to go there, Louie. I understand Jerry Falwell and D. James Kennedy are saving a place for you...
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    • Author by shaggles (November 05, 2009 6:03 pm ET)
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      The American people want healthcare reform and they want a public option. It is the Republican party, Joe Lieberman and some blue dog dems who are telling them to go to hell.
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      • Author by west0605 (November 06, 2009 3:38 am ET)
           
        Do you have any statistics to back that claim up? The town hall meetings were more animated than the public discourse I've seen regarding the wars. What is driving the watering down of the health care agenda is that a number of Democrats know they'll lose their seats if they vote for public health care. Its not that they are guessing - their phones are ringing off the hook with opposition. The sad part is that Pelosi and Co have to save face by passing something, and we'll end up with a more expensive system than what we have currently. All but the public sector and poor will use private insurance, and the rich will be taxed to support the public option. In ten years we'll be ridding ourselves of the public option, social security, and medicare because the Democrats cant stand and speak as one on arguably their most important agenda item since the 1930s. Its embarrassing
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    • Author by nerzog (November 05, 2009 6:14 pm ET)
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      Just in case you and the other Troglodytes didn't hear it the first time, Lou:

      GO TO HELL.
      GO TO HELL.
      GO TO HELL.
      GO TO HELL.
      GO TO HELL.
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    • Author by fantagor (November 05, 2009 6:25 pm ET)
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      Yes, Lou, you are correct. But that's how one should treat a mob of unreasonable a-holes using healthcare to mask their REAL problem: there's a black man in the White House.

      Randy
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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (November 05, 2009 6:55 pm ET)
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        Dobbs is wrong, the townhalls were not for nothing. The wingnuts were given the opportunity to weigh in on health care reform, and they chose to use this opportunity to sucker a bunch of lunatics into attending and screeching about death panels and other socialist hallucinations.

        The town halls sent a clear message; Republicans don't care about our country or the people, they want to disrupt things to protect the interests of GOP sponsors, using people whose interests are completely different, they just don't know it.

        The Republicans were given their chance, and they decided it would be best to act like spoiled children, the sort that deserve nothing more than being told to go to hell. Now they're crying that they got what they deserved.

        It's getting more and more difficult to hear any of these knotheads use phrases like "the party of personal responsibility" when referring to themselves.
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    • Author by Canadian Observer (November 05, 2009 8:04 pm ET)
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      I just received and email from the American Hotel and Lodging Association asking people to call thier representatives to tell them that we do not want health care reform. One of the points that was mentioned was that people earning over $500K will have an additional 5.4% tax to support the bill. What gives? Being Canadian (pretty proud so I mention it often) I, and most Canadians, find it absolutely amazing that there is any resistance to having a health care plan that helps everybody. I'm tempted to not renew my AHLA membership.
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      • Author by west0605 (November 06, 2009 3:50 am ET)
           
        There are a few reasons that come to mind. One is that Americans are less tolerant of taxation than Canadians, so we've established a sort of tolerable cap on government revenues. Despite this, the American government continues to create entitlements that grow with our aging population. Something has to give - taxes have to rise or entitlements have to fall. Second is that Americans are uniquely concerned with competition, fame, personal accolades, success, independence, etc. For better or worse, the American dream is 'rags to riches' and that mantra draws the interest of like-minded people the world over. Its not for some people, thus the dissent. Because private health care produces better technology and procedures, some prefer the potential for all to access the best care as opposed to the right to access free care
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      • Author by west0605 (November 06, 2009 3:52 am ET)
           
        It comes down to the preference of some that all Americans should have the opportunity to access the best care as opposed to the right of all Americans to access free care
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    • Author by SLRTX (November 05, 2009 8:06 pm ET)
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      Here's the rub, Louy, our government is a "representative democracy", based on Roman democracy, not Greek.

      There's a difference. A difference our founding fathers in all their wisdom was very concerned about. And here are a couple of quotes:

      "James Madison wrote in the Federalist Papers: 'Had every Athenian citizen been a Socrates, every Athenian assembly would still have been a mob . . . History informs of no long-lived republic which had not a senate.'" [first link]

      "Thomas Jefferson, the third President of the United States, further explained that 'A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.'" [second link]

      So Louy, if left to the ignorant cattle driven be the likes of you and Fox, this country would be a total mess. Thank GOD our founders saw fit to set up a REPRESENTATIVE form of government to off-set the mindless twits who vote with their goof-ball notions without a hint of reality in their pea brains!

      We need our Senators and Representatives to use intelligence and FACTS to decide what is best for this country. You and the teabaggers obviously don't have a clue!

      http://www.nytimes.com/1999/07/24/arts/historians-give-romans-better-marks-in-democracy.html

      http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2255185/democracy_a_political_system_that_failed.html?cat=37
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      • Author by SLRTX (November 05, 2009 8:07 pm ET)
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        Oh and Louy...

        GO TO HELL!!!!!!
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      • Author by SLRTX (November 05, 2009 9:12 pm ET)
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        Here's another good quote.

        The Founding Fathers were careful to distinguish representative republicanism from direct democracy. Alexander Hamilton, for example, endorsed the former but condemned the latter. . . .the records of the ratification conventions were not verbatim transcriptions. It has been observed, by an honorable gentleman, that a pure democracy, if it were practicable, would be the most perfect government. Experience has proved that no position in politics is more false than this. The ancient democracies, in which the people themselves deliberated, never possessed one feature of good government. Their very character was tyranny; their figure, deformity. When they assembled, the field of debate presented an ungovernable mob, not only incapable of deliberation, but prepared for every enormity.

        Alexander Hamilton (c.1756 - 1804)
        Source: at the New York convention for constitutional ratification, June 21, 1788

        Source:
        http://www.gaia.com/quotes/1304/the_founding_fathers_were_care/by_alexander_hamilton
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    • Author by princeofwheels (November 05, 2009 8:18 pm ET)
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      All I can add is: WHAT TOOK THEM SO LONG?


      And why is it that when Georgie Boy stuck to his principles and couldn't be swayed by dissent, he was a great leader. Wrong but great in the Cons eyes. When the Dems have the majority of Americans on their side and wanting the same things it is unAmerican. No wonder these people follow Paling and Michelle Bachman.
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      • Author by west0605 (November 06, 2009 4:00 am ET)
           
        The problem is that the Dems cant stick to their principles because they all have different ones and they change all the time. If they stuck to Obama's goal, we'd at least have cheaper health care in the long run. Now we just get a controversial entitlement that will eventually be abolished. Obama is visionary, moderate (despite the accusations otherwise), and I believe genuinely interested in reducing the cost of health care as a primary goal (not universal coverage). The problem is that the Democratic Party cant pull itself together to stand behind the one Dem that can pull anything off. As a close Dem friend noted when I congratulated him on Obama's victory a year ago: "Dont worry. We'll find a way to f*** it all up"
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    • Author by teabaggers ♥ [wing]NUTS (November 06, 2009 9:50 pm ET)
         
      yes, lou, good job. keep telling yourself how dumb you are. the more you repeat it, the more you'll believe it.
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