Beck: "The republic is under siege," White House "full of revolutionaries" that are trying to turn us into Venezuela
October 30, 2009 11:31 am ET
From the October 30 edition of Premiere Radio Network's The Glenn Beck Show:
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its a wonder you will be able to see or hear the revolution, as it would sound very muffled with your head stuck in your own azzzz.
It's time conservatives quit worrying about the small percentage of people who do take advantage of government programs and start caring enough to help those who truly need it.
very typical Republican he is.
I said this the other day on another thread, but I think it bears repeating.
Herman Melville once wrote (paraphrasing here, but getting it right) that one of the most despicable things on earth was for the rich and well-fed to denigrate the poor.
I'm definitely down with that.
How very odd, that I would pick a spot, so familiar to you. I guess it was meant to be. I was only 18 the first time I went there. Honestly, I wasn't sure it was still there.
If it is, the ownership has changed, as Danny McDonald is early forties, at most.
It is a great place, and the inspiration for a riddle: An Irishman and a Greek are going to open a bar; what do they HAVE to name it?
Also the inevitable hangout for my son. His name is Theseus. Long story.
I think you'd have known the difference if you'd gone inside. Their are paintings of scenes from JJ's Ulysses on one wall, and from Homer's Odyssey on another.
The last time I saw Frank McCourt was two Bloomsdays ago, right there. He was reading (fabulously, as usual) the Cave of the Winds Chapter.
You had mentioned Bloomsdays, when Frank died, I assumed it was at the Symphony Space, a more up town affair. It tickles me that I trekked on one of Franks old haunts. I would of loved to have met him.
That is quite a name. My boys have simple Gaelic names. That really became popular after I used them. They were last names of friends. Kyle & Ryan. My nephew was born on June 16, his naming was left to me. I got screams when I suggested Leopold, Ulysses, or Joyce. James was out. That's my maiden name and had been used to death. He got Austin,
Well maybe Jade & I will meet you and Theseus at Ulysses sometime.
Wonder if I will get kicked off for being so far off topic. I did check & there haven't been any new on topic posts anyway.
Austin did all right, in the end. That's an Anglicization of Oisin (u-Sheen), the warrior-poet and son of Fionn MacCumhal (Finn McCool). Yeats wrote a very long epic poem, The Wanderings of Oisin, when he was a young man.
If you've never seen it, check out Into the West. It's a lovely little film, starring Gabriel Byrne, in which the Oisin myth is central.
We're definitely off topic. In deference to other MMFA'ers, if you'd like to continue this conversaton:
redbranchking@gmail.com
I think I get it.....MacNessa? Will e-mail you later. I have to get busy.
Mac Nessa, right.
Which people?
The Secret Service.
Above: Glenn Beck is denied press credentials by the staff at La Casa Blanca (formerly known as The White House).
Wool of bat, and tongue of dog,
Adder's fork, and blind-worm's sting,
Lizard's leg, and howlet's wing,--
For a charm of powerful trouble,
Like a hell-broth boil and bubble.
Before this Hallow's eve dissipates
With Glen Beck we will reciprocate
He speaketh lies is more than addled
We must conceal the simpleton's paddle
Let him not digress to Venezuela
Revive him in a boat on the Monongahela
Lions, Tigers, Bears oh my!
So Beck has his Beckites protesting against affordable healthcare,even though many of them will benefit from it and need it. He has them up in arms about taxes even though most of them will see a tax cut and only the top 2% will see a 3% increase with a return to the pre-Bush rate of 39% from 36%. Hardly the disaster he paints since at that rate (Clinton years)we had great economic expansion and prosperity. You atcually have some tea-baggers protesting against their own interest and for less tax on the wealthy. This despite the fact that the top 2% have own more wealth that the combined lower 50% of the population. Go figure!...Beck and Faux have managed to convince their "faithful" that a community orgainization that works and empowers poor people and minorities, ACORN is a threat to national security. That is no exageration. Yet completely followers of Faux and Beck will against their own interest they take up the defense of the corporations,Halliburton,KBR,Blackwater etc.,. It's really crazy and scary because you have people searching for answers and they are being led down a dangerous path by Beck one that resembles fascism,lets not fool ourselves.
I was thinking about the Bush clan and their followers just the other day. Both the Georges pulled this kind of garbage. GHW Bush sold his opponent (Dukakis) as an ivy league elitist, even though Mike was the son of Greek immigrants and he was the son of a Connecticut Senator, a second (at least) generation Yale Bonesman and a resident of some pricey area of Maine. He started wearing cowboy boots and eating pork rinds to show he was a regular guy, but when the election was over, he put away these things and went back to his Preppie ways. Young GW Bush can't prove that he ever showed up for all of his Guard duty, was a drunk and a punk, as well as being a Prep school educated son of a Congressman, and a third generation Yale Bonesman, but he was fit to command and his opponents (Kerry and Gore) who served in Vietnam, and were wounded, were wusses unfit to be Commander in Chief and the Conservatives bought this load of fertilizer, not once but twice. And both father and son were described by their teachers as unoriginal thinkers (to put it politely.) Ah, the wonderous work of Roger Ailes, Lee Atwater and Karl Rove.
AMEN, epkkik.
Remember that poll where people were asked who they'd rather have a beer at a barbecue with, Bush or Kerry?
Only Ailes and Rove could make having a beer with a recovering alcoholic a litmus test for a presidential candidate . . .
I find that hard to believe. Am I reading the wrong blogs again?
If you disagree say something intelligent to take down the arguement.
Can you refute that Glenn Beck raped and murdered a woman in 1990? You see, these are the way that ill-informed, ignorant children argue. Give us some actual arguments and we will refute them if we can. We cannot refute "We are all under attack! We will soon be taken over by the Body Snatchers! Look out behind you!"
"It should be clear by now that my focus here is not freedom of speech or the press. This freedom is all too often an exaggeration. At the very least, blind references to freedom of speech or the press serve as a distraction from the critical examination of other communications policies.
"The purpose of free speech is warped to protect global corporations and block rules that would promote democratic governance."
I havent even included his comments on Chavez and the Venezuelan news media.
Pres. Obama is appointing people with anti-constitutional views to powerful administrative positions. I can see how this is a 'threat to the republic', and you?
NOW do you get Conchobhar's point?
This "republic, not a democracy" meme is one conservatives love. Their hope, as can be seen in their voter caging campaigns in previous elections and their unceasing attacks on Acorn, is to narrow down the franchise. They are (as, to be fair, were some of the Founders) opposed to democracy, equating it with mob rule. Of course, they're quite good at using mob tactics, witness John Bolton and his white shirt cohorts intimidation of the vote counters in Florida.
A democratic republic means that the majority gets to govern within the confines of the rules (Constitution).
Sounds like we agree on the form of government we have.
I dont like having people with anti-constitutional views in a position to affect, change or alter those rights (through legislation, regulation, fees, etc). I guess you arent worried, dont see a threat or dont care.
I think if the shoe was on the other foot, you would care and actually I still would too. After GW, I'm actually more ticked off at Repubs than Dems and on my way toward Libertarian but thats another story.
My problem with the right, in addition to the vitriolic mendacity we hear daily, is the double standard. It seems that they just discovered the Constitution. While the Preamble doesn't have the force of law it does, to me, lay down the philosophical basis for what follows. I therefore do believe that the government has a powerful role to play in "securing the blessings of liberty for ourselves and our posterity." I also have a more expansive view of "ourselves" than conservatives seem to have.
Your first paragraph made me think for a moment that we have some principled beliefs that are similar.
Your second paragraph makes me wonder if your interest is more based upon the 'collective' and having a bigger government that will legislate you into 'security' and take care of problems whereas my interst is more focused on indvidual rights and freedoms (a smaller government would be nice).
Were you quoting someone with "securing the blessings of liberty.........."? Just wondering.
Thanks for the exchange.
I think shaggles summed it up pretty well above:
To which I'd like to add: "duh."
What are Obama's proposed amendments to the Constitution? Do you think he has the support of 3/4 of the state legislatures that he needs?
Which of your personal rights and liberties have you lost under the Obama Administration? Which ones do you feel are in jeopardy?
If America is being turned into Venezuela, which TV stations and networks has Obama shut down so far?
Mark Lloyd - Freedom of Speach, Freedom of the Press
Cass Sunstien - Right to keep and bear arms.
Sunstien wrote a book called 'Nudge'. This technique if pushed forward can eliminate someones rights by picking at it around the edges through legislation, fees, restrictions, etc.
As for TV stations, he gets all of the positive press he needs from all but one :)
Here is the definition of 'revolutionary' - of, pertaining to, characterized by, or of the nature of a revolution, or a sudden, complete, or marked change: a revolutionary junta.
2. radically new or innovative; outside or beyond established procedure, principles, etc.: a revolutionary discovery.
And what is a revolution? an overthrow or repudiation and the thorough replacement of an established government or political system by the people governed.
Plainly put, a revolution is not born from within the government, especially one that was elected by the people, no matter how much you and Beck try to redefine it. You think that Beck was really saying that Obama is "radically new and innovative?" Give me a break.
You have not refuted the quotes of Mark Lloyd. Maybe you dont care about his beliefs because you are in favor of the party currently in power. But if those rights are regulated or 'nudged' (Sunstein's specialty) out of existence, you will care when the party that you oppose is in power.
Do you care that Cass Sunstein doesnt believe in the right to keep and bear arms? Here is his quote.
- As late as 1980, it would have been preposterous to argue that the Second Amendment creates an individual right to own guns, and no federal court invalidated a gun control restriction on Second Amendment grounds until 2007. Yet countless Americans politicians, in recent years, have acknowledged that they respect the
individual right to bear arms, at least in general terms. Their views are a product of the energetic efforts of meaning entrepreneurs – some from the National Rifle Association, who have press a particular view of the Second Amendment.
I get that you dont like the word 'revolutionary'. How about we call people working in the White House thay dont believe in Constititional rights 'radicals' instead?
I don't care what Sunstein or anyone else has said, I want to know how he's going to pull off our transformation into Venezuela.
He has said that we ought to ban hunting. He is totally anti-gun and has some strange beliefs about animals.
He once said “We could even grant animals a right to bring suit without insisting that animals are
persons, or that they are not property. A state could certainly confer rights on a pristine
area, or a painting, and allow people to bring suit on its behalf, without therefore saying
that that area and that painting may not be owned. It might, in these circumstances, seem puzzling that so many people are focusing on the question of whether animals are property. We could retain the idea of property but also give animals far more protection against injury or neglect of their interests.”
I think we were already on the road to 'Venezuala' before Pres. Obama. However some of the people he has appointed make me think that we are moving into the express lane.
I find the statements controversial.
I'd rather not have people with such views in positions that can change or diminish our rights.
Yes Pete, no rights have been taken away or regulated away yet. You are apparently willing to wait until after it has been, dont care, arent worried, trust the government or dont want those freedoms.
I appreciate the discussion though. Nice to toss perspectives back and forth without insults.