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Defending Limbaugh, Fox's Kristol declares: "Thank God most of the workforce isn't unionized"

October 18, 2009 2:54 pm ET

From the October 18 edition of Fox Broadcasting Co.'s Fox News Sunday:

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    • Author by ReasonAndResolve (October 18, 2009 3:04 pm ET)
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      Would this guy even have a job if Fox was not around?
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      • Author by garygnu (October 18, 2009 4:11 pm ET)
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        Yeah, he runs a magazine.

        Funny how ill informed many of the posters are on Media Maters.
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        • Author by ReasonAndResolve (October 19, 2009 1:01 am ET)
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          If you can call that rag an actual magazine. Funny how people like you jump to conclusions all the time. I know more about Bill Kristol and his father than you might think - and I know that he is as full of it as most so-called conservatives.
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        • Author by skatscan5624 (October 19, 2009 4:17 am ET)
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          He runs a magazine that doesn't make money that his father created. So would he have a REAL job if Fox wasn't around?
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        • Author by carlileb5935 (October 19, 2009 4:18 am ET)
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          Yeah, he runs a magazine.

          Daddy ran a magazine.
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        • Author by bintx (October 19, 2009 10:44 am ET)
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          He has a magazine and a think tank to run.

          Since you seem to be SO informed about William Kristol, I'm sure you know that his father, Irving, was considered the "Godfather of American Neo-conservatism" which was formerly called "neo-classical liberalism." I'm sure you also know that Kristol was head of the PNAC, the neo-conservative think tank which PUSHED the unnecessary invasion of Iraq on Bill Clinton in 1998, and then, once they got Bush the puppet installed, got many of their guiding members ensconced in the first Bush Administration. Paul Wolfowitz, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Perle, David Frum, Douglas Feith, etc. In one of the most infamous portions of the most odious of the PNAC's writings, the statement was made that invading Iraq would be a tough sell unless we experienced a "Pearl Harbor-like" event . . . their DREAMS were answered on 9/11/01. They used the deaths of 3000 people to push their "dream war."

          I know ALL about Mr. Kristol, apparently, you don't.
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        • Author by mjh (October 19, 2009 11:21 am ET)
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          Billy Kristol? Yeah, I remember him -- he USED to be a columnist for that librul rag, the New York Times . . . until this past January, when they fired him for sloppy writing.

          So basically, without the Fox Comedy Channel, Kristol would be just another unemployed hack living off the gov't teat . . .

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      • Author by bob139 (October 19, 2009 12:18 am ET)
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        Doesn't Kristol seem like the kind of guy that would absolutely not go on a blind date unless he could first see a picture of the girl? And then explaining his reasons as having her best interests in mind... not wanting her to have a bad evening...
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        • Author by soze169880 (October 19, 2009 9:44 am ET)
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          Well, I think he'd probably just shoot himself in the foot by going on Fox to announce how confident he was that she was a supermodel and didn't have herpes.
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      • Author by nerd cred (October 19, 2009 10:25 am ET)
           
        Sure he would. He's got parents.
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    • Author by Bad News (October 18, 2009 3:26 pm ET)
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      Bill Kristol, A Defense Hawk who never served one day in the Military.
      I'm sure Mr. Kristol would say America is "Less Safe" but of course his Participation is not Necessary.
      It's been said that "A Coward Has The Loudest Voice"
      I hear you "Loud & Clear" Mr. Kristol as if i had a Choice.

      Speak truth to power.


      Mr. News
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      • Author by mari2jj2970 (October 18, 2009 6:20 pm ET)
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        Yes, I note that all these zeig heil folks seem to be so pro-military intervention, but alas, how few of them ever served themselves. Obviously, their point of views says, send the military to their slaughter but for heaven's sake, DO NOT expect me to serve. Yep, they are full of bluster all the while the sit comfortably in their nice padded back sides in their comfortable chairs (Ummm some with far more cushion on their back side than others, too.).
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        • Author by Bad News (October 18, 2009 7:38 pm ET)
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          Mari2jj2970 Thank you for your reply to my poetic post.
          Your reply will not be forgotten & is kinder than most.
          I wish you & your family happy holidays and i offer a symbolic toast.
          "To Mari2jj2970 a person that cares for others & doesn't require a roast"

          Speak truth to power.


          Mr. News
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      • Author by puppienrainbows (October 19, 2009 1:41 pm ET)
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        It's not "A coward has the loudest voice", It's " An empty can makes the most noise". You, mr. news, are the emptiest of cans!
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    • Author by thundavolt (October 18, 2009 3:32 pm ET)
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      Juan is missing he point. To be liberal or conservative is a matter of choice. To be black or white is not a matter of choice. Attacking people and dividing them on the basis of skin color will never be acceptable to any degree. People can debate political ideologies all day and even change positions, but you can't do that about your race.

      Rush uses something that people cannot change against them and his own buddies, not the NFL, saw this as a problem for their bid, If they they did not see this as a problem that they could argue effectively against they would not have kicked him to the curb. Everyone else just reminded them about the character of a person who was playing on their team. The President had nothing to do with this.
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      • Author by PunditHater (October 18, 2009 4:52 pm ET)
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        I totally agree with you. Juan Williams, in his attempt to keep his job at Faux News, tries to find parity where there's none. He knows that they only way for him to survive at Faux News as a journalist who happens to be black, he needs to bash blacks, be the gate-keeper or cover for real Faux News. It saddens me! When I saw him this morning, as I always do every Sunday to see his waffling, I thought to myself, this is the guy that stood in the ports selling black people to slavery to make his buck. I know it is over the top, but, think about it; Juan is trying to keep his job, trying to make a buck, same were those people. He always feel the need to be "balanced" and that is why they keep him at Faux news. His co-pundits don't even think highly of him, they always smile when he makes his arguments, then waffle and ergue against himself. He really ticks me off.
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        • Author by carlileb5935 (October 19, 2009 4:22 am ET)
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          He knows that they only way for him to survive at Faux News as a journalist who happens to be black,

          One out of two ain't bad.
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      • Author by Independent in AZ (October 18, 2009 7:37 pm ET)
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        I hope it's just a poor choice of wording, but "Rush uses something that people cannot change...?" Are you saying people would/should change their color of the skin if they could?
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        • Author by DellDolly (October 18, 2009 11:50 pm ET)
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          What are you talking about?

          Some things can be changed, like political philosophy.

          Some things cannot be changed, like one's race, or skin color.

          Rush has used personal characteristics against people in an unfair way.
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        • Author by Brabantio (October 19, 2009 12:00 am ET)
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          I don't see the problem with that wording. It was made very clear in the first paragraph that racism and/or race baiting is wrong precisely because people can't change skin color, as opposed to something like ideology. The phrasing ties into that.
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        • Author by papa bear3 (October 19, 2009 12:57 am ET)
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          there was a time when when we tried, tanning salons are doing big business these days, In Asia there is plastic surgery to make eyes less "slanted and more round" like Westerners. My neighbors 13 year-old daughter in an attempt to fit in with her white friends dyed her her hair blonde and tried to lighten her skin. . .


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        • Author by captfoster2 (October 19, 2009 8:58 am ET)
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          Are you saying people would/should change their color of the skin if they could?

          This has to be one of the most idiotic interpretations of something said that I have ever read in my life!!

          What kind of a so called 'independent' could be so ignorant as to come up with that as a potential reason to what thundavolt said???

          Rush is a racist, through and through! I used to think that Rush's little radio act was just that, an act (like Ann Coulter?) but the moment Barack Obama became a viable candidate back in early 2008...

          What ever assumptions I had about Rush just doing a job instead of spewing his true self disappeared rather quickly at that point!
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    • Author by magnolialover (October 18, 2009 4:55 pm ET)
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      Let's see. If we didn't have unions, we wouldn't have the following (or would have had these things a lot later on down the line):

      1. 40 hour work week.
      2. Overtime pay.
      3. Non-child labor force.
      4. Health insurance benefits.
      5. Good working conditions instead of ones that get you killed.

      And so on, and so forth.
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      • Author by usp (October 18, 2009 6:34 pm ET)
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        weekends?
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        • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (October 19, 2009 1:09 am ET)
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          Har ! Some weekend hater gave you a thumbs down, usp.
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          • Author by soze169880 (October 19, 2009 9:44 am ET)
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            And you. Jeez, is the Friday Liberation Front trolling us now?
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            • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (October 19, 2009 11:44 am ET)
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              I imagine the weekends are tough for the Dittoheads. Two whole days without Boss Hogg telling them what to think.
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        • Author by magnolialover (October 19, 2009 8:13 am ET)
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          Covered by the 40 hour work week I assume. And you got a thumbs down for mentioning the weekend? Wow, just wow.. I guess, as the Col said, we got ourselves a weekend hater roaming around here.
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          • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (October 19, 2009 12:56 pm ET)
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            We have two. And they're cowards, also.

            Drive-by cowardly thumbs-down weekend haters.
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      • Author by christopher howard (October 18, 2009 7:04 pm ET)
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        Very true. If you are a worker in the US and enjoy those things you listed, you should be thanking those evil unions every day. Unfortunately, most Americans do not know the long history of the labor struggle that has given them those benefits. Over the past 30 years or more, most of that history has been erased from the public memory. Workers who pooh-pooh labor in this country remind me somewhat of women who enjoy rights unprecedented in earlier times, while strongly insisting "but I'm not a feminist."
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        • Author by magnolialover (October 18, 2009 10:11 pm ET)
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          The biggest reason I'm a supporter of unions was that when I was growing up, my Dad, and his fellow union brothers went out on strike after the company they worked for totally screwed them on their new contract, so they walked.

          During the 3 months they were without income, union members all looked out for one another, made sure everyone had enough food, clothes for school, school equipment, and so on for their kids, and essentially held out until the company gave in and compromised with them. They of course, didn't get everything that they were looking for, but they did get back a lot of what they had lost.

          Also, during that same strike, while the company was bringing in strikebreakers, also known as "scabs" the company's private security force actually waded into the picket lines, and started cracking heads with their billy clubs to "make way" for the buses coming into the mill with the replacement workers. Picketers weren't doing anything illegal, and were on public property, but alas, about 20 guys got their heads cracked.

          So, yeah, unions provide a lot of what we've got now in the form of labor laws, and some folks are quick to put them down, even though they have benefitted (literally in some cases) from the blood that was spilled (read about the early years of unions and strikes).

          I'd even bet, since Kristol is on TV a lot, and a writer, he's probably PART of and a member IN a union.
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          • Author by Boxer1979 (October 19, 2009 1:05 pm ET)
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            I bet he is apart of a union also. The problem with these ignorant so-called conservatives is that they complain about everything they think is wrong, but they are a member of or using the same things they are complaining about. Kind of like saying for the government to stay out of my health care, but have Medicare! LOL!
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        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (October 19, 2009 12:58 pm ET)
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          Workers who pooh-pooh labor in this country remind me somewhat of women who enjoy rights unprecedented in earlier times, while strongly insisting "but I'm not a feminist."
          Or you have hypocrites like Phyllis Schlafly, who flies all over the country to tell women that their place is in the home.
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      • Author by captfoster2 (October 19, 2009 9:13 am ET)
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        magnolialover

        Considering what you wrote... kinda makes one wonder who the jerk was who gave you a thumbs down?
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    • Author by teabaggers ♥ [wing]NUTS (October 18, 2009 6:50 pm ET)
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      wtf juan, you need to make up your mind. youre either defending conservatives or youre defending liberals.

      friday, on "the factor", you were all up in limbaugh's backside making stupid allegations, and here, you are defending keith olbermann and msnbc??? i think its great that you come to keith's defense, but you go from one dynamic to the other. i dont get it.
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    • Author by dimes (October 18, 2009 8:20 pm ET)
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      Bill Kristol skeeves me. I can't listen or watch him because his creepiness factor is off the chart.

      I wonder if Fox has ever run his Q score. He's gotta be way, way down there.
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    • Author by Cheney2012 (October 18, 2009 9:01 pm ET)
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      Amen Bill.

      Unions are the destroyer of incentive, wealth, jobs and business.

      Liberals would applaud that, under the flawed thinking that we can have a successful economy, i.e. free society, without those 4 things,
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      • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (October 18, 2009 9:26 pm ET)
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        CHENEY, you are as dumb as that idiot KRYSTOL.
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      • Author by pilotx (October 18, 2009 9:44 pm ET)
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        Well my union pushes for safety and benefits for us working stiffs. As an airline pilot I could not imagine working at a non-union airline. I just did a career fair the other day sponsored by our union and will be doing one at my old h.s. They are providing me with all types of materials tO educate our youth about aviation. Both of my parents were union workers and were able to feed, clothe and educate my sister and me. If those are wrong I don't wanna be right;)
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      • Author by worrierking (October 18, 2009 9:52 pm ET)
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        How do you explain the economic expansion after World War II and the fact that hourly, working people were able to become part of the middle class.

        There's no such thing as a free society. Everyone has to work together to provide for the common good. That work is the price we pay for our society.

        The right denies biological Darwinism at the same time that they promote economic Darwinism.
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      • Author by christopher howard (October 18, 2009 11:33 pm ET)
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        "Unions are the destroyer of incentive, wealth, jobs and business.

        Liberals would applaud that, under the flawed thinking that we can have a successful economy, i.e. free society, without those 4 things,"

        I'm a liberal and I don't think anything of the sort regarding those four things and a successful economy. Obviously you don't know as much about liberalism as you think you do.

        Also I noticed you conflated a successful economy with a free society. The two are not the same thing at all; just ask the Chinese.
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        • Author by wookie (October 19, 2009 10:34 am ET)
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          Yep, and of course by incentive and wealth he is refering to what management wants and not getting the best deal for the people who actually make the products.
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      • Author by mjh (October 19, 2009 1:39 am ET)
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        "Unions are the destroyer of incentive, wealth, jobs and business." -- CheneySentencedIn2012


        Shooter's right. That explains why twenty states had union membership rates above the US average.


        [http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s183/mattNGTV/royal-fail.jpg]

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      • Author by skatscan5624 (October 19, 2009 4:22 am ET)
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        Our economy was at its peak when the unions were at its peak in the 50's and 60's. Manufacturing was at and all time high. When Reagan took on the unions and made us become a non union country, other countries standards of livings skyrocketed past us. They have stronger unions.
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      • Author by teabaggers ♥ [wing]NUTS (October 19, 2009 6:36 am ET)
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        so liberals would applaud america for not having jobs, business and being broke?

        and your evidence for this is...
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        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (October 19, 2009 1:57 pm ET)
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          ...still up his ass, from where he hasn't pulled it yet.
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      • Author by captfoster2 (October 19, 2009 9:19 am ET)
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        Awe....

        It seems that Cheney2012 gave himself a thumbs up, since no one else would!

        I think I now know who gave magnolialover a thumbs down a few posts above for his pro-union stance.

        You are so predicable Cheney2012
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    • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (October 18, 2009 9:18 pm ET)
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      Yeah BILL,unions are so evil for people like you.All unions have done is help build this country's middle class. and defend and protect rank and file workers.But BILLY BOY dosen't care about the middle class,all he cares about are his rich pals. He's such a dumb a--.
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    • Author by Jesseb37 (October 18, 2009 9:58 pm ET)
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      Ya, thank god that only 12% of the workforce is unionized. It's completely fair that the disparity between the CEO and the average working American is 450 to 1. The highest it's been since the 1920's. It also destroys the country that unionized workers earn more and receive better health coverage. BTW, when union participation was at its highest the disparity between the CEO and the average working American was 1 to 75, another dreadful...
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    • Author by flsun22 (October 18, 2009 10:00 pm ET)
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      Hey Juan....the difference between Limbaugh and Olbermann is the fact that Olbermann has never said a racist thing.....EVER!!!!
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      • Author by captfoster2 (October 19, 2009 9:35 am ET)
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        flsun22

        As it pertains to KO's show... your correct. If he ever spoke a racist remark, I don't recall it. Perhaps one of the right-wing trolls who lurks around here might be so willing to find a racist remark coming from KO??

        The big huge difference however between people like KO and Rush speaking racist thoughts, is Rush believes it, lives it, and makes money using his racism, where KO does not.
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      • Author by mjh (October 19, 2009 11:29 am ET)
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        One other difference:

        Olbermann once reported on the NFL.
        Limpballs tried to buy into the NFL.

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    • Author by bob139 (October 19, 2009 12:13 am ET)
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      Williams' comparing Olberman to Limbaugh is disengenuous, if not simply stupid. But, that type of incorrect commentary is all too common on Fox. Yes, Olberman takes on the right wing lies and Republican hypocrocy night after night. But he does not get down into the mud, as does Limbaugh. The mud is where Limbaugh resides.

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    • Author by kb8nfu (October 19, 2009 3:32 am ET)
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      Might want to pay special attention to this, you Union people are about to be taxed for your premium health care packages.
      What ever happened to "I will not raise taxes on the middle class." Well that's really assuring to know all those Union employees are lower than "middle class".

      blake_braesicke@netzero.net
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    • Author by HistoricallyCorrect (October 19, 2009 9:31 am ET)
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      Yes thank god, so the CEOs can continue to make 300 times more than the regular worker.
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