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Buchanan attacks Sharpton for getting Imus "dropped off the air for two words at 6:15 in the morning"

October 15, 2009 6:55 pm ET

From the October 15 edition of Hardball:

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Previously:

Buchanan on Hardball: Imus was "more a victim of hatred than a perpetrator of hatred"

Pat Buchanan on Imus: "[T]he court of elite opinion ... pandering to the mob, lynched him"

Media figures continue to describe Imus firing as "lynching"

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    • Author by all your eyes (October 15, 2009 7:16 pm ET)
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      Buchanan is kind of right here, to be honest. Rush should be fired.
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      • Author by mary59 (October 15, 2009 7:40 pm ET)
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        I just imagine that they eventually will get so full of hot air that they'll rise up like hot air balloons and disappear into the ozone layer. One can dream, eh?
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        • Author by snoopy (October 15, 2009 8:41 pm ET)
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          The last time someone took a WMD and attached it to a hot air balloon was Japan during WW2. I don't think it a good idea to firebomb our allies in europe at this time, mary!
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          • Author by oscar the grouch (October 15, 2009 9:28 pm ET)
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            Think that attempt may have landed in Mary's state, if history and memory serve me correctly. (not a put down, Mary, just a historical tidbit).
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            • Author by mary59 (October 16, 2009 12:20 pm ET)
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              I think you're right. And dang it, snoop, hadn't thought of that. We'd better deal with 'em on the ground. How about turning them into giant blueberries?
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        • Author by John Paradox (October 16, 2009 1:43 am ET)
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          What if they catch fire, like the Hindenburg? [recalls Limbaugh joke]

          Oh, the Punditry!!
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    • Author by rkallen09 (October 15, 2009 7:27 pm ET)
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      Isn't "nappy headed ho's," three words?

      The point was never about him saying those words or at what time he said them, Mr. Buchanan. It was the group of young women those words were targeted towards that the general public found so outrageous. It was never about Imus' freedom of speech but about the absolute disrespect that he demonstrated for those ladies.

      He was free to say it... just like we are free to call him on saying it and advertisers are free to pull their support of him for saying it. He deserved everything that happened to him.
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      • Author by Byte Man (October 15, 2009 7:34 pm ET)
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        Isn't "nappy headed ho's," three words?


        Nappy-headed is hyphenated, actually.

        The problem with the First Amendment-ers is that it applies to anything. It doesn't. There ARE limits:

        1) It ONLY protects you from the Government punishing you for speaking out against it.

        2) It does NOT apply to employers.

        3) It does NOT apply to people being denied opportunities due to racist comments.

        4) It does NOT apply in cases of slander and libel.

        Because of this, Limbaugh and imus's employers are free to terminate their services whenever they choose, free from lawsuits from those targeted.

        Now, if only Premiere Radio Networks would fire Limbaugh...*wishing, praying*
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        • Author by DAWUSS (October 15, 2009 10:02 pm ET)
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          1) It ONLY protects you from the Government punishing you for speaking out against it.

          Nope. Only Congress.
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          • Author by John Paradox (October 16, 2009 1:44 am ET)
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            Which brings up the question of Executive Orders.....
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          • Author by Byte Man (October 16, 2009 2:30 pm ET)
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            And Congress is NOT a part of the government?

            And the award for "Best Retort that Proves Nothing" goes to...
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          • Author by jibal (October 18, 2009 3:52 pm ET)
               
            Basic civics: Congress legislates, the Executive implements -- which includes punishing. i.e., your comment is wrong and pointless.
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      • Author by manofmystique (October 15, 2009 7:39 pm ET)
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        Great comments!!!, you covered just about everything. I missed that exchange between Pat and Al. I would have loved to see it. Mr. Buchanan is no better than neither one of those racist characters (Imus and Limbaugh).
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          • Author by michaeldgiles4407 (October 15, 2009 9:49 pm ET)
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            So, Imus isn't a racist because he does charitable work? Is this a play on "but some of my best friends are black!" You don't call young women unknown to you as "ho's".

            I don't need no stinkin' links! I was watching ESPN when Limpbaugh made his racist (and erroneous) claim that McNabb was being hyped because the media wanted a "black sports hero". Since race wasn't even involved in the discussion, why did he feel the need to bring it up?

            At least the left is consistent; when David Schuster accused Hillary of "pimping out" her daughter, he was taken off the air.

            Finally, your defense of "Well, you guys do it to!" Is reminiscent of my 4 year old.
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            • Author by highliter (October 16, 2009 8:51 am ET)
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              Wow you Rush quote is so far off it not even funny why dont you look it up and try again.
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              • Author by vysotsky (October 16, 2009 9:35 am ET)
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                Quite right, highliter, Limbaugh never said "black sports hero." Otherwise, michaeldgiles4407's characterization of Limbaugh's remarks seems accurate.

                Limbaugh: "Sorry to say this, I don't think he's been that good from the get-go ... I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. There is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn't deserve. The defense carried this team."
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                • Author by highliter (October 16, 2009 11:39 am ET)
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                  Ok how does praising a defense for caring the team, a defense that is full of black players racists. He never said or implied that McNabb was a bad quarterback because he was inferior because he was black. He simple was stating that there was a desire by some in the media for successful black quarterback so in his opinion they were overrating McNabb.

                  It perfectly fine however for Joe Morgan to say that he wished he could of played for a black manager and he bets most black players did to.

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                  • Author by mary59 (October 16, 2009 12:27 pm ET)
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                    You're ignoring the fact that Limpballs brought race up in the discussion without any reason to do so. He obsesses about race and it's clear from his body of work that he's uncomfortable with people of color.
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                    • Author by highliter (October 16, 2009 12:30 pm ET)
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                      You ignored ever part of my post. You addressed nothing good job deflecting from what he actually said and meant.
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                      • Author by mary59 (October 16, 2009 3:14 pm ET)
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                        Vysotsky made the point below better than I. Please read it carefully.
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                      • Author by jibal (October 18, 2009 3:55 pm ET)
                           
                        Your ability to discern what Rush Limbaugh means is apparently nonexistent.
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                  • Author by mjh (October 16, 2009 12:46 pm ET)
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                    "He never said or implied that McNabb was a bad quarterback because he was inferior because he was black." -- lowlighter


                    Um, lowlighter -- what part of

                    Limbaugh: "Sorry to say this, I don't think he's been that good from the get-go ... I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well.

                    are you having trouble understanding?

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                    • Author by highliter (October 16, 2009 12:52 pm ET)
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                      No but apparently you do. He stated McNabb was being Overrated because he was black. Not that since he was black he was a bad quarterback. I think you need some reading comp lessons.
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                      • Author by vysotsky (October 16, 2009 1:05 pm ET)
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                        You just answered the question "What part of [this quote] are you having trouble understanding?" with "No but apparently you do."

                        You're not in the best position to suggest that anyone else needs reading comprehension lessons.
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                  • Author by vysotsky (October 16, 2009 1:01 pm ET)
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                    "He never said or implied that McNabb was a bad quarterback because he was inferior because he was black."

                    No, what Limbaugh argued without any statistics or evidence of any kind was that however good McNabb was or wasn't, McNabb was getting credit he didn't deserve because he was black. Limbaugh was denying the man credit for his own successes by claiming that the color of his skin inflated his achievements.
                    He simple [sic] was stating that there was a desire by some in the media for successful black quarterback so in his opinion they were overrating McNabb.

                    In 2003? Was there any actual evidence of such pressure from the media? Who in the media is on record saying, "Hey, we want a black quarterback even if he's not the most talented!"?

                    Oh and by the way, I don't expect you to apologize, but you could at least be civil and acknowledge that besides the attribution of the phrase "black sports hero" to Limbaugh, michaeldgiles4407's characterization of Limbaugh's comment on ESPN was fair and not, as you chided, "so far off it [sic] not even funny".
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                    • Author by highliter (October 16, 2009 3:30 pm ET)
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                      Your right besides content, context and actual meaning he was spot on.
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                      • Author by vysotsky (October 17, 2009 1:04 am ET)
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                        Fine. Since you declined to respond to most of my answer, let's deal with this.

                        Here's michaeldgiles4407's characterization of Limbaugh's comment:

                        "I was watching ESPN when Limpbaugh made his racist (and erroneous) claim that McNabb was being hyped because the media wanted a "black sports hero". "

                        Here's your version:
                        " He simple was stating that there was a desire by some in the media for successful black quarterback so in is opinion they were overrating McNabb."

                        If you take issue with michaeldgiles4407's description of Limbaugh's comments, why did you write a description that agrees with his?
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        • Author by oscar the grouch (October 15, 2009 9:29 pm ET)
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          Thanks for clarifying, thought you might be referring to Jackson and Sharpton.
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      • Author by mjh (October 15, 2009 7:59 pm ET)
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        "He was free to say it... just like we are free to call him on saying it and advertisers are free to pull their support of him for saying it. He deserved everything that happened to him."


        Exactly, rkallen.

        Poor Pat -- doesn't seem to realize that it wasn't Sharpton who got Imus dropped off the air -- it was the free market system neoKKKons so love in action that did . . .

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    • Author by haywood jabuzoff (October 15, 2009 7:54 pm ET)
         
      Byte Man's post is well taken. If any of us walked in to a restaurant and insulted 70% of the patrons, you could bet the owner would kick our tukkis out in no time. Such has just happened to the fat head!
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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (October 15, 2009 10:34 pm ET)
         
      Buchanan still has a contract ? I thought I got rid of him.
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    • Author by achorn316 (October 15, 2009 11:48 pm ET)
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      Is there any horrible person Buchanan wont defend?
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      • Author by mary59 (October 16, 2009 3:16 pm ET)
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        Well, he won't defend Satan, but that's because he's still just flirting with him.
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    • Author by Brabantio (October 16, 2009 12:14 am ET)
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      What's the time threshold for offensive comments? Is anything said before 6:30 in the morning fair play or something? I'm also wondering if the number of words really has any relevance. It would seem that someone saying the n-word on the air at three in the morning would get a pass by this logic. "ONE WORD in the middle of the night! Who cares?"

      Bending over backwards to defend racially offensive comments is pretty much what I expect from Buchanan. I just love the tone:"Are you proud of what you did..." Oh, the shame one must feel for boycotting an idiot must be overwhelming, indeed!
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      • Author by John Paradox (October 16, 2009 1:48 am ET)
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        What's the time threshold for offensive comments?

        I believe 'booger' is acceptable.

        WKRP, Cincinnati
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        • Author by snoopy (October 16, 2009 8:22 am ET)
             
          Hey now, I'm WKRP in Cincinnati!
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          • Author by John Paradox (October 16, 2009 10:02 am ET)
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            My condolences.

            ;)

            Actually, most of the radio stations I worked for were pretty much like WKRP (some were even weirder)
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    • Author by Uber_Con (October 16, 2009 3:30 am ET)
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      Sharpton is nothing but a racist, race-baiting, useful idiot. If it weren't for him keeping the black man down by insisting he is a victim, Sharpton would serve no purpose other than a carbon footprint (which all you leftwing/progressive panty-waists despise)
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    • Author by bluestate69 (October 16, 2009 3:39 am ET)
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      i think imus got a raw deal. he should have been suspended,but not fired. he's a shock jock. however, now the right is talking about "blacklisting" because rush couldn't buy the rams. i totally disagree with that assessment. a better example of blacklisting was not letting our kids listen to a speech by the president of the united states.
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    • Author by pilotx (October 16, 2009 4:37 am ET)
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      I don't think Don Imus is a racist but calling Black female college students ho's isn't EVER a good career move. I fyou don;t believe me go to a college and find a Black female student and call her a ho and watch what happens. I would be fired if I refered to a female coworker as a ho so if Don wasn't smart enough to know that well.........I also don't think Skip Gates is a racist. He got home after a 20 hour flight and was tired. In that situation I would have also cussed out a cop who wouldn't leave my home after establishing the fact I owned the joint. Rev. Wright isn't a racist but if he did talk about rich white people he shouldn't have done that. Prez Obama defintiely isn't a racist. I will say Biden was out of line with his comment about Indians and if he hasn't he needs to apologize.
      Then again who better to discuss racial matters than Pat Buchanan? Urgh.
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      • Author by papa bear3 (October 16, 2009 5:24 am ET)
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        I think Imus got caught for his "body of work" over the years. He and his engineer Bernard McGuirk had pandered to elements in their audience with these sophmoric innuendos and out right racist jabs,

        Imus would suggest something and McGuirk would carry through with his barbed comments freeing Imus to play the indignant observer strait man.

        Imus admitted his culpability and apologized but McGuirk continues unabashed.

        Their material is old.
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        • Author by worrierking (October 16, 2009 9:10 am ET)
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          Exactly. For years, Imus got away with playing the almost offended host when one of his flunkies would make an outright racist remark. It's a game that many in the media play. O'Reilly does it almost every day. He'll allow his guest to make the most outrageous comments and charges as he appears to be the voice of reason.

          It's a tactic that absolves the host, while still allowing the racist buffoons to do their act.

          Imus and O'Reilly often slip onto the other side and appear to be racist themselves when they get further into the story. It's bad enough when they use prominent people in their routines but when they drag college basketball players into their games it crosses a line. When that type of line is crossed, there must be accountability.

          Any commercially supported broadcast runs the risk of losing advertisers when the host dances on the edge. If they want to play that game they're the ones who wind up losing.

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    • Author by shaggles (October 16, 2009 11:02 am ET)
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      What is he saying? It would have never happened if it wasn't for Sharpton? Please.
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