Echo chamber: Limbaugh cites Fox Business segment to describe attempt to limit CO2 as a "hoax"
October 09, 2009 3:33 pm ET
From the October 9 edition of Premiere Radio Network's The Rush Limbaugh Show:
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All obama has to do with environmental reform is give congress a number and say I dont care in the world how you get carbon emissions down to this number - with tax, subsidy, trade, free-market, government regulation, a pat on the back, taking everyone out to chucky cheese - not concerned about specifics in the slightest but I want carbon emissions reduced by this much in this many years and before i sign, I need to know how the bill does it. Much like healthcare where he had goals but healthcare had like 30 goals and environmental reform has one - decrease atmospheric carbon so that america can prove to Europe it isnt run by corporations without tanking the economy - a fine balance that seems presently lacking. It sounds simple enough but I have so little faith left in our legislature I cant imagine they pass anything that does enough to have a significant affect.
I hope europe starts pressuing the US hard for this reform because we are NEVER going to get it done on our own and the added benefit of a global problem is that we have all these liberal nations that have interest in pushing our conservative wasteland across the finish line, what a joke that congress doesn't have the motivation to attempt to reverse catastrophic climate change that could threaten the entire world and requires global cooperation.
i KNOW jOE wilson is still waiting at the mcdonalds drive thru.
All obama has to do with environmental reform is give congress a number and say I dont care in the world how you get carbon emissions down to this number...
Oh, he and the legislature have plenty of ideas and Obama's fingerprints are all over the cap-and-trade debacle. Remember, he's the dude that used the unfortunate phrase, "Under my plan of a cap and trade system electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket." Don't think they don't know what they were trying to ram through with ACES.
[E]vironmental reform has one [goal] - decrease atmospheric carbon so that america can prove to Europe it isnt run by corporations without tanking the economy - a fine balance that seems presently lacking.
Without tanking the economy? Presently lacking indeed. Maybe presently impossible is a better choice of words. All cap and trade incarnations have a common result: a heavily damaged economy. I like the CBO's ways of saying it in the footnotes of their infamous "$175" report. Phrases like "potential decrease in [GDP]" and "reductions in real wages" and " potential reductions in the productivity of capital and labor" and "the cost of obtaining allowances would be passed into prices in most cases because that cost would raise firms’ variable production costs." All music to a socialist's ears!
And I can't let "so that america can prove to Europe" go without comment. What on Earth does the U.S. have to prove to Europe? I emigrated to the U.S. as a child from under the thumb of a European dictator who has since been replaced by socialists (kind of a trend in those parts). No thanks. I'll take America, warts and all, over the European model (of disaster). Speaking of disaster...
...reverse catastrophic climate change that could threaten the entire world and requires global cooperation.
Another dose of alarmist rhetoric.
Why? He'd be crucified.
Spencer thinks intelligent design is science and should be taught in schools as science. He's smart, but not where it counts.
I suspect the same of Steward.
These nutcases focus on CO2 and only CO2 as if that is THE ONLY cause for climate change. CO2 is the enabler, but there are other factors. And, they act like all this CO2 just magically appeared from nowhere. Duh, no one ever heard of the "carbon cycle"?
politifact's take on this quack:
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/oct/07/plantsneedco2org/plantsneedco2org-claim-carbon-dioxide-not-pollutan//07/plantsneedco2org/plantsneedco2org-claim-carbon-dioxide-not-pollutan/
And I still like this link. Easy to understand.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/oct/07/plantsneedco2org/plantsneedco2org-claim-carbon-dioxide-not-pollutan/
At the propagandist web site, plantsneedco2.org:
http://plantsneedco2.org/default.aspx?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1
They say "CO2 is Green".
And vomit is food.
C02 is only about 3.2% of greenhouse gases, and man only contributes about 3.5% of the 3.2%. The rest comes from natural sources, so man only contributes about .1% of all the greenhouses gases. If the other 99.9% of the greenhouse gases won't cause runaway heat, neither will a little more CO2. Case closed. Water is 95% of all the greenhouse gases, I guess we should make water that a pollutant also.
You do know that CO2 is only 4/10,000ths of the atmosphere. It has gone up only 1/10,000th since the mid 1700s, as a percentage of the atmosphere. This has little impact on temperatures.
Here is some more interesting information. There is no loss of polar ice the last 30 years, ccording to the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder Colorado, there is slightly more sea ice today than the average of the last 30 years when adding the ice at both poles together. The loss of Arctic ice has been offset by an equal growth in Antarctic ice. Antarctic sea ice volume is now at or near the all time record size. Oh, by the way, the Arctic sea ice volume today is 24% larger than just 2 years ago.
http://noconsensus.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/global-sea-ice-area-variation-bootstrap-algorithm1.jpg
US temperatures in 2008 were below the average of the last 115 years according to the national climate data center. US Summer temperatures were the 35th coolest in the last 115 years.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/research/2008/dec/01_12_2008_DvTempRank_pg.gif
But......
According to UAH, RSS, GIS, NASA, global temperatures have been declining since 2002
According to ARGO, sea temperatures have been in decline since 2002, they measure this with 3500 sensors floating around the globes oceans
http://www.argo.ucsd.edu/
http://www.friendsofscience.org/assets/documents/FOS%20Essay/Argo_Heat_Content.jpg
Global hurricanes are at a record low both in the number of storms and storm intensity according to the experts, the Florida State University
http://www.coaps.fsu.edu/~maue/tropical/GLOBAL_TC_24MONTH_FREQUENCY.jpg
And to cap it all off, did you know Polar Bear populations are at an all time record size today, from 300% to 500% larger than the 1950s.
Please, dont attack the messenger, go research the information. Its out there, whether you want to know or not. If CO2 causes global warming we should see less global sea ice, higher global temperatures, warmer oceans and perhaps more storms but we are not.
There is one simple explanation why, the sun is the primary driver of our climate, the sun is not a constant star, the sun was very active in the last 50 years of the 20th century but it has changed and todays solar activity is among the lowest ever recorded, thus the cooling we are experiencing.
If the past is a predictor of the future, we will have at least 30 years of cooling and the cooling will be four times greater than the warming. This is not good news. A warming earth is better for life on the planet than a cooling one due to lower crop yields and disease. It is hard to die from too much heat, but it is easy to die from the cold, you freeze to death. This is not good news, not good at all.
CO2 is GOOD for us? Let them present a peer-reviewed paper on their position. Or, could it be they are too busy playing politics and spreading lies on the internet?
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/oct/07/plantsneedco2org/plantsneedco2org-claim-carbon-dioxide-not-pollutan/
Deniers have their heads in the sand. It feels cool & safe for the head, but it leaves their butts exposed for a good kick.