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Beck ad claims the Second Amendment of the "Constitution under attack" by the Supreme Court

September 30, 2009 10:00 am ET

From Fox News on September 30:

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    • Author by SLRTX (September 30, 2009 10:11 am ET)
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      Limits to first amendment rights were defined by the SCOTUS:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_v._Ohio

      http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/faclibrary/case.aspx?case=Brandenburg_v_Ohio

      (A ruling Fox Network's lawyers should carefully review.)

      I see no reason why second amendment rights should also not be defined.

      Yes, we have these rights, but they come with some level of responsibility.
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    • Author by goesto11 (September 30, 2009 10:11 am ET)
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      It's a shame Beck's Fox News show wasn't on the air during the Bush presidency.

      Because he certainly would have run ads explaining how the Constitution was under attack FROM THE PRESIDENT.
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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (September 30, 2009 10:15 am ET)
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      What exactly does this cowboy want to happen to this country ?Anarchy ?
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      • Author by Victor Colorado (September 30, 2009 10:31 am ET)
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        Indeed he does. More importantly, he wants to be the martyr. Glenn Beck is fighting for Glenn Beck. That is all.
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      • Author by mk3872 (September 30, 2009 10:47 am ET)
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        wolf: "What exactly does this cowboy want to happen to this country?"

        answer: Make more $$ for him
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      • Author by bintx (September 30, 2009 10:53 am ET)
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        Beck is no cowboy. To call him that is an insult to every hard-working, decent cowboy I know . . . and I know MANY.
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        • Author by wolf kotenberg (September 30, 2009 11:05 am ET)
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          He is riding quite a horse now that he got the keys to his home city, Mt Vernon, WA,last Saturday and that crowd just loved him.
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          • Author by snoopy (September 30, 2009 12:26 pm ET)
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            you mean the crowd that was allowed in. The majority and the press were banned from it.
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      • Author by fawltylogic (September 30, 2009 11:17 am ET)
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        I believe the term Beck uses is "anarhy".
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    • Author by neon desert (September 30, 2009 10:15 am ET)
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      I tell ya, I haven't felt like my family was safe ever since the feds made me take that .50 cal machine gun off the roof of my garage.

      With limits like these, it's like I'm practically begging the muslim crack head commies to invade my home and rape my daughter and kill my wife.
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    • Author by thundavolt (September 30, 2009 10:18 am ET)
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      It's not right when the "News" frames a subject in the wrong way. Most people don't know the difference between commentators and journalists and it's worse now because the journalists are commentating.

      This is not about protecting yourself it's fire arms which are tools to the endeavor, as some claim. I hope Beck doesn't have one because he's not stable and who knows how many people might get hurt when he melts down from being kicked off air.
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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (September 30, 2009 10:21 am ET)
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      and what cases are being consideredby the Supreme court at this time that wouldlead youto believe the wording,or the meaning,of the secon amenment willbe changed ?
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    • Author by blueline99 (September 30, 2009 10:40 am ET)
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      Saying that Glenn Beck is a moron is redundant... but here goes... Glenn Beck is a moron.

      The Supreme Court agreed to review a lower court ruling that allowed a handgun ban in Chicago. (McDonald v. Chicago) Because in June, the Supreme Court struck down a similar ban in Washington DC which is a Federal enclave, the Supreme Court must decide if the States and localities have the right to ban handguns.

      Here's an AP article about the case.

      So Becky... the status quo is that Chicao and some of its suburbs have banned hand guns... and because the Supreme Court has already deemed that a similar ban in DC is unconstitutional, it must decide whether their decision applies to state and local governments.

      Basically the decision for the Supreme Court is to decide whether to strike down handgun bans...

      Now, Becky, please explain to me how this is an attack on the Constitution? Sounds to me like it's our Constitution in action.

      Should the state be allowed to make its own laws that are counter to the Constitution? Chicago did and the Supreme Court is going to decide whether that's right or not?

      A more reasonable argument under this premise would have been if the Supreme Court refused to hear this case...

      Please Glenn... don't let the facts get in the way of scaring people... and oh, btw... the case will be heard next year.

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    • Author by Renesme (September 30, 2009 10:41 am ET)
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      The right is always better at framing an argument whether it's substantive or not. All that is needed is to make people fear that the 2nd Amendment may be altered. How many will verify this? The Democrats will be afraid to do anything on gun control in the near or distant future so long as all this fear mongering is going on. The truth is gun and ammunition sales are up and rights have been broadened to national parks and trains. But, proper messaging is key. Neither Glenn Beck, nor anyone else on the right cares about the truth.
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    • Author by epkklk851 (September 30, 2009 10:45 am ET)
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      Until the most recent decision, the Second Amendment has always been seen as a collective right, with states and local governments able to regulate the type of arms a person had. When the amendment was written, there were no standing armies, police forces, sheriff's departments, the FBI or state police agencies. Americans relied on their neighbors for protection, and even then, most men didn't own guns. In the present, we have all these professionals, very few of us have a need for a weapon for protection, and a lot of people don't go hunting, so there isn't a sporting need, either. But the NRA has convinced a small minority that they need a gun to protect themselves and their families. They even insist that it keeps crime down, however, that isn't true. The crime rate in most of the states with high rates of gun ownership is average, but the homocide rates are higher. The states with the lowest crime rates are for the post part low gun ownership states, too. I found those statistics in Wikipedia.
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      • Author by the Grey Path (September 30, 2009 11:18 am ET)
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        It was fascinating to see Scalia, in his strict-constructinist view, decide that the Second Amendment is the only one of the twelve proposed amendments in the Bill of Rights to have a preamble.

        And, a preamble that isn't even a complete sentence: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state." Is Scalia's view that our founding fathers didn't understand basic grammer?

        What's next? The ban on an establishment of religion is only a preamble to the free exercise clause?
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    • Author by bintx (September 30, 2009 10:52 am ET)
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      Are you KIDDING me? The S.Ct. recently gave a ridiculously BROAD definition of the Second Amendment. They essentially ignored anything in the commas.
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      • Author by wolf kotenberg (September 30, 2009 11:02 am ET)
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        Yeah, I can't even rationalise this Beck guy. Last I heard Scalia, who is a close friend of Cheney, is on the Supreme Court, in quite a senior way. Glen must be searching matrerials from the BBB, Bureau of Beck's Butt.
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        • Author by shaggles (September 30, 2009 11:36 am ET)
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          Not just Scalia. Roberts, Alito, Thomas. The court is still just as conservative as it was under Dubya and the balance is unlikely to change any time soon.
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    • Author by PurpleState (September 30, 2009 11:05 am ET)
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      See, this goes back to the point Bernie Goldberg made about "commentary" and "journalism".

      Beck and Fox are passing this off as a journalistic experience, as if Anderson Cooper was going to join Beck in-studio.
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    • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (September 30, 2009 11:06 am ET)
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      Wingnuts don't care about the Second Amendment, they only care about the second clause of the Second Amendment.
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      • Author by epkklk851 (September 30, 2009 11:13 am ET)
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        Yes, that first clause about a "well regulated militia" is such a pesky bore! Who has the time for drilling with a militia? And follow orders from some other civilian like me? Forget that!
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      • Author by bintx (September 30, 2009 11:13 am ET)
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        Exactly, they think that those commas mean "ignore everything herein."
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      • Author by wolf kotenberg (September 30, 2009 12:47 pm ET)
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        Wonder if any of them brought loaded guns to Beck's coronation in Mt Vernon, WA, last Saturay.
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    • Author by marco21 (September 30, 2009 11:28 am ET)
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      Considering the court doesn't convene till the first Monday in October, I am assuming Glenn's pea shooter is safe till then.

      Friggin moron.
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      • Author by blueline99 (September 30, 2009 12:31 pm ET)
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        The case isn't scheduled to be heard until next year... but timing is never a concern... you can never start scaring people too early...
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    • Author by DonSchenck (September 30, 2009 11:43 am ET)
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      EVERY right has it's limits, Glen-duh. Google my last name to see how my ancestor learned that first-hand.

      The fear-mongering continues.
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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (September 30, 2009 12:48 pm ET)
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        EVERY right has it's limits, Glen-duh.


        Sure, Don, that's the type of Nanny State thinking that prohibits me from walking around the elementary school with my assault rifle or strolling into a library with my shoulder-launched anti-tank rockets.

        I want my Pursuit of Happiness!!!!
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        • Author by eweston8542983 (September 30, 2009 10:33 pm ET)
             
          I'm more concerned about your pursuit of tanks, among the stacks.
          My advice would be to set up concrete obsticles to force them to go by the magazine racks and set up an ambush to get them as they go by. Don't let them trap you in the lavatorys! A depleted uranium enema is something to avoid.
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    • Author by Welfare-Warfare State (September 30, 2009 12:35 pm ET)
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      It cracks me up that leftists get their panties in a wad when someone asserts (correctly) that second amendment rights are and have been under attack. It is done through incrementalism by people who outwardly claim that they have always supported gun rights. The truth is that if if the left could get away with it politically, they would ban all guns tomorrow. They can't get way with it politcally at the moment though. That's the only thing standing in their way
      The reason that our founders created the second amendment wasn't primarily for hunting or personal protection though that was part of their reasoning. The primary reason for the second amendment was that they understood that a gun was the last protection the individual has against an out of control government.
      Don't think it can happen here? Look around rubes. BTW, I'm still waiting for the new (same as the old?) administration to repeal the Patriot Act.
      Cheers!
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      • Author by blueline99 (September 30, 2009 1:35 pm ET)
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        I'm as left as it comes and I could give a care whether guns are banned or not... statistically, people who have guns in their household are more likely to die from a gun than those who don't so personally I'm just going with the odds... kind of like when a baseball manager likes the "lefty vs lefty" matchup in a key situation of a game. If you want to own a gun and get shot, that's your perogative, I wouldn't feel safer with a gun in the house, in fact, I would feel less safe.

        Anyhow... the right and gun lobbyist are so fearful of any gun legislation that whenever it becomes an issue they cry out that it's an attack on the constitution. In this case, the SCOTUS is protecting gun rights... they are looking to overturn city and state laws that ban handguns. They did it in DC and they are trying to overtun a Chicago law. The gun lobby is just demonstrating their might by being proactive.. by scaring everyone before anyone actually does anything to curtail gun owners rights. Plus it's good business for the gun companies who's sales have gone through the roof since President Obama was elected.

        How is this an attack by SCOTUS?
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      • Author by Ruby (September 30, 2009 2:00 pm ET)
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        "The primary reason for the second amendment was that they understood that a gun was the last protection the individual has against an out of control government."

        In this day and age, if you believe that the people of the United States must be able to defend themselves against the government (in order for the purpose of the 2nd amendment to be served), then you must also believe that the people should have unrestricted access to the same weapons as the government, i.e. tanks, missiles, nuclear bombs, fighter jets, whatever.

        I mean, otherwise, how could we stand a chance defending ourselves?
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        • Author by DonSchenck (September 30, 2009 2:09 pm ET)
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          Plus, we have the vote! The Reich-Wingers (God I LUV that play on words!), I guess, don't see the value of the vote.

          Oh ... wait ... they DON'T see the value. That explains it! That's why they call President Obama a King, dictator, etc etc.
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        • Author by bintx (September 30, 2009 2:26 pm ET)
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          Sorry, I didn't read you post before I posted mine.
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      • Author by bintx (September 30, 2009 2:26 pm ET)
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        Um, I'm not a "Leftist," but I am able to read English. Commas don't mean that you omit and/or ignore the words enclosed therein.

        The primary reason for the Second Amendment was for the formation of FREE MILITIAS . . . it's pretty clear if you read the thing in its ENTIRETY and are able to comprehend the words. Having said that, I really don't care a flip whether you own a gun or not, but to say that no weapons can be exempt from private ownership is silly. The word in the Constitution is "arms." Arms includes tanks, ground to air missles, bombs, fighter jets, etc. Am I to assume that you believe that every American citizen has the right to possess those "arms"?

        I'm waiting for the new administration to repeal the Patriot Act myself and to repeal the provisions of the unnecessary FISA amendment which was passed in order to cover up the crimes of the previous administration.
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      • Author by mikehuck1976 (September 30, 2009 3:30 pm ET)
           
        "The primary reason for the second amendment was that they understood that a gun was the last protection the individual has against an out of control government." - War on those on Welfare (or whatever his name is)

        Oh, simple minds.....Then you think citizens should have access to the tanks and heavy artillery necessary to defend ourselves against the government, correct? You don't really think that your handguns are going to keep the military from coming to get you, do you? Please explain your lack of thought.
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      • Author by eweston8542983 (September 30, 2009 10:44 pm ET)
           
        You don't think lefty's own and enjoy guns and their proper use? Credibility null.
        You think your going to stand off an air to ground attack with your ought six, 308, or what ever your fetish object/penis replacement might be?
        The rube can't see any examples of your deepest fear, Point one out.
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    • Author by liberalXtian (September 30, 2009 3:29 pm ET)
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      Maybe some of the Constitution SHOULD be under attack. One of the areas should be the Second Amendment. Wea re supposed to be mind reraders and try to discern what waa the original intent of the framers of the Constitution. Well, from what I can read from the Constitution, it was to preserve slavery and make sure that power was spread equally among all Americans as long as you were a rich, white male.

      Iam not a Fundamentalist when it comes to the Bible, so why should I accept the Bill of Rights, which I know for certain was written by flawed men as unchangeable and unadjustible. We already limit certain freedoms.

      Even if the framers were prophets who could see 21st century life, they were still mired in 18th century values. To take a closer look at our Constitution may actually expand freedoms as it has done for blacks and women, but in some cases, such, as the guns, it may be time for a new look.
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