Cavuto hosts "Gunny Bob" Newman, who slams Obama administration, cites "Hanoi John" Kerry's "early discharge"
September 29, 2009 5:21 pm ET
From the September 29 edition of Fox News' Your World with Neil Cavuto:
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WTF is wrong with these people and this country?
Or did he just have better things to do, like old Dick?
Not long ago Pat leg pressed 2,000 pounds. Not bad for a guy in his seventies. The world record at the time was slightly more than 2,000 lbs. and held by a much younger guy. So Pat's wasn't disabled while in the military. Unless his close, personal friend Jesus healed him.
Why bring up the Kennedys?
Say what you want about the Kennedy's but they gave three sons lives for this country.
And since you mentioned Cheney, did Biden serve? And since you mentioned Newt did Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi serve? And since you mentioned Limbaugh , did Olbermann serve?
You have access to Shurbs complete military record?
That's why we coined the term "chickenhawk" for so many GOP luminaries.
George W. Bush did serve in the NG. His family pulled strings for him to get in before others who had been on the waiting list. In his paperwork, he checked the box that said he'd prefer to not serve overseas.
He supported the war, but found a legal way to do his part. I don't really blame him for that.
Cheney and Rush are all together different. Both failed miserably by supporting a war that they purposely avoided. Their support for the war, and their evasion of service, caused two other men to go in their places. Men who had no other options. Men who may have supported or may have opposed the war that these two slugs were very much in favor of, as long as it was someone else putting their ass on the line.
For as long as you've been commenting here, you bring up this false equivalence. You don't seem to grasp the concept of honor. I won't pass judgement on George W. Bush's honor for going to the head of the list and joining the NG.
But every time you bring up your rebuttal to defend men who caused others to fight a war that the evaders purposely evaded, I'll be here to condemn you for it.
I seem to remember a certain William J. Clinton going to England to "study" during the time he should have been serving as you assert.
Also reference Bill's letter to the head of the AR ROTC to get a glimpse into his mindset. To refresh your memory, he wrote of "loathing the military". That sounds like someone READY to rally to the flag!
I'll put his record up against the dems SOD's anyday. Cohen and Aspin...now there are two oxygen thieves if there ever was.
So sitting in an office in the pentagon = overseeing an operation, much less risking one's life in the line of fire? That won't cut it. Just listen to Jesse ventura tell it like it is, he seems like a guy you'd like (start at 3 minutes in for epic awesomeness).
Furthermore William Cohen "oversaw" (using your parlance) an operation in Kosovo in which genocide was stopped and there were no NATO casualties (the real credit goes to general Clarke of course, but never mind). Or maybe your definition of success is the massive bungles in Iraq and Afghanistan?
I know this may shock you, but the fact Cohen and Aspin did not march us into needless and costly wars does not make them failures, it makes them the opposite.
Anyways, the fact remains that so many who now pretend to be the FIERCE, BRAVE defenders of the republic chickened out when they had a chance to do battle for their country. That glaring fact aint going anywhere.
Not every one can be a SOF tough guy. There has to be leadership at the top and the fact that Cheney was the best at that job in the last thirty years just chaps your rear I'm sure.
You are right about one thing though (sort of). Our little jaunt in the Balkans didn't produce NATO casualties on par with a real shooting war (OJE was considered low risk) there were casualties, mostly training accidents and a couple of mine deaths. There were however MANY deaths of the people we were sent there to protect. That is because of weak kneed leadership from the Clinton Admin. They were adverse to a shooting war and proved it time and again by relying on cruise missiles for strikes against aspirin factories and standing by idly while refugees were being killed.
Cohen and Aspin. I worked under both and neither could hold a candle to Cheney (who I worked for also).
Then he should decide what he believes is the best thing for the country.
Sometimes, a president has to learn to stand up to his advisors who are pushing to win a war when no one can explain what winning entails.
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Excuse me???
1. Obama was born August 4, 1961.
2. On Jan. 27, 1973, Secretary of Defense Melvin R. Laird announced the creation of an all-volunteer armed forces, negating the need for the military draft. (Wikipedia)
3. By simple math, I figure Obama turned 12 in 1973.
So he "avoided" military service by refusing to volunteer for an all-volunteer army???
Wikipedia "Kerry had agreed to an extension of his active duty obligation from December 1969 to August 1970 in order to perform Swift Boat duty,[33][34] but in January, 1970, he requested early discharge in order to run for Congress the following fall. He was discharged from active duty on March 1, 1970.
John Kerry was on active duty in the United States Navy from August 1966 until January 1970. He continued to serve in the Naval Reserve until February 1978. "
Isn't it a bit misleading to say he was 'discharged early' when he fully discharged his draft obligations? He was released early from a voluntary extention...going above and beyond his obligations.