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On O'Reilly, Williams and Goldberg discuss whether "the liberal media" is helping Obama by "spreading global warming propaganda"

July 01, 2009 9:11 pm ET

From the July 1st edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor:

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    • Author by Aeneas (July 01, 2009 9:24 pm ET)
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      real reporting? This is ironic
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    • Author by FuzzBodd (July 01, 2009 9:30 pm ET)
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      I can't believe Goldberg complained about actual reporting on Fixed News. When has Faux news ever done real reporting? Oh, I'm sorry they probably do investigate a story when they need to trash a democrat, or just make one up!!! What a hypocritical a-hole. Stick to Real Sports with whatever Gumbel is on that show.
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    • Author by NdlovukaziThor (July 01, 2009 10:59 pm ET)
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      Uh. Seriously?

      Global warming deniers are not the same as Holocaust deniers. There is a difference between arguing over data we are still collecting and analyzing and studying something that definitely happened in history. Just because this appears to be split along party lines does not mean it should be lumped in with comparing it to anything related to Hitler. It is getting really tired.

      What else is split along party lines? Oh, I don't know... those that don't agree with Evolution, and want Creationism/ID taught alongside it in public schools.

      So are (global warming/evolution/any other theory that Fundy Righters don't agree with) scientists godless heathen liberal democrats that get their information from the media, too?
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      • Author by jackdavis (July 02, 2009 2:10 am ET)
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        I agree, any comparisons to Hitler are inappropriate.
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        • Author by NdlovukaziThor (July 02, 2009 2:17 am ET)
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          In contexts such as this, yes, it's inappropriate and doesn't even make sense.
          Thinking about it now, though, it's funny how those who disagree with global warming are lumping themselves in with Holocaust deniers... in that the media aren't giving them their time to argue. With facts.
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        • Author by swift (July 02, 2009 10:30 am ET)
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          One of the words that make me see red is "inappropriate." Holocaust and global warming denial share one thing: psychological denial. Once a public official, or a journalist, is in such denial, they are dangerous to themselves and to the Republic. I say the comparison stands.
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          • Author by NdlovukaziThor (July 02, 2009 10:52 am ET)
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            Depending on how exactly the word is used. In the sense of being offensive, I don't think that it is. Denial and ignorance, given a voice, are extremely dangerous. I simply found that the attempt to compare global warming deniers to Holocaust deniers is unfit. As we aren't passing legislation regarding the Holocaust or WWII or discussing theories of its existence, it doesn't make sense talking about hosting Holocaust deniers on programs. If he were to say that programs should host global warming deniers for balance like some have "intelligent design" proponents opposite those for evolution, that would make a little more sense. He'd still be wrong about which side is correct, but it would be more apt.
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          • Author by center-right (July 02, 2009 10:53 am ET)
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            Swift

            You don't really believe they are the same thing do you?
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        • Author by OnceYouGoBarack (July 02, 2009 4:58 pm ET)
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          Global warming deniers are not the same as Holocaust deniers
          They aren't the same, of course. However, I think the instinct is the same. Some Holocaust deniers aren't racists, but merely don't want to face the fact that humans are capable of such evil. Similarly, there are global warming deniers that don't want to concede that man can wreck the planet. There's a seed a commonality there.
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          • Author by NdlovukaziThor (July 02, 2009 6:29 pm ET)
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            I'm not disputing their instincts, just the correlation between the two. Global warming is still being studied, which is why there is such a huge debate about it. The Holocaust is something absolutely fixed in history. I guess my issue with denying that would be like denying the Inquisition or the Crusades... who knows, maybe people will be denying the Iraq War in the future? That's what I've been explaining above, and that's the only problem I have with people relating them to one another.
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    • Author by teabaggers ♥ [wing]NUTS (July 01, 2009 11:40 pm ET)
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      hey bernie, the amount of 9/11 inside job skeptics is always rising... does that make it legitimate? what a crackpot argument. nothing new coming from that guy.

      by the way, isnt juan williams supposed to be a liberal? why is he cutting goldberg so much slack and rationalizing his statements? oh thats right, because he works for fox news and hes doing oreilly's show the way he wants to do it. thats what i thought.
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    • Author by IRONY 101 (July 02, 2009 12:07 am ET)
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      There is no doubt the Republican Party is the party of DUMB. The differences between the parties used to be, essentially, one of philosophy but it's not really that anymore. Ignorance and stupidity are not a philosophy. They would love to see the day when a science teacher tells her class to open up their science text book to the first chapter...Genesis.
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      • Author by NdlovukaziThor (July 02, 2009 12:15 am ET)
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        Exactly. That is so scary to think of... and some students that aren't sheltered in the least are starting to use these "arguments" in classes. Willful ignorance is so detrimental to society when it's given a microphone and an elevated status.
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      • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (July 02, 2009 12:19 am ET)
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        Is Juan filling in for Ted Baxter?

        Oh, that's just frikkin' great!

        And he's also a correspondent for NPR. NATIONAL PUBLIC RADIO. That was really great presenting both sides Juan. ...You, bernie goldbarf and an echo chamber.

        NPR--Fire Juan Williams.
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (July 02, 2009 9:53 am ET)
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        There is no doubt the Republican Party is the party of DUMB.
        Deception,
        Untruth,
        Misinformation, and
        Bravado.
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        • Author by puppienrainbows (July 04, 2009 10:57 am ET)
             
          You are the master of childish posts! Any one of my grandchildren coulda' come up with that one.
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    • Author by LIBERTY OR DEATH (July 02, 2009 12:09 am ET)
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      Very good points brought up by Goldberg no matter what any one saids.
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (July 02, 2009 9:54 am ET)
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        The only good point Goldberg has is hidden by his hat.
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      • Author by OnceYouGoBarack (July 02, 2009 5:01 pm ET)
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        no matter what any one saids[sic]
        Maybe you meant Said, as in the Muslim name.
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    • Author by jlmincey (July 02, 2009 12:45 am ET)
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      Yes, every major scientific organization in the industrialized WORLD is in bed with Obama and spreading his propoganda. We liberals are that good.

      Oh and what was that part about liberals beliveing everything the meedia tells them while the conservatives are more skeptical? Is this not the part that listens to Rush Limbaugh? Is this not the party that thinks the invasion of Iraq was justified? Is this not the party that constitutes pretty much ALL fundmentalist christians that belive only god is able to destroy the world? Not to say anything against christians (I am one), but the bible is A.) written almost 2,000 years ago where the concept of a nuclear missle was uncomprehendible and B.) The Bible is filled with symbolism and most of it was not supposed to be taken literally.
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    • Author by Lane (July 02, 2009 1:45 am ET)
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      I'm amazed there are still people who refuse to believe global warming exists. IIRC, wasn't it being addressed to congress in the 80's?

      I don't know just how much of it is caused by man, or if it's a natural cycle of warming and cooling, or whatever. But to deny the fact that it is getting hotter is simply ignorant.
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      • Author by puppienrainbows (July 04, 2009 11:07 am ET)
           
        I have yet to see anyone denying climate change. The AGWAs contend humans are responsible. That's the argument between AGW advocates and the so-called denyers. What is it caused by and how, if possible, can it be changed. This is another strawman by the global warming alarmists, that denyers are denying climate change. We aren't. We are contesting the cause put forth by alarmists and the pending legislation Rep. Pelosi was able to pass in the house. I see nothing wrong with addressing environmental concerns but they should be kept in the proper context.
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    • Author by pags2 (July 02, 2009 2:06 am ET)
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      Goldberg has been banging the drum about all of the media being having "a slobbering affair" with Obama. I could appreciate the thought that most of the media is favorable to Obama, but not all of the media. Of course, Obama's so called favorable coverage by the media is a given considering how bad the press was for the last president at the end of his term. There is Fox News, Limbaugh and a host of other conservative media and when they start talking about Obama in favorable terms and stop blasting Obama, I will concur with Goldberg. I will also have myself committed to a mental institution.
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      • Author by NdlovukaziThor (July 02, 2009 2:23 am ET)
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        And no matter how bad it gets, you'll always have on your special jacket that lets you hug yourself all the time!

        That sounds pretty awesome. Along with the rooms padded with marshmallows!
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      • Author by center-right (July 02, 2009 2:41 pm ET)
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        Still, the 60 mins piece goes a bit far the other way don't you think?
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        • Author by pags2 (July 02, 2009 3:10 pm ET)
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          Fox News is hardly in a position to claim the other media is helping Obama's position.
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    • Author by dave_82 (July 02, 2009 2:55 am ET)
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      "Your an earth's flat kind of person if you don't agree with them"

      Whaaaa! you mean the earth is not flat???
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      • Author by NdlovukaziThor (July 02, 2009 3:46 am ET)
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        Oh, don't worry, it's still flat. We just have some seriously crazy people saying it's no longer the center of the universe.
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        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (July 02, 2009 9:56 am ET)
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          WHAT?
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          • Author by NdlovukaziThor (July 02, 2009 10:32 am ET)
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            No, really, everything will be fine. We'll just burn the witches until they recant! Along with all their silly little books.

            The Earth is flat, everything in the universe revolves around it, and scientists are a great substitute at a luau roast for those that keep Kosher.
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    • Author by markbfoot199 (July 02, 2009 12:23 pm ET)
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      I have yet to see MMFA prove there is global warming, or a decline to the polar bears. The only news org misleading is this one.
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      • Author by historygeek001 (July 02, 2009 2:55 pm ET)
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        You're lying again. You have yet to provide any proof to the contrary and there have been innumberable links to actual science showing that it's happening; you've never linked ONCE to any peer-reviewed studies to the contrary. There aren't any. Apparently you are proud to let us know how happy you are to lie about this and unwilling you are to face up to reality. Again.
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      • Author by mikehuck1976 (July 04, 2009 1:44 pm ET)
           
        Really, MarkB? Really? Well, have you figured out yet that we still have programs that FDR first instituted? Or that Arabs played a role in the development of algebra (since algebra is an Arabic word)? Or that Timothy McVeigh was a Republican and not a Democrat? Maybe if and when you admit any of the long list of facts that you deny here over and over again - MAYBE then we will take anything you post seriously.
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    • Author by seroquel (July 02, 2009 1:00 pm ET)
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      The "Liberal" Media?
      I heard no Republicans complaining about the media when the "liberal" media in 2000 were generally on Bush 43's side.
      Remember that? I do.
      Now they're complaining.
      The planet IS getting hotter. Weather patterns are changing. Glaciers are MELTING, for freaking sake!
      We're just seeing things? I suppose the L.A. Smog is there because it's always been there. Right?
      Has nothing to do with fossil fuels being burned in cars, planes.
      Man, do i need a drink...
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    • Author by vonbargen9388 (July 02, 2009 1:32 pm ET)
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      Surveys by leading universities have shown fox news viewers to be the least well informed among viewers of tv news. Goldberg needs to realize that the low figure for acceptance of global warming (48% compared to 87%) among republicans is consistent with their ignorance and their poor choice of news sources. Since Democrats are generally smarter and better educated, don't watch fox and believe in global warming, the statistics are not surprising.
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    • Author by stanlee18048 (July 02, 2009 4:58 pm ET)
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      First of all, there is no way, no how, a liberal media in this country. The media in the U.S. is made of huge multi-national corporations. They are run from the top down. How many CEO's or corporate officers have expressed a need for seeing their company's taxes raised or a need for more regulation from the government? I've never heard that once. That's makes them natural enemies of Democrats because Democrats are the ones who consider raising taxes and consider smart regulations.

      "Only 1% of climate scientists rate either broadcast or cable television news about climate change as “very reliable.” Another 31% say broadcast news is “somewhat reliable,” compared to 25% for cable news. (The remainder rate TV news as “not very” or “not at all” reliable.)"
      http://stats.org/stories/2008/global_warming_survey_apr23_08.html
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