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Media Matters' Boehlert goes head-to-head with Tancredo over Sotomayor on CNN

May 28, 2009 4:51 pm ET

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Conservatives react to historic Supreme Court nominee by smearing Sotomayor as "racist," "bigot"

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    • Author by JamesCraven8209 (May 28, 2009 4:58 pm ET)
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      Tom Tancredo has as much cred as a dead fish.
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    • Author by RABBITLUVR (May 28, 2009 5:04 pm ET)
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      Yeah, of course it's AOK for Alito to say the same thing because... oh, he's white! Whites are, by default, supposed to be the 'superior' people in this country so they get a pass when they say this stuff.

      Conservatism in action, folks.
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    • Author by Victor Colorado (May 28, 2009 5:05 pm ET)
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      Great job! You beat Tancredo with just a 1/3 of the time.
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      • Author by hongdb (May 30, 2009 7:13 am ET)
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        Eric always does a great job; but with Tancredo--living proof of "giving 'em enough rope. . ."--the more time he gets, the better for any opponent.
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    • Author by TheDayV (May 28, 2009 5:06 pm ET)
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      Boehlert did a better job than Frisch, but he still should've come at Tancredo with some harder facts. For instance, if the context is, as Sanchez said, 10 minutes worth, then come at Tancredo with some more highlights.

      The right wing has a standard MO when it comes to these interviews and opponents of it, centrist, left, or otherwise, should be ready for it. That being said, Sanchez didn't leave Boehlert enough time to do much with the interview.
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      • Author by seeryer (May 28, 2009 5:19 pm ET)
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        Eric was great. What more could he have said to embarass Tancredo that Tancredo himself hadn't already said?
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        • Author by TheDayV (May 28, 2009 5:39 pm ET)
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          Ask yourself this; Did we see enough truth in that exchange? Discrediting your opponent does nothing to prove your own argument. Allowing your opponent to discredit himself can be even worse. Telling me what's wrong doesn't effectively tell me what's right.
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          • Author by jeremy (May 28, 2009 5:57 pm ET)
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            This is the main problem with news coverage today...it's not opinion, but giving equal time and equal weight to a statement and a position that is clearly wrong. Sanchez should have blasted Tancredo, but this shows another fundamental issue with media today - he was probably afraid that if he made Tancredo look really bad (which he already accomplished himself) then he wouldn't be able to book him for his show anymore!
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            • Author by fairliberal (May 29, 2009 12:28 am ET)
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              Why should Sanchez have blasted Tancredo, he was expressing his opinion.
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              • Author by dmhack (May 29, 2009 1:11 am ET)
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                From the wingnut handbook...

                Whenever one of our people speaks, he or she is expressing an opinion. If they rant and rave, foam at the mouth and shout over anyone else, they are strongly expressing their opinion.

                Whenever one of their people speaks, he or she is attacking America. Should one of their people talk over one of our people, no matter how briefly, then the are automatically Marxists, racists, socialists, abortionists, sexists (see page 23 for a full list).
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          • Author by seeryer (May 29, 2009 10:52 am ET)
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            Truth to us may look different to the average political news consumer. Do you think most CNN viewers are as in tune as yourself on the issues? Eric sprinkled in just enough truth to help Tancredo bury his own grave. Just my opinion though so I could be wrong.
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        • Author by fairliberal (May 28, 2009 10:13 pm ET)
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          That was great? Hardly. EB whining about someone taking a comment out of context, something he presides over day in and day out. That is just hypocrisy. And what is with that wispy beard , he looks like a 20 year old hockey player trying to grow a beard for the playoffs.
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          • Author by Brabantio (May 29, 2009 12:27 am ET)
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            So your criticism of his performance is that;

            A)pointing out that a comment is being taken out of context is "whining", because wanting the full story to be told is so childish and immature, apparently.

            B)Boehlert takes comments out of context, which is not only an unsubstantiated charge but also has no bearing on the legitimacy of his argument. It would still be a valid point whether you were able to make such a determination about his character or not.

            C)You don't like his beard.

            I bet you wish you could have taken Tancredo's place. When you made the "hockey player" crack, that would have been a knockout punch, wouldn't it?
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            • Author by fairliberal (May 29, 2009 1:08 am ET)
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              Well , I hardly think he should be criticizing others for doing the same thing he does here all the time. And to suggest he does not is disingenuous and it is only unsubstantiated to the blind. MM constantly highlights small snipets of conversation while ignoring the full context of the discussion, it is the cornerstone of their business model.
              And as far as his beard goes, it is just an effort on my part to fit in, it is frequently noted how disheveled and unkempt Dennis Miller is with his beard, I thought my comment would be met with great approval. It seems that neatness counts here.
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              • Author by magnolialover (May 29, 2009 7:19 am ET)
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                Umm, no they don't take things out of context. Can you show us some examples as to where this happens on this site? Because I'm pretty sure that they are careful to NOT do that, because we'd have to be like right wingers, like yourself, who DO do this all of the time (Tancredo is evidence in this video).

                Of course, you can't provide an example of where MMFA does this, because that's just a false assertion, and one that you make often, and never back up. Ever.
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                • Author by fairliberal (May 30, 2009 12:02 am ET)
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                  Sure, that is a simple one. A number of times recently they have been highlighting O'Reilly's comments about marrying a duck. The fact that he has been making a broader point about his opposition to gay marriage is totally ignored. O'Reilly is not serious in his duck example and that is obvious to anyone with a reasonable mind but MMFA wants to get the lemmings jumping , and it works.

                  Also look at the way his comments about Sylvia's was taken out of context. He spoke for about 20 minutes, if I remember correctly. His segment was a good discussion about race issues and again to anyone with a little reason showed he is not racist. But a few poorly chosen words were taken out of context and distorted.

                  If you want the context of Judge Sotomayor's comments to be considered you must be willing to do the same. And very few here are willing to do so.
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                  • Author by mescal (May 30, 2009 3:12 am ET)
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                    O'Lielly was NOT taken out of context. MMFA presented his entire spiel about Maxine's. What just leaps out from his otherwise flaccid ruminations on race was his total shock that African Americans dining at an African American owned and run business were well behaved. It was so at odds with his racist presumptions of what typical black behavior MUST be like, that it just stunned him. It spoke to how little real social and professional interaction O'Lielly had ever had with African Americans. It spoke to how deeply and completely O'Lielly had internalized crass and violent stereotypes of black people. It spoke to how deeply ingrained O'Lielly's aversion to black people must be that a of man around sixty years of age, living in one of the most diverse and cosmopolitan cities in the world, found black people to be so alien and inexplicable that he would simply assume that crude, lowlife behavior would be their norm.
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              • Author by Brabantio (May 29, 2009 9:15 am ET)
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                Even if you were ever able to back up what you're saying, it would be a commentary about his character. What he was actually saying would still be true. So that doesn't really say anything about his performance.

                I'm just trying to imagine if Tancredo had tried this tack:

                TT:You take things out of context all the time.

                EB:Like when?

                TT:Um, well, everyone knows you do, so you're being hypocritical.

                EB:Um, right. Anyway...

                I don't really care much about the comments made about people's appearances one way or the other. It just seemed sort of ridiculous to put it in the context of evaluating how well he did on the show.
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      • Author by snoopy (May 28, 2009 5:23 pm ET)
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        Agreed. Tancredo just spent his whole time being a bully and trying to prevent anyone else from getting in a word edgewise. And how he can actually say what Alito said was completely different from Sotomayor is just mindnumbingly incredible. But I guess he's got no choice now, he made the statement and like a good little reichpublican, he can't retract it. And his claim that la raza is a kkk for minorities? I hope the democrats play it 24/7 in southern states next election. Racist comments like that will keep them a regional minority party for the next 40 years.
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        • Author by deeznuts (May 28, 2009 5:25 pm ET)
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          la raza is a kkk for minorities?

          I too found that comment dishonest, ugly and grossly out of bounds. But that's Tancredo for ya'.
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        • Author by eweston8542983 (May 28, 2009 11:32 pm ET)
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          The latino cummunity is rightly irked at Tancredo's remarks. Bets on MSM picking up on this?
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        • Author by phredicles (May 29, 2009 12:37 am ET)
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          Yeah, whenever there's a right-winger "debating" someone on the TV or radio, they simply will not shut up and let the other person say anything unobstructed. They must pre-programmed somehow.
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    • Author by seeryer (May 28, 2009 5:18 pm ET)
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      Thank you Eric for letting him go on and on and on. That is how you let your opponent bury himself. You came off a cool and in control and Tancredo came off, well, like Tancredo. Victory for EB!!
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      • Author by fairliberal (May 28, 2009 10:15 pm ET)
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        EB looked like a deer in the headlights, he just had nothing to say. You give him way to much credit.
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        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (May 29, 2009 1:12 am ET)
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          You're still dropping those stupid bombs, I see.
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        • Author by seeryer (May 29, 2009 10:58 am ET)
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          No. He looked like a cool mofo IMO. He was respectful of the forum unlike Tancredo and he was respectful of the host unlike Tancredo and he was not belligerent towards Tancredo despit whole heartedly disagreeing with the insanity he was spouting.
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    • Author by deeznuts (May 28, 2009 5:23 pm ET)
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      Tancredo is a jackass.

      Not 60 seconds after he says judges should ONLY be concerned with the LAW, he says it's OK for Alito to bring his life experience and family experience to the bench.

      And Boehlert is exactly right in saying that Sotomayor's comment is actually LESS controversial than Alito's.

      I agree that Boehlert should have made more of an effort to point out Tancredo's absurd, self-defeating argument. But whaddyagonnado when the discussion is so clearly slanted in favor of the conservative, especially when it comes to time given to make one's case...
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    • Author by Preston (May 28, 2009 5:27 pm ET)
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      You were great, Eric, but god, I wanted to pull my hair out because that freakin' idiot -- i.e. Tancredo -- wouldn't let you get a word in edge wise! I love his reaction when Sanchez quoted Alito saying the same thing. Tancredo tried to dance around that because he knew his argument was pretty much dismantled from that moment on.

      At least he didn't use Hannity's debate tactic when confronted like that: "We're not talking about Alito here, we're talking about Sotomayor's reverse-racism!" Y'know, I always felt the Repiglicans were intellectually bankrupt, but when Joe Scarborough and Bill O'Reilly are the voice of reason regarding their slime tactics nowadays, you know that their ideas are in the gutter.
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    • Author by christian6121485 (May 28, 2009 5:28 pm ET)
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      This Sanchez clown is such a puppet. Why doesn't he just work for Al Jazeera.
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    • Author by teabaggers ♥ [wing]NUTS (May 28, 2009 5:29 pm ET)
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      most of the segment was sanchez and tancredo yelling, and eric just sitting there watching. how was that fairly arguing both sides?
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    • Author by tbone (May 28, 2009 6:07 pm ET)
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      Eric succintly demonstrated Tancredo was factually incorrect, ignoring all context, grasping at straws, and being purposefully obtuse by ignoring prior examples.

      Tancredo's headlong rush to the gutter was blatently obvious. Eric interjected just enough and with an even "temperment" that framed Tancredo as a borderline hysteric with a pathetic argument.
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      • Author by mwade (May 28, 2009 6:33 pm ET)
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        I used to defend right-wingers like Tancredo for simply having a difference of opinion, but after seeing that interview, I'm totally convinced that the the man lacks the mental agility to understand what "context" really means, or at the very least, is too lazy to take the time to read the entire speech with an open and critical mind necessary to see the obvious meaning of Ms. Sontomayor's words.
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    • Author by snoopy (May 28, 2009 6:15 pm ET)
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      This piece is quite interesting. It's about a situation Sotomayor had to deal with right out of college - seems she was subjected to some very inappropriate racist sounding questions that could have damaged her career. Any of the rightwing apologists here care to comment on this?
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    • Author by Daniel Barber (May 28, 2009 6:27 pm ET)
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      While I think Boehlert did a better job of defending and explaining Sotomayor's statements than many others in the media have, he actually fell short on landing the knockout punch in that debate. And all he had to do in order to land that punch, was carry it a little further and rely on the actual "Full" quote that Sanchez put up on the screen earlier in the interview after he'd made his point about the context of the whole thing being within the scope of dealing with race and gender discrimination cases. Here's how he should have handled it:

      "Listen, Rick, here it is in a nutshell. Sonia Sotomayor made the statement she made in the context of speaking about race and sex discrimination cases. And in light of that, let's take a good hard look at what she said. She said, as you just showed, and I quote, "I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life."

      So, she's saying in effect, that in any case involving race or sex discrimination she would HOPE that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would MORE OFTEN THAN NOT reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life."

      She is not advocating that white males are incapable of reaching a better conclusion than Latina women. She's not stating that a Latina women would AUTOMATICALLY reach a better conclusion than a white male. In fact, she's not even stating anything at all about what WOULD happen. She's stating a HOPE. A hope that the richness of the Latina women's experiences would better inform her judgment in regard to race and sex discrimination cases than a white male's who has never been in those shoes.

      In fact, she goes on to recognize that there are many cases in which white males, specifically the 9 white males on the Supreme Courts decades ago, reached great conclusions when it comes to race and sexual discrimination cases. However, she also points out that there have been, at times, "wise" justices such as Oliver Wendell Holmes, whose conclusions on such cases were, and I believe this is the prevailing thought nowadays, completely wrong. Her point being then, that she would HOPE that someone who's lived the life of a minority woman would be able to better make a judgment than say...Oliver Wendell Holmes had in those cases.

      There is nothing racist with that, and anyone who purports to make it so is grasping at straws out of desperation."

      That's what Boehlert should have said. I know he was working under certain time constraints, but if he'd prepared, he probably could have said something like that, had his assistants pare it down a bit, and gotten it all out under thirty seconds to a minute. If he had, the entire case against Sotomayor would have been destroyed, right there. The emphasis should have been placed on talking about the fact she said "I HOPE" and "MORE OFTEN THAN NOT". That is the knockout punch, and he didn't deliver it.
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    • Author by mookie von zipper (May 29, 2009 1:49 am ET)
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      nuance, indeed... while alito did say his experiences shape his decisions, if he had said that he hoped his experiences as a white man would more often than not make him a better judge than a latina woman, he'd rightly be branded a racist...
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      • Author by Brabantio (May 29, 2009 10:11 am ET)
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        If Sotomayor wasn't specifically talking about cases of race/gender discrimination, then the charges of racism might have some validity. And if Alito was talking about cases where white men were discriminated against, then it wouldn't be racist for him to say that he would hope that his personal experiences would give him a better perspective on such matters.
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        • Author by mookie von zipper (May 29, 2009 11:59 am ET)
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          simply saying "better" and leaving it that, maybe. but calling out latina judges, as sotomayor called out white male judges, no. one may give him the benefit of doubt, but far too many would throw down the race card.
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          • Author by Brabantio (May 29, 2009 1:47 pm ET)
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            The courts are not historically loaded with Latina women, so why would Alito specify them? This is part of why trying to flip it around to say "if a white man said this..." doesn't logically hold water. The circumstances are not even remotely comparable.
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            • Author by mookie von zipper (May 29, 2009 9:06 pm ET)
                 
              they are remotely comparable... but i understand there's a lot of white guilt syndrome out there, an affliction making it ok to discriminate against whitey because of past injustices, or simply apologize for latina women specifying white guys...

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    • Author by latanza (May 29, 2009 12:41 pm ET)
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      Okay, say the President has the opportunity to choose another candidate. Let's move on. Any way, mitigating circumstances is the same as empathy. GO Eric! Let me know if i can put something in your cup to work with. Sincerely
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    • Author by jpeagle21 (May 29, 2009 2:13 pm ET)
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      This is priceless hipocracy. This whining on-and-on about "let's consider the conext" from Boehlert is coming from the head of an organization that makes its living on taking one or 2 sentences from Limbaugh's 3-hour show and raping him over it......Oh yea, and without considering the context! Hipocrits.
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      • Author by Brabantio (May 29, 2009 4:04 pm ET)
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        I'm sure you can provide context that makes a comment regarding "anal poisoning" the very apex of refined political discourse. Seriously, if you can ever point out how something else he said changes the meaning of the highlighted quote, you have a comments section you can use for that purpose. Otherwise, the implication that they're supposed to provide the entire transcript of a three-hour show is ludicrous.
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        • Author by latanza (May 30, 2009 11:34 am ET)
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          What? Are you talking to me? Anal Poisining? In not a man and I don't make inflammatory ludacris statements like that and think that intellectuals willl develop some type of intelligence around that type of ignorance.. Be real. What would I know about anal poisining? Should I know? Please divulge some intellect on me. Do they teach this in academic institutions,........Meanwhile, back at the ranch......................
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      • Author by Old_Benjamin (May 29, 2009 6:10 pm ET)
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        taking one or 2 sentences from Limbaugh's 3-hour show and raping him over it.....jpeagle

        I'm really hoping you meant to type "rapping". Otherwise that's is a ridiculous thing to posit and not unoffensive to victims of actual sexual assualt.
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      • Author by latanza (May 30, 2009 11:37 am ET)
           
        They never considered the context of the implications of mitigating circumstances. Is that not empathy? What are Sotomayors judgments like? Do they support the American value system and do they support the Constitution? If so, Sotomayor is within the context of her job description.
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    • Author by latanza (May 30, 2009 11:41 am ET)
         
      Sotomayor should be finding the best civil rights attorney she can! She will have more that 15,000 on her checking or savings account then. She'll really hit a jackpot if she pays these libelist remarks some attention. These statements are not made as a matter of opinion, they are made as if they are facts! When in all truthfulness, they are just opinions that have not been substantiated.
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