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Norm Coleman's a sore loser. Why won't the press say so?

March 31, 2009 7:33 am ET

Any day now, a three-judge panel in Minnesota will rule on Norm Coleman's lawsuit to overturn the results of the state's Senate election recount, which was completed in January. The complete hand recount concluded that the incumbent Republican lost to challenger Al Franken by 225 votes. Coleman demanded a full court case; today, almost nobody, including Coleman's own attorney, thinks the Republican will prevail in the judges' upcoming ruling, which follows a tedious seven-week trial.

End of story, and after a drawn-out, 18-week process, Franken will finally be seated in the U.S. Senate, right? Wrong. If Franken prevails as expected before the three-judge panel, Coleman will then have 10 days to file yet another appeal, this one to the Minnesota Supreme Court. If Coleman loses there as well, Republican leaders in Congress are encouraging him to not give up his legal challenge and take his case all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court, which could create a scenario in which the Minnesota election might not get decided until the fall -- almost a year after voters went to the polls -- even if the Supreme Court refuses to hear the appeal.

As we discovered in Florida back in 2000, the U.S. election system is hardly perfect. And when contests are extraordinarily close and invite unprecedented scrutiny, questions always arise. But states do their best to ensure accuracy, and in the end, even in ridiculously narrow contests, a winner has to be declared and the loser has to accept defeat.

Except, apparently, in Minnesota, where Coleman has adopted the rather unique strategy of litigating his case indefinitely, thereby preventing Democrats from seating their 59th member in the Senate, where 60 votes are needed to cut off filibusters. Meaning, the battle for Franken's seat not only remains a news curiosity, but in terms of politics and power, it's a very big deal and has attracted nationwide press attention.

Coleman, of course, has the right to appeal his case, just as other suspicious second-place candidates have done in the past. What seems to be unique is this case, though, is how so much of the press coverage has politely refrained from suggesting that Coleman's a sore loser for adopting his marathon litigation approach.

Traditionally, candidates who lost and cried foul had a rather short window to prove their case before the media lost patience and started calling the candidate out as petulant and self-involved. Just ask Al Gore, who was hounded in the press by the specter of the "sore loser" label practically from the moment he withdrew his concession in the early morning hours following Election Day. I doubt a day went by during the Florida recount when there wasn't a "sore loser" reference to Gore in the press. (In Nexis, I found nearly 900 "sore loser" press mentions in Gore articles between November and December 2000.)

For some reason, Coleman has been able to mostly avoid the dreaded "sore loser" label, one that can be a career-killer for any politician. Instead, the press has largely given Coleman and his Republican supporters an open canvas on which to operate. (A Nexis search finds just a handful of "sore loser" media mentions regarding Coleman since November.) As Coleman and his attorneys look over their recount legal options, they in no way have to be concerned about or factor into play the potential "sore loser" meme that could do real damage to his effort. They can play hardball with impunity because they're getting a free pass from the press.

The strange part is that Coleman's getting that press pass even though some members of the Republican Party have been brazenly open in discussing the Minnesota case in terms of a blatant stall campaign specifically designed to thwart Democrats from securing the critical 59th seat in the U.S. Senate. (A quirk in Minnesota election law means Franken, the state's winner to date, cannot be seated in the Senate while Coleman's appeals process plays out in Minnesota courts.)

"The battle in Washington is real. Every day in the Senate without Al Franken is a great day," Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) recently told a Tulsa audience. Politico reported that Republicans back the idea of Coleman appealing his case indefinitely because "a long fight is worth it if it keeps Franken from becoming the 59th Senate Democrat, which would give President Barack Obama a huge advantage over the next two years."

Even when Republicans cast the litigation marathon as a way to simply freeze out Franken, the press and its army of commentators remain distant, reluctant to cast aspersions on Coleman's rope-a-dope campaign. In fact, a recent Wall Street Journal article on the delays ("Minnesota Senate Standoff Plays Into GOP's Hands") seemed to tip its hat to Republicans for so effectively stymieing Democrats [emphasis added]:

Four months after Election Day, the fight over Minnesota's U.S. Senate seat drags on with no clear end in sight. And that may be working to the Republicans' advantage. Party leaders say they are digging in for a prolonged legal process, keeping Democrats from claiming a seat they think is theirs -- and hampering the majority party's ability to push through its agenda.

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But Republicans can claim a kind of strategic victory by blocking the Democratic former comedian's path to the Senate, which requires 60 votes to pass controversial items.

Only in the article's final paragraph did the Journal even hint that Coleman's marathon appeal process might -- just might -- have a political downside.

I think the free pass from the press has emboldened the Minnesota Republican and his army of attorneys in recent weeks. It's emboldened them precisely because there seems to be nothing they can do that will spark a "sore loser" backlash. For instance, earlier this month, Coleman's lawyers, after suffering a number of courtroom setbacks, wrote to the three-judge panel asking it to take the extraordinary step of setting aside the November vote and basically having the state, four months after the fact, revote. Claiming it would be impossible for the judges to pick a winner, Coleman's legal team suddenly wanted to start from scratch.

The ploy was a stunner and may have redefined election season chutzpah: It would have been like Gore's attorneys suddenly asking for a complete Florida revote amidst their oral arguments to the U.S. Supreme Court.

"[Y]owza!" Twittered ABC's Jake Tapper when reading the Coleman news. But interestingly, the Coleman call for a revote received very little attention (i.e. actual press coverage) inside the Beltway, and very few in the press treated the request as unusual, let alone borderline bizarre.

For the three days following Coleman's jaw-dropping request, the news received no coverage in The New York Times, The Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, or USA Today. Coleman's request was all the more amazing considering there is there no mechanism or precedent under Minnesota law to allow for such an event. (Only the U.S. Senate could approve a total revote for Minnesota.)

The Hail Mary received zero network television news coverage and garnered just a passing reference on cable news, which came on MSNBC's Hardball. (At least that was the only cable reference found on Nexis; not every cable show's transcripts are archived there.) Even more incredibly, while discussing Coleman's extraordinary do-over request, the Hardball guests focused on Franken's reportedly low approval ratings among Minnesota voters. In other words, they wondered how Coleman's drawn-out election lawsuit was hurting Franken's reputation.

But imagine if the roles were reversed and Franken, the Democrat and former comedian (the press loves to stress that fact), had pulled a last-minute, let's-change-the-rules stunt while his attorneys plotted out even more long-shot legal appeals. I suspect that not only would the story have been thoroughly chewed over by Beltway scribes, but the media disdain would have been unmistakable and unvarnished.

Just ask Al Gore. In 2000, during the contentious recount process in Florida, the press made it abundantly plain that Gore not only faced an uphill battle winning the recount, but that he ran the risk of being dubbed a sore loser, a risk that had to weigh heavily into his recount strategy. The legal action surrounding Florida lasted just five weeks -- compared with the almost 20 weeks already taken up by the Minnesota wrangling -- but the "sore loser" meme was everywhere:

  • "By energetically pressing that point, Republicans said they hoped to convey that Mr. Bush's ascent to the White House was inevitable -- and that sore losers in the vice president's camp were trying to steal the election from him." [The New York Times, 11/9/2000]
  • "Mr. Bush's advisers accused the Gore campaign of playing fast and loose with the facts of the disputed vote in Florida, and they came to a news conference here armed with voter registration statistics, visual aids and pointed implications that Vice President Al Gore and his allies were acting like sore losers." [The New York Times, 11/10/2000]
  • "In announcing that they would contest election results in Miami-Dade County (and perhaps elsewhere) in court, as allowed under Florida law, Mr. Gore's lawyers risked making Mr. Gore look, at least in legal terms, like the one thing he had struggled for days not to be seen as: a sore loser." [The New York Times, 11/24/2000]
  • " In blunt, often brutal language reminiscent of the rhetoric aimed at President Clinton during his impeachment and trial, Gore is portrayed as a win-at-any-cost sore loser with a penchant for lying and a death wish for his party." [The Washington Post, 11/30/2000]
  • "Republicans are already undertaking a public relations counteroffensive that will portray Gore as the ultimate sore loser." [The Washington Post, 11/27/2000]
  • "But the official said the manual recounts must show a steady, even if slow, net gain in newfound votes for Gore. Otherwise, momentum will fade and Gore's continued legal battles will seem the desperate grasps of a sore loser." [The Washington Post, 11/17/2000]

And that was just a portion of the Times and Post news coverage. Everywhere Gore turned in late 2000, the press was warning him about the dangers of becoming (or being seen as) a sore loser. Either that, or the press was constantly reminding the public about how Republicans wanted to portray the Democrat. (Via the press, of course.)

Yet in all of their Coleman coverage since Election Day, neither the Post nor the Times has ever published the phrase "sore loser" in connection to the endless Minnesota litigation. And that's been the media rule in print and television. It's simply not something that Coleman or Republicans have to concern themselves with, which in turn provides them with enormous wiggle room for upcoming appeals.

If Coleman soon suffers yet another recount loss and appeals to the Minnesota Supreme Court, will the press finally dip its toe into the sore loser pool? What if Coleman loses at the Minnesota Supreme Court in April or May and then appeals to the U.S. Supreme Court, which could then tie up the Senate seat into next year? Will the press then suggest Coleman and Republicans are sore losers?

Is there any point along Coleman's unprecedented litigious path at which the press will apply the same standard to a Republican that it applied to a Democrat?

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    • Author by pros2pros2940 (March 31, 2009 7:59 am ET)
         

      THe difference is the right wing noise machine.  It's so influential that it can gin up something from nothing and the mainstream press follows along.

      With it's national radio presence the press feels obligated to follow along

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      • Author by roundhouse (March 31, 2009 8:52 am ET)
           

        That's a good point. Journalists don't want the hard right talkers to unleash their zombie corp. of eliminationists on them. Some seriously unstable and violent people follow Limbaugh and Hannity.

        As a side note, isn't it Republicans who hate them some trial lawyers? Sshhhuhh, guess not.  

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        • Author by mary59 (March 31, 2009 10:38 am ET)
             

          Well there's lawyers and there's lawyers.  Those crook-ked class action liberal lawyers, stealing money away from righteous corporations...

          then there's those hallelujah righteous lawyers that fight endlessly for Norm Coleman's right to be in the Senate, against all odds and votes. ;-)

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          • Author by shoes89 (March 31, 2009 10:44 am ET)
               

            Of course Franken is winning. Franken's lawyers out-hustled Coleman by getting votes counted twice for Franken. Then they got votes in Coleman-friendly areas rejected. (link: "That these ballots were counted twice is not a mere hypothesis—the Wall Street Journal reports that in 25 Minnesota precincts there were more ballots counted than voters who voted. This produced a vote gain for Franken, in circumstances that members of both parties ought to consider indefensible.")

            The bias in the media here is that they haven't reported this. If it were Coleman cheating like Franken did, this would be a national news story.

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            • Author by roundhouse (March 31, 2009 10:49 am ET)
                 

              The National Review? Seriously?

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            • Author by mary59 (March 31, 2009 10:50 am ET)
                 

              congratulations shoes.  You're the first to put up the debunked double vote myth!  Please shower yourself with confetti and take the rest of the day off...

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              • Author by mary59 (March 31, 2009 11:15 am ET)
                   

                Just to brace for the inevitable blather from righties about the election, here's an early debunk of the first lies Coleman's camp told about the election:

                http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6665

                As for the votes counted twice stuff:  http://www.factcheck.org/elections/mining_the_minnesota_recount.html

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                • Author by snoopy (March 31, 2009 2:44 pm ET)
                     

                  while at bradblog did you see the report he had on republicans under indictment for changing votes on diebold machines and showing other republican precint officers how to do it too? They apparently changed the outcomes of several elections. Wonder why the press doesn't report that as they blather on about voter fraud?

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                  • Author by mary59 (March 31, 2009 4:17 pm ET)
                       

                    Didn't see that, o wondrous beagle.  I'll check it out tonight, thanks.

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                • Author by shoes89 (March 31, 2009 3:56 pm ET)
                     

                  LOL!

                  Your FactCheck link only confirmed what I said! By no means does that FactCheck post dispute the "double-vote" claim by the Coleman camp. Thank you!

                  Again: "That these ballots were counted twice is not a mere hypothesis—the Wall Street Journal reports that in 25 Minnesota precincts there were more ballots counted than voters who voted. This produced a vote gain for Franken, in circumstances that members of both parties ought to consider indefensible."

                  But ballots being counted twice IS something that's defended - here at Media Matters.

                  Sad. Very sad, indeed.

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                  • Author by BillJ-MN (March 31, 2009 4:17 pm ET)
                       

                    Ballots being counted twice is something that is imagined - in the fevered dreams of a few conservatives.  It isn't shown in reality.  A WSJ opinion piece doesn't change that.

                    A little while ago I issued a challenge.  If there were 25 precincts where there were more ballots than voters, tell us what precincts those were and what the discrepancies were.  If it's a fact, you should be able to find that information.

                    You won't be able to because it's not true.  It's just a talking point.

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                  • Author by mary59 (March 31, 2009 4:18 pm ET)
                       

                    Sorry sweetie, the factcheck link doesn't prove your point.  It says that there could have been some double counting, which has in no way been proven, but not enough to erase Franken's lead.

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                  • Author by BillJ-MN (March 31, 2009 4:50 pm ET)
                       

                    Come on, shoes, support your claim.

                    Which precincts?  What are the numbers?

                    You wouldn't say things you can't support, would you?

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                    • Author by BillJ-MN (March 31, 2009 6:56 pm ET)
                         

                      Shoes?  Reality is calling.  Are you there?

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                      • Author by shoes89 (April 02, 2009 1:20 pm ET)
                           

                        The fact that there are more votes than ballots than actual voters in several precincts has NEVER been disputed by anyone or either of the campaigns.

                        That's the fact. I know you have trouble facing the dishonesty of your Party, but that's a simple reality.

                        Get over it.

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                  • Author by carlileb5935 (March 31, 2009 5:24 pm ET)
                       

                    the Wall Street Journal reports that in 25 Minnesota precincts there were more ballots counted than voters who voted.

                    Perfect ! The WSJ opinion page! That's where I get my news.

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                  • Author by thejbomb65 (April 01, 2009 10:21 am ET)
                       

                    you should read the above posts about REpublicans changing vote tallys in diebold machines.

                    and how about using a more cerdible source for your information thant just a news paper that has a known bias. im talking the national review using a WSJ article....WSJ being owned by Rupert.

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              • Author by foghornleghorn (March 31, 2009 11:34 am ET)
                   

                Another patented "Shoes' Hit and Run". 

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            • Author by thejbomb65 (March 31, 2009 11:00 am ET)
                 

              ok shoes, seriously you need to take a break ok?

              Franken WON.

              the neo cons openly admit to stalling. you have nothing!

              oh and by the way....a question. when will michelle bachmann give her next report from behind enemy lines?

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            • Author by thejbomb65 (March 31, 2009 11:02 am ET)
                 

              ok the WSJ.....isnt that the same one owned by RUPERT MURDOCH!?

              the same guy who owns FIXED NOSIE! and THE NY POST.

              all vanity bullcrap stuff that has been caught numerous times spouting bull neo con talking points.

              please SHUT UP NOW!

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            • Author by BillJ-MN (March 31, 2009 11:04 am ET)
                 

              That WSJ article is an opinion piece, not a news article and it has been soundly debunked.  There is not evidence that votes were counted twice.

              That line about 25 precincts with more votes than voters has been echoed quite frequently here.  However, it's never been supported by evidence.  It has, though, been debunked in a few cases.  There are some cases where they compared the votes in the recount with the election night machine counts.  The problem with that is that the machines sometimes don't count some ballots, which is why they have the hand recounts.  There were also cases where they compared the total of election night ballots plus the absentee ballots and compared that with the election day voters.  Obviously, the inclusion of absentee ballots means there would be more ballots.

              As I said, that 25 precincts number has been tossed out a lot.  I offer you the same challenge I give to local republicans who make the claim.  Try to back it up.  See if you can find any listing of what those precincts are and what the discrepancies are.  You'll fail.  There is no list because it's more talking point than fact.

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              • Author by BillJ-MN (March 31, 2009 11:10 am ET)
                   

                By "echoed quite frequently here" I meant here in MN, not here in MMFA.

                To actually support the "25 precinct" claim, a person would have to actually go over the precinct sign-in books to discover how many voters signed in, add that total to the number of absentee ballots, and compare that total to the number of votes counted.

                THAT HASN'T BEEN DONE!!!  With the exception of a couple of precincts for which there was a special reason to count the sign-ins, no one has done a hand count of the election day voters to be able to make the claim.

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            • Author by scanlontodd9871 (March 31, 2009 12:41 pm ET)
                 

              Shoes89 I don't know if you are from Minnesota or not but I am. I can tell you that the media reports thta have come out saying there were doouble votes is absolutely false. Our governor who is Republican by the way has come out and said this. Our election process here in Minnesota is probably the best one in the country. Of course this is my opinion and mine only. According to state statute an election outcome as close as this turned out to be calls for an automatic recount. What Norm coleman did not want was absentee ballots counted. Al Franken said count every vote which always should be done. That Wall Street Journal qoute that you posted turned out to be false as well.

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            • Author by NiceguyEddie (April 01, 2009 9:43 am ET)
                 

              This nonsense has been thoroghly debunked multiple times.  You ought to broaden your news sources a little bit... go beyond watching Fox and then setting out to "debunk" MMFA.  Now go do your homework.

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            • Author by bphoon (April 01, 2009 7:56 pm ET)
                 

              1) The claim that any votes for Franken were counted twice was rejected out of hand by the court, which, btw, was comprised of a judge appointed by a Republican governor, one appointed by a Democrat and third appointed by an Independent.

              2) Absentee ballots in this election have now been gone over five times. That the court will allow only 400 to be reviewed, I think, says something about our procedures here.

              3) Franken has let--even encouraged--the legal process to go forward at its own pace.

              4) This *IS* a national news story.

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            • Author by historygeek001 (April 02, 2009 11:30 am ET)
                 

              You realize, of course, that your story has been disproved several times...

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          • Author by roundhouse (March 31, 2009 10:50 am ET)
               

            Amen, sister. Onward fascist soldiers. ;)

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        • Author by mybrotherskeeper (March 31, 2009 7:11 pm ET)
             

          "Win, baby, win!" That is the only Republican principle that counts anymore.

          As for the lack of media coverage, we haven't seen much mainstream coverage of Bill O'Reilly's stalking incident have we? Curious how so much info gets confined to the liberal media ghettos, isnt it? 

          Which reminds me: don't forget to catch Frontline tonight. The subject is U.S. health care and includes more info about how insurance companies systematically deny coverage to their policyholders. (Last week, eclipsed by the presidential pres conference, the subject was a comparison of health care in other countries, still available online.)

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          • Author by carlileb5935 (March 31, 2009 10:24 pm ET)
               

            we haven't seen much mainstream coverage of Bill O'Reilly's stalking incident have we?

            That's because O'Reilly wasn't stalking her. His reporters followed her to get a response-- which is what reporters do-- and she actually gave them one!

            In almost every state, stalking and harassment charges require multiple incidents. That didn't happen here. And if the woman was unhappy with them, why didn't she refuse to talk to them and press charges?

            Hate to say it-- BOR's a jerk, but this Olbremann-tainted issue is a phony one. Just like claiming BOR defends rapists and kidnappers. Tain't so-- it's bogus to slam O'Reilly on this-- intellectually dishonest, in fact. But that's not news with Olbermann, unfortunately.

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            • Author by NiceguyEddie (April 01, 2009 9:45 am ET)
                 

              Just like claiming BOR defends rapists and kidnappers. Tain't so-- it's bogus to slam O'Reilly on this-- intellectually dishonest, in fact.

              Balderdash.  He balmed the victim.  THAT'S a fact.  You can look it up.  Doing such, excuses the perp, just as KO claims it does.  BO is KO'd completely on this one.

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            • Author by thejbomb65 (April 01, 2009 11:40 am ET)
                 

              yeah but Keith brought attention to it and so did rachel

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          • Author by roundhouse (April 01, 2009 10:15 am ET)
               

            Thanks for the heads up, but I missed it last night. I'll find it online.

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      • Author by faithfuldem (March 31, 2009 11:21 am ET)
           

        i couldnt agree more

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    • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (March 31, 2009 8:16 am ET)
         

      From the article:

      Is there any point along Coleman's unprecedented litigious path at which the press will apply the same standard to a Republican that it applied to a Democrat?

      Is the Pope Protestant?

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    • Author by IRONY 101 (March 31, 2009 8:16 am ET)
         

      But, Eric, everyone knows that the Democrat (sic) Party is engaged in a huge, illicit power grab...you know, like increasing their power through valid elections. Democrats will stop at nothing in their hunger for power...and they must be stopped. <sarcasm>

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    • Author by jflz201884 (March 31, 2009 8:21 am ET)
         

      My guess is that the "sore loser" label is reserved for Franken on the off-chance that Coleman's desperate tactics somehow succeed.  After all, the news media largely regard Franken as a clown, a Democratic one at that. As Eric noted, the comedian angle gets lots of play. (To hear Franken speak or to read his books is to realize he is a bright guy.) 

      Meantime, the news media can afford to downplay -- or even ignore -- the U.S. Senate election tussle because unlike a presidential battle, it is not fought on Olympus.

      Jerry Elsea

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      • Author by Meremark (March 31, 2009 12:48 pm ET)
           

        'Success' is having the most votes, not "tactics."  There's only one tactic:  Count the ballots.  They did, officially, openly, and thoroughly.  Franken WON.  Success.

        The label 'sore loser' is too much of a stretch to apply to Coleman.  He's NOT a sore loser.  He's a LAUGHINGSTOCK.

        He's a boob, a pawn, a fop, an complete disgrace to his family, friends and life.

        When -- and it is inevitable -- he has served the futile false talking-point purpose of his sociopathic Rovian bosses, Coleman will be toasted and ground into crumbs, crumbled on the ground.  for birds to peck.

        If solons are supposedly so wise, purportedly, what part of his GOP gang of pukes being murderous backstabbers of their underling terrified fear-sick team players doesn't he understand?  With an ounce of personal integrity in his little finger, (as if), Coleman would concede, shut up, and retire into anonymous ignominy while he's still got breath.

        ---

        See:  The NTSB Failed Wellstone -- Ignored evidence and suppressed investigations, by Jim Fetzer and John Costella, speical to From The Wilderness, (c) 2005

        See also:  Was Paul Wellstone Murdered, by Michael C. Ruppert, Nov. 1, 2002 and sequel, ... Updates.

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    • Author by BillJ-MN (March 31, 2009 8:31 am ET)
         

      I'd like to see the Senate thumb their noses at Cornyn and seat Franken after the MN Supreme Court appeal.  They've been denying him his seat based on MN law that says the Governer's and Secretary of State's offices can't issue a certificate of election until after the state court appeals have been concluded.  However, the MN SC ruled "if the Senate believes delay in seating the second Senator from Minnesota adversely affects the Senate, it has the authority to remedy the situation and needs no certificate of election from the Governor to do so."

      While Senator Amy Klobuchar is bright, hard-working and capable, she shouldn't have to handle all constituent issues by herself indefinitely.  The state shouldn't be underrepresented on votes indefinitely.  MN needs a second Senator and Franken won the election.  C'mon, Reid, grow a pair and do what's right.

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      • Author by roundhouse (March 31, 2009 8:58 am ET)
           

        Bill, you make  the mistake of believing, at this critical moment in history, that Republicans are the least bit interested in the public good. You underestimate their lust for political domination. 

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        • Author by BillJ-MN (March 31, 2009 10:39 am ET)
             

          I don't see where I'm making that mistake.  I'm calling on Senate Democrats to disregard republican game-playing and do the right thing, seating Franken as soon as the MN SC rules.  At that point, the requirements of MN law will have been met.  Hopefully, the MN SC will also do the right thing and expedite their part in Coleman's farce of a lawsuit.

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          • Author by roundhouse (March 31, 2009 10:43 am ET)
               

            I got that. I was using levity.

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            • Author by mary59 (March 31, 2009 11:30 am ET)
                 

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              • Author by snoopy (March 31, 2009 11:59 am ET)
                   

                How ironic is that?

                But really, Coleman sure is a sore loser. Al Gore had more class than the entire republican party combined.

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                • Author by roundhouse (March 31, 2009 2:02 pm ET)
                     

                  Nice.

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                • Author by carlileb5935 (March 31, 2009 5:27 pm ET)
                     

                  Anyone else remember how the press giggled at the mere thought of Al Gore putting up a fight? It was like, 'get over it, buddy.'

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              • Author by shaggles (March 31, 2009 12:56 pm ET)
                   

                I kind of forgot that Coleman was calling for Senator Franken to step aside prior to the recount. That makes him seem like even more of a tool (if that's possible.)

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              • Author by roundhouse (March 31, 2009 2:03 pm ET)
                   

                Perfect.

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              • Author by snoopy (March 31, 2009 2:22 pm ET)
                   

                I just e-mailed that comic to Norm's senate campaign headquarters!

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    • Author by captfoster2 (March 31, 2009 9:14 am ET)
         

      Perhaps MMfA... you should have added one simple word to this sentence...

      "They can play hardball with impunity because they're getting a "nearly" free pass from the press."

      Only because just prior to that, you had said that there were a few references to "sore loser" and Coleman's name in a Lexus search...

      You know how picky all the trolls and Republican defenders are when it comes to minor errors in wording... etc etc

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    • Author by achrispage6992 (March 31, 2009 9:42 am ET)
         

      Maybe there was more press attention paid to Gore because it was a PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION!!!!!  I guess Boehlert wants the national press to mention Coleman as a sore loser 900 times so that things will be fair, even though this is an election for a  Senate seat from the state of Minnesota and not an election for the leader of the free world.

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      • Author by roundhouse (March 31, 2009 9:54 am ET)
           

        Would ya settle for a percentage of the coverage? If 60% of the Gore coverage mentioned sore loser, could ya get behind 60% of Coleman's coverage mentioning sore loser?

        Ya know, in the name of balance and neutrality.

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      • Author by captfoster2 (March 31, 2009 10:04 am ET)
           

        You are missing the point!

        While you are correct that this is for a Senate seat and the Gore/Bush thing was for the presidency...and that the importance level is not quite the same... still, we are talking about state representation... and the fact that it is not for the presidency makes no diference... so your argument is weak.

        It is amazing at the near free ride Coleman is getting nonetheless. The state of MN is not able to be represented due to Coleman's whinning. That's the point.

        Before the recount, it was Coleman demanding that Franken drop out before a proper recount was performed, the media went wild with cries of variations of "cry baby" against Franken... a recount is done... Franken is in the lead now...

        I'm curious achrispage, if the roles were reversed and it was Franken now on the losing end... would you be saying the same thing or would you be in here claiming Al Franken was a sore loser still?

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        • Author by achrispage6992 (March 31, 2009 10:29 am ET)
             

          My argument is not weak. Boehlert made the comparison therefore he is trying to equate the two in terms of media attention. There is a reason that the 2000 election got more press. If you can't see that then it is quite obvious that it is you who is missing the point.  How can you say with a straight face that it makes no difference that one race was for the Presidency of the United States? If you are trying to equate a Senator with the President in importance or a race for those positions for that matter, you are on very weak ground sir. People in Georgia (for example) by virtue of the office in question are much more interested in a Presidential race then a senate race in Minnesota. Why you fail to see that is beyond me.

          As for you question regarding Franken, I'm not sure what you are talking about. If the roles were reversed it would make no difference. That race does not garner the attention of a presidential race, nor should it.  To complain that Al Gore was called a sore loser 900 times and Coleman wasn't is ridiculous. The point isn't about Minnesota not being represented because of Coleman's whinning. Boehlert said himself that Coleman is perfectly within his rights to pursue this legally. Boehlert is trying to point out that the press is somehow biased here because they called Al Gore a sore loser 900 times and have not done so to Coleman. I'm saying that the difference between the two situations is obvious which would logically acount for the decreased press coverage.

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          • Author by Brabantio (March 31, 2009 10:36 am ET)
               

            "Boehlert said himself that Coleman is perfectly within his rights to pursue this legally. Boehlert is trying to point out that the press is somehow biased here because they called Al Gore a sore loser 900 times and have not done so to Coleman."

            As Roundhouse suggested, that would make less coverage understandable, but it doesn't make a disproportionate amount understandable.  The issue isn't about whether anyone has rights to pursue such a case legally anyway.  The "sore loser" commentary is based on the politics of the situation, it's about a risk of perception that the candidate faces.  Even though it's smaller in scale than a presidential election, the point that the media doesn't seem to be worried about that perception applying to Coleman remains.

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            • Author by achrispage6992 (March 31, 2009 10:41 am ET)
                 

              "The "sore loser" commentary is based on the politics of the situation, it's about a risk of perception that the candidate faces.  Even though it's smaller in scale than a presidential election, the point that the media doesn't seem to be worried about that perception applying to Coleman remains"

              I disagree completely. The reason the media doesn't seem to be worried about that perception applying to Coleman is because this race is in fact smaller in scale than a Presidential election. Besides, how can one determine what is disproportionate in this instance. Who makes that decision and based on what precedent?

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              • Author by Brabantio (March 31, 2009 10:45 am ET)
                   

                "Disproportionate" would apply to the amount of coverage and the amount of "sore loser" mentions.

                Why would the perception not apply simply because it's a lesser race?  That makes absolutely no sense at all.  If you had a mayoral race like this, I would expect the local papers to bring up that angle.  Coleman can still run for other positions in the future, and a reputation as a sore loser would have an effect on that.

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                • Author by achrispage6992 (March 31, 2009 11:09 am ET)
                     

                  It makes absolute sense to me. The perception would not apply BECAUSE it is a lesser race. Obviously you and Boehlert feel that a senate race should hold the same national attention as a Presidential race. Are you saying that the two stories should receive the same amount of coverage? I'm telling you that I believe people in other states are much more interested in a Presidential race than a Minnesota senate race. That is why the national media reported much more on the 2000 race than this race.

                  As for your definition of how disproportinate would apply; that makes no sense at all, unless of course you are indicatng that a senate race should receive the same attention as a Presidential race. So I guess it is you who is determining what is and what isn't disproportionate in this instance? You and I both know that for your argument to have any validity you would need to show that there are a proportionate number of news stories, regardng this angle, about the 2000 race when compared to the Minnesota Senate race. I'm guessing you will have a rather hard time doing that.

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                  • Author by Brabantio (March 31, 2009 11:16 am ET)
                       

                    You are confused.

                    Let's say there were 1800 articles about the Presidential race, and 900 of them brought up "sore loser".  Let's say there are 1000 articles about the Minnesota Senate race (it's still a nationally covered story), and 20 or so bring up "sore loser".  That's not proportionate.  That's what the word means.  I'm not indicating in any way that they're supposed to get the same amount of coverage.

                    "Disproportionate" would apply to the amount of coverage and the amount of "sore loser" mentions.

                    Read it again.  I'm talking about a ratio.

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                    • Author by Brabantio (March 31, 2009 11:22 am ET)
                         

                      Let me add my previous statement:"As Roundhouse suggested, that would make less coverage understandable, but it doesn't make a disproportionate amount understandable."

                      That was in response to your comment about the number of times the "sore loser" point came up.  It's understandable it wouldn't come up as much, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't come up in proportion to how it did in the Gore story.

                      I hope that clarifies.

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              • Author by roundhouse (March 31, 2009 10:47 am ET)
                   

                The precedent is already set, Gore v. Bush. Remember?

                But you seem to think the stakes aren't as high in the MN election. Why? Progress on the road to recovery is being impeded by this Republican game. That's a pretty serious betrayal of the public trust.

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                • Author by achrispage6992 (March 31, 2009 11:26 am ET)
                     

                   Yes I do think the stakes are not as high in the MN election. For obvious reasons I believe that a Presidential election especially the one in 2000  and 2008 was much more important that this senate race. You lived through the last eight years, do you disagree? I also would submit that on a national scale the American public is much more interested in a Presidential race than a Minnesota Senate race, that is why there was more stories about the 2000 situation in the media, unless of course you believe that the media reports on things the public isn't interested in. I would submit that the people in Minnesota thought so to since more votes were cast in the Presidential race than the Senate race in 2008. Also, your contention that progress on the road to recovery is being impeded by this Republican game is a good argument and I really can't disagree, but that isn't the point I am trying to make here. My point is that there is a clear reason that the media reported more on the 2000 Presidential race than the 2008 Minnesota Senate race. And as such, Boehlert's claim seems invalid, to me anyway.

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                  • Author by jamesB (March 31, 2009 12:02 pm ET)
                       

                    you are absolutely correct in your analysis here.  apples and oranges.

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                    • Author by Brabantio (March 31, 2009 12:22 pm ET)
                         

                      Chris can't explain it, so you give it a shot.  Why does it being a lesser race make a proportionate discussion of "sore loser" impossible?  Why would that discussion be out-of-bounds or irrelevant or whatever else no matter how small the race was?

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                      • Author by LuvLuLu (March 31, 2009 12:49 pm ET)
                           

                        Coleman is a sore loser. When stories about this race get published, some reasonable proportion of them should mention that he's a sore loser.

                        He's much more of a sore loser than Gore was. A larger percentage of stories about this recent election should call Coleman a sore loser than what called Gore a sore loser.

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                        • Author by foghornleghorn (March 31, 2009 1:26 pm ET)
                             

                          In 2000, what was the mantra of the right?

                          Move on.  Get over it.  It's settled.  Bush won.  Gore lost.  Move on.  It became a movement.  It's time for Coleman to simply move on.

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                  • Author by pete592 (March 31, 2009 1:04 pm ET)
                       


                    "Yes I do think the stakes are not as high in the MN election."

                    Maybe not for everyone, and maybe not for you, especially if you're not a resident of Minnesota, and you're not being held hostage by the Republicans and denied full representation in the Senate.

                    Democrat Amy Klobuchar also is eager for it to end. Being the lone Minnesota [senator] has been a “challenge,” she told Politico, saying her home-state office has been flooded with phone calls and said her staff has seen its casework double in size.

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                  • Author by roundhouse (March 31, 2009 2:13 pm ET)
                       

                    You make some good points. The presidential election was a bigger deal, however, this isn't necessarily about 'more' media coverage. This about scalar proportions. Why was Gore, in the eyes of the media majority, more guilty of sour  grapes than Coleman?

                    Then again, Boehlert, doesn't address percentages in his article, so I concede I may be taking an obtuse perspective.  

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          • Author by NiceguyEddie (April 01, 2009 10:17 am ET)
               

            It's a double standard, pure and simple.  There was no reason to apply the label to Gore.  And if you think there was, then it MUST be applied to Coleman.  The higher stakes (in 2000) only made it MORE IMPORTANT to get it right!  And Bush won by getting the SCOTUS to take the unprecidented step of STOPPING the recount!  AGAINST STATE LAW!  In this case, the rsoucnt is done.  He lost.  Period.  If there wever was a reason to apply the label to Gore, it applies MORE SO to Coleman.  And given the high profile of Franken and the race in general, it's getting enough coverage.  The coverage just isn't consistent with how they've acted in the past, when the tables were turned.  You fail.

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      • Author by fylbert (March 31, 2009 10:06 am ET)
           

        there are a bunch of other hypocracies angles here to analyse,  Coleman was calling on Franken to concede because the people's business must be done and it's time to moveon and stop wasting money, yet the margin of victory after the initial count was scarcely different, when Franken was behind how many times was he called a sore loser and or how many times have the press suggested Democrats are trying to steal the election?

        How often were bush or coleman called hypocrits for their legal endruns after calling on the opponent a sore loser and warning them against challenging the election?

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        • Author by achrispage6992 (March 31, 2009 10:38 am ET)
             

          Good point, but I didn't get the impression that Boehlert was addressing these different angles in his item. HIs beef seems to be that the press isn't paying as much attention to this because of party affiliation. He uses the 2000 Presidential election to validate this. I'm saying that is a bad comparison.

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      • Author by wookie (March 31, 2009 10:25 am ET)
           

        The number of Senators available to vote on issues is an important national concern. The fact that Republicans consider an empty seat as good as Coleman tells us something about them.

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        • Author by achrispage6992 (March 31, 2009 10:34 am ET)
             

          Maybe so, but that in no way says anything about the press not calling Coleman a sore loser as many times as Al Gore was called a sore loser. Again, one instance was for a Presidential election therefore it will obviously get much more press attention. Hence the 900 times Al Gore was called "sore loser." Anyway, if you don't want Coleman to rightfully purseu his legal options then perhaps you should lobby to change the law. I'm no Coleman supporter but someting tells me that if Franken was 235 votes behind none of you would have a problem with him pursuing all his legal rights.

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          • Author by Brabantio (March 31, 2009 10:42 am ET)
               

            "I'm no Coleman supporter but someting tells me that if Franken was 235 votes behind none of you would have a problem with him pursuing all his legal rights."

            I would say that Coleman should be seated until the issue can be resolved, though.  Fylbert's point about Coleman calling on Franken to concede is a good one here, too.

            Does Coleman have a legal right to a revote?  That seems extraordinary.  I would also say that if there's some reason to believe that Coleman has a valid argument, that makes a difference.  Continuing to pursue further legal avenues simply to keep Franken out of the Senate longer is not respectable by any standard.

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            • Author by mary59 (March 31, 2009 10:53 am ET)
                 

              In doing a quick google search for "sore loser", this link from January, from what looks like a right-leaning blog emerged, encouraging Coleman to concede because that would make him look better.  The comments section has some interesting stuff, too.

              http://mnpublius.com/2009/01/my-advice-for-norm-coleman/

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            • Author by BillJ-MN (March 31, 2009 10:54 am ET)
                 

              Does Coleman have a legal right to a revote? - Brabantio

              There is no provision under MN law that allows for a new election.  The law only allows for the recount that was completed and legal challenges.  Coleman knew he wouldn't get a revote.  His motion was designed solely to cast doubt on the recount process.

              He's always been one of the slimier examples of republican.

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              • Author by foghornleghorn (March 31, 2009 4:49 pm ET)
                   

                He's always been one of the slimier examples of republican.

                Isn't he from New Jersey?  Not that there's anything wrong with that and not like other politicians have moved (JFK) in order to get elected, but thank God Minnesotans woke up (barely) and voted this guy out of office.

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                • Author by BillJ-MN (March 31, 2009 5:04 pm ET)
                     

                  Close.  He was born and grew up in New York.  He got a job in MN after graduating from an Iowa college.  In his bids for statewide and national office he has now lost to an ex-wrestler and an ex-comedian.  The only race he won came after his opponent (Wellstone) died immediately before the election.  And that was very close.

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          • Author by BillJ-MN (March 31, 2009 10:51 am ET)
               

            roundhouse and Brabantio are correct and you refuse to address their points.  The point of this article is NOT to suggest that the number of instances of "sore loser" references should be equal between Coleman and Gore.  The point is the overwhelmingly different tone of coverage.  A larger proportion of the 2000 coverage of Gore took on the "sore loser" attitude in the quotes that were chosen for coverage than we are seeing with Coleman.

            Overall, the coverage of Coleman's lawsuits has been very respectful, while the coverage of Gore's challenges at the time were largely very critical.  And I don't believe that the coverage would be the same if Franken and Coleman's roles were reversed.  Even now, you're more likely to find "stealing the election" charges against Franken than you are to find "sore loser" references agains Coleman.

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            • Author by achrispage6992 (March 31, 2009 11:43 am ET)
                 

              I don't refuse to address their points. The point of this article is as follows:

              "Coleman, of course, has the right to appeal his case, just as other suspicious second-place candidates have done in the past. What seems to be unique is this case, though, is how so much of the press coverage has politely refrained from suggesting that Coleman's a sore loser for adopting his marathon litigation approach."

              "I doubt a day went by during the Florida recount when there wasn't a "sore loser" reference to Gore in the press. (In Nexis, I found nearly 900 "sore loser" press mentions in Gore articles between November and December 2000.)"

              "For some reason, Coleman has been able to mostly avoid the dreaded "sore loser" label, one that can be a career-killer for any politician. Instead, the press has largely given Coleman and his Republican supporters an open canvas on which to operate. (A Nexis search finds just a handful of "sore loser" media mentions regarding Coleman since November.)"

              Now sir, my contention all along has been that there is a valid reason for the difference in coverage. It is simple, one race was for the Presidency of the United States of America and one race is to be junior senator from Minnesota. Your contention about the overall coverage of the two is ridiculous. You are trying to compare thousands upon thousands of news stories in 2000 with hundreds in 2008. From that you are trying to draw the conclusion that the democrat is called the sore loser and not the Republican....just like Boehlert. That is my point, has been all along.  

              Not to mention that the Nexus search done by Boehlert really tells us nothing about the context of the "sore loser" mentions. They could have come primarily from op-ed pieces or quotes from Republican operatives. While he did point to some instances of hard news mentionings of "sore loser" it is rather a stretch to indicate that the writer of the story felt that way. Either way, my contention is and will remain that by pointing to the 2000 election coverage as proof that a Democrat gets different press treatment than a Republican is disingenious in this instance because one was a presidential race and one was a senate race. If you disagree then fine, but don't try to paint me in a corner by insinuating that I refuse to address the points of those who are arguing against my initial point.   

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              • Author by Brabantio (March 31, 2009 12:18 pm ET)
                   

                "What seems to be unique is this case, though, is how so much of the press coverage has politely refrained from suggesting that Coleman's a sore loser for adopting his marathon litigation approach."

                That's referring to the press coverage that the Minnesota race has received.  Within that amount of coverage, there has been little "sore loser" talk.  This precludes any objections to the disparity in the amount of overall coverage.

                "While he did point to some instances of hard news mentionings of "sore loser" it is rather a stretch to indicate that the writer of the story felt that way."

                I don't think that's a relevant factor.  Whether people actually believe it or not, that theme was out there for Gore and not for Coleman.  And even if it was just op-eds, why aren't op-eds making this point about Coleman?

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              • Author by mikehuck1976 (March 31, 2009 12:22 pm ET)
                   

                OK, I have to reply because these straw man arguments give me a headache.  The article is CLEARLY arguing about proportion.  Where does the article ever argue that there should be 900 mentions about Coleman being a sore loser?  Your argument is moot.  His argument, in the article, is one of proportion and you have not even addressed it.

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              • Author by BillJ-MN (March 31, 2009 12:38 pm ET)
                   

                I think that you were disregarding the case we're making, and are continuing to do so.  The sections you quoted from the article support our case, not yours.  They don't come close to suggesting that there should have been any equivalence in numbers to such inflamatory phrasing.

                Our point about the overall coverage is not nonsense, it is dead on.  Coleman has been treated very respectfully and matter-of-factly in the media all throughout his court case.  He hasn't been smeared for going through the legal process the way Gore was.  It doesn't matter if there were thousands of stories in 2000 and hundreds of stories for this Senate race.  It doesn't matter that the country is less interested.  The entire point of the article was about the nature of the coverage.  Gore was savaged as a sore loser who was putting the country through torment in many well-distributed references and Coleman has simply been mostly been portrayed as reasonably exercising his legal options.

                The context of Boehlert's Nexus search is of limited importance.  As long as those mentions are thrown out with some degree of frequency it doesn't matter if they are quotes from republicans or editorials.  Of course, they mostly were.  Who would expect the body of a news article to call him a sore loser?  The repetition of the charge is what creates the cumulative damage, and it doesn't matter if it's from an endless barrage of quotes.  Coleman hasn't had to suffer from that because it hasn't been directed against him by the MSM.

                It's the proportion that matters in the comparison, and your denials of that fact doesn't make it less of a fact.

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                • Author by commonsenseliberal (March 31, 2009 4:45 pm ET)
                     

                  And I would submit that each day Coleman keeps this BS going, it makes him even more of a sore loser.  At least Gore had the nation's interests at heart when he stepped back in DECEMBER of 2000.

                  While this is a Senate race and not totally comparable to what happened in 2000, it's almost APRIL, people.  It's way past time for Coleman concede, sit down and STFU.

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              • Author by LuvLuLu (March 31, 2009 12:50 pm ET)
                   

                "What seems to be unique is this case, though, is how so much of the press coverage..."

                That's related to proportion.

                And you haven't addressed their points.

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              • Author by jamesB (March 31, 2009 12:53 pm ET)
                   

                achris, you have summed it up and argued your point six ways to Sunday and some here still don't get it.  you're right about the context of the sore loser mentions in 2000, all we have is Boehlert's contention on that, he includes a couple NY times' but many of them are probably from editorials or opinion pieces, I wonder how many were in hard news' pieces.  And despite the proportionate angle, Boehlert never mentions that word once in his piece, and that is the main crux of those disagreeing with you here, so they hooked onto that word to move the goalposts of this piece, which is typical Boehlert, nothing but a whiny, poor me victicrat Democrat, "sore loser" piece of his own. 

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                • Author by LuvLuLu (March 31, 2009 1:03 pm ET)
                     

                  "What seems to be unique is this case, though, is how so much of the press coverage..."

                  That's related to proportion.

                  Boehlert doesn't have to have used the work "proportion" in order for it to be clear to any observer.

                  "...how so much of the press coverage..." is talking about the percentage or the proportion of the coverage and only a fool would even try to deny that.

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                  • Author by jamesB (March 31, 2009 1:29 pm ET)
                       

                    i don't buy it, but even so it doesn't change the apples/oranges of the two situations.  just because the media doesn't use the same vernacular they did in 2000 means simply that they don't use the same vernacular.  It isn't some media conspiracy to make Coleman a more viable candidate in the future, that is ridiculous.  and only more leftwing paranoia.

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                    • Author by Appleboy (March 31, 2009 2:03 pm ET)
                         

                      Can you recall anything similar to a "sore loser" comment regarding Coleman during this contest? I live in MN and I cannot recall any such comment myself. So all "sore loser" metrics aside, can you give us your honest opinion regarding Coleman's treatment in the media -in relation to Gore's -  with respect to this senate election contest?

                      Also, I would expect that since this is only a senatorial election that the coverage be even more disrepectful to the challenger than in a presidential election. Why is it that when the stakes are even greater for our country, the media acts even more foolish than it normally does?

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                      • Author by jamesB (March 31, 2009 2:18 pm ET)
                           

                        I don't live there, so I will take your word for it.  but as I said, even when discussing this in proportion, it's still apples and oranges.  You can't take two news situations and then try and compare their news coverage eight years apart to look for a phrase. and if isn't in there, it's bias.  times change, news cycles change, priorities change, everything changes.  especially when one is the hottest news of the day for weeks, the 2000 recount vs. the MN Senate election in the midst of all that is going on now in the news.

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                        • Author by Brabantio (March 31, 2009 2:38 pm ET)
                             

                          What has changed within the nature of politics where coming off as a sore loser is no longer damaging to one's reputation and future political prospects?  Why is this possibility no longer relevant?  I don't see how the difference in circumstances carries over that far, and nobody seems able to explain it.

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                          • Author by foghornleghorn (March 31, 2009 2:45 pm ET)
                               

                            What has changed...

                            This time it involves a Democrat. 

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                            • Author by jamesB (March 31, 2009 2:52 pm ET)
                                 

                              ya right.  show me about Gore was irreparably damaged because of 2000, or from the sore loser label he was given by some.  None that I have seen, he is still revered by liberals and a rock star of Global warming.  He didn't run as far as I can see in 2004 not because of some media affixed label he got in 2000. he was actually a martyr after 2000, propped up by many as a victim of a stolen election.  only liberals who love to play victim bring it up now and try to compare today's coverage of a far different situation as a contrast.  it's ridiculous

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                              • Author by Appleboy (March 31, 2009 3:13 pm ET)
                                   

                                Gore was damaged by the media prior to the 2000 election results. The media destroyed Gore with their lies about him (invented internet, inspired Love Story, union lullaby song, Love canal, prescription doggy pills, Mathews saying Gore doesn't even look like one of us, Naomi Wolf told Gore to wear earth tones, Gore grew up in a luxury hotel in DC, etc, etc, etc, etc,etc, etc). And it wan't the morons at Fox news, it was the dopes at NBC, CBS, ABC, cable TV, NY Times, Washington Post.... We had 8 years of Bush because of the media. So even though Gore has done great things after election 2K to suggest he wasn't damaged by the media is way off the mark.

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                                • Author by jamesB (March 31, 2009 3:37 pm ET)
                                     

                                  Gore was loved by liberals and pretty much loathed by the right, that was the case before 2000, and after.  any damage done to his reputation because of some stupid label was negligible, most likely nonexistant.  as I said, many consider him some martyr because of 2000. I would hardly call that a negative effect from being labeled a sore loser.

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                                  • Author by Brabantio (March 31, 2009 3:53 pm ET)
                                       

                                    "Gore was loved by liberals and pretty much loathed by the right,..."

                                    And we all know that the country is made up of only liberals and "the right".  There's nobody in the center at all.

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                                  • Author by foghornleghorn (March 31, 2009 4:57 pm ET)
                                       

                                    Don't you remember "move on"?  It was so pervasive that a political group was formed USING THAT AS IT'S NAME.

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                                    • Author by val (March 31, 2009 8:33 pm ET)
                                         

                                      If you're talking about Moveon.org, that's a totally different situation. That was formed during the Clinton impeachment farce, the idea being to pressure Congress to just "censure Clinton and move on" instead of embarrassing this country and wasting time with a bogus impeachment trial. When that didn't work, members who signed on with Moveon were to pledge to give $250 to candidates opposing the main movers and shakers of the impeachment effort in the 1998 elections, then it morphed into supporting grass-roots progressive candidates in general, and broadened to get into issues advocacy, etc. The GOP phrase I remember hearing the most after Bush v. Gore was "Get over it." There used to be a thread on Salon's Table Talk called "Are you over it yet?" and every significant anniversary of the recount battle, posters would weigh in with, essentially, "Hell, NO!" throughout the execrable Bush years. In fact, Bush v. Gore was one of the catalysts that got a lot of Democrats and liberals turned on to blogs and other online forums for the first time as we all watched with horror the Bush years unfold and realized what a bullet we didn't dodge, thanks to the Felonious Five on the Supreme Court.

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                              • Author by Brabantio (March 31, 2009 3:14 pm ET)
                                   

                                What?  Because Gore is still popular with liberals, there was no effect of the "sore loser" labeling?

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                                • Author by foghornleghorn (March 31, 2009 4:56 pm ET)
                                     

                                  I remember the label affixed to Gore was more along the lines of "sour grapes".

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                                  • Author by jamesB (March 31, 2009 5:01 pm ET)
                                       

                                    any fallout from being labeled a sore loser, or sour grapes was far eclipsed by his stature as some scorned liberal icon who was robbed of the presidency by the courts.  he suffered not one iota from his pursuit of the White House.  if you of the others think so, show me the direct evidence.

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                                    • Author by foghornleghorn (March 31, 2009 5:11 pm ET)
                                         

                                      he suffered not one iota...

                                      Well, for starters he hasn't for office again.  He was forced to change careers.  I'd say being robbed of the presidency by the courts would qualify as some level of suffering.

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                                      • Author by jamesB (March 31, 2009 5:16 pm ET)
                                           

                                        forced?  I don't recall hearing or reading anywhere where he declined to run because he was concerned he had the sore loser label again.  It was his choice to do other things, maybe he figured he didn't want to go through it all again, he didn't change any career, he lost an election.  that is what forces people to do something else besides hold the office they sought.  I am no fan of Al Gore, but I have never once thought of him as a sore loser.  in fact, I remember him coming to the White House after Bush was elected and being very gracious.  He never whined nearly as much as his supporters, now they were the sore losers.  Still are by the content of many of their posts here.

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                                        • Author by foghornleghorn (March 31, 2009 5:40 pm ET)
                                             

                                          OK, maybe Gore didn't suffer that much.  I mean, despite contant lies from the right he's received movie awards, a Nobel Prize, and wrote a best-selling book.  But the American (and Iraqi)  people sure did alot of suffering under Bush the Lesser thanks to the Supreme Court making case law for one man.

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                                        • Author by val (March 31, 2009 9:03 pm ET)
                                             

                                          Unless you guys are very young or apolitical or very old with memory problems, you should remember how widely mocked Al Gore was not just during the presidential election and the recount but afterward, especially when he began to give speeches opposing the Iraq war and other Bush atrocities, back when Bush's approval ratings were higher than Obama's. He was characterized in the press and by the right as a madman and lefty loon (Al Gore, who was considered more conservative than Clinton back in the day). It wasn't until Bush really started losing popularity as the war situation worsened, Katrina happened and Terri Schiavo,  and the country slowly started coming back to its senses, did Gore regain any sort of respect in the media and the public at large, as opposed to just liberal Democrats. He was a figure of fun for Leno and the like for years. He wasn't even the darling of the Democratic Party establishment (especially when he endorsed Howard Dean in 2004) and as the right is so fond of telling us, the people who self-identify as liberals are not a majority. Gore is still not well-regarded in the press, only begrudgingly given attention when he's recognized by the rest of the world as in the Nobel and An Inconvenient Truth, and he is absolutely hated by the climate change deniers. It took a long time for Gore to come out of the poitical wilderness to his relative level of respect now. Even among the Democratic and liberal blogs he's often excoriated for not having run a better campaign in 2000 and for letting Bush get close enough to steal it. The press was nice to him only briefly in 2000 when he graciously stopped fighting the election battle. The media loves Democrats when they lose, if they lose graciously. Winners, eh, not so much (Bill Clinton, for example). Obama may prove the exception, but I think that's because after 8 years of Bush, the whole country is tired of the political game and maybe criticism has to be about something more substantive than bogus boasts about inventing the Internet or tawdry sexual misadventures. For a comprehensive accounting of all the dissing Gore has gotten over the years, check out Bob Somerby's Daily Howler archives. He has it documented exhaustively. Members of the media, especially, have even admitted they knew all the Gore so-called lies were lies themselves, or they found out during the campaign that they were, but that it was more fun to make fun of Gore, who they thought was basically a snotty, know-it-all smarty-pants while Bush was a fun-loving frat whom you could have a beer with. Junior high in microcosm. Our fourth estate at work. Gore's rehabilitation has been a long and painful process that mainly involved being proved right by circumstances. Don't kid yourselves.

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                • Author by pete592 (March 31, 2009 1:29 pm ET)
                     

                  I'm not hooking into proportion.  I am, however, mindful of Boehlert's premise regarding Coleman's most desperate legal move, that premise being NO coverage at all:

                  "For the three days following Coleman's jaw-dropping request, the news received no coverage in The New York Times, The Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, or USA Today."

                  "The Hail Mary received zero network television news coverage and garnered just a passing reference on cable news"

                  I think there is one important point that Boehlert misses completely.  I think Al Franken has played a role in the lack of coverage himself because he has been incredibly well poised during this ordeal.  He has been laying low while this plays out and trying not to stir up his own media circus.  He has given Fox News and the right-wing professional liars vitrually nothing to work with, which, in turn, gives the rest of the media nothing to work with, since their main political food source has nothing to offer them.

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    • Author by jwcoop715110 (March 31, 2009 10:21 am ET)
         

      Coleman is a disgrace and gops are hypocritical trash.

      Face it, Coleman was only in their because Paul Wellstone died in a plane crash just before the '02 election.

      No crash, no Coleman. This thing has gone on for the better part of six months and Coleman loses every damned time. The gops just aren't gonna be able to steal this one.

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      • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (March 31, 2009 12:08 pm ET)
           

        JW,I've said this before, HYPOCRACY, THY NAME IS REPUBLICAN.They arefollowing a scorched earth polocy.They refuse to accept  the fact that they have lost the last two elections,and that more and more people are rejecting their FAR RIGHT WING polocies and ideas. I would love to see the SENATE seat FRANKIN and tell the GOP to stick their complaints where the sun don't shine.

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    • Author by roninkannushi1711 (March 31, 2009 10:36 am ET)
         

      Any time the press reports against crybaby Republicans, it is the Liberal media. It is O.K., when media mentions a Democrat objecting to an issue and brands them.   Here, the one with the sword, faces the one with the pen.

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    • Author by tman418 (March 31, 2009 10:43 am ET)
         

      There is far too much is at stake here for the Republicans (and Coleman). One extra vote for the Dems in the Senate is a HUGE deal considering how close they are to a filibuster-proof majority. If Coleman DOESN'T behave like a sore loser and take this all the way to the Supreme Court (assuming that he files an appeal after the judge's upcoming ruling and then loses after that), I will give up my Xbox 360 for a whole school semester.

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    • Author by mk3872 (March 31, 2009 10:44 am ET)
         

      Same ol, same ol. Until the Dems wise-up and learn how to PLAY the DC media, stories like this will wither away.

      The MSM are like cats following a flashlight in the dark. The GOP knows this and wins the headlines by shouting outrageous things into a microphone.

      If you want this story to make it through the noise, have Harry Reid say this:

      "The Republican Party is risking another U.S. terrorist strike and will steal your babies by denying Al Franken his constitutional right to his Senate seat from MN!!!"

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    • Author by shaggles (March 31, 2009 11:03 am ET)
         

      "For instance, earlier this month, Coleman's lawyers, after suffering a number of courtroom setbacks, wrote to the three-judge panel asking it to take the extraordinary step of setting aside the November vote and basically having the state, four months after the fact, revote. Claiming it would be impossible for the judges to pick a winner, Coleman's legal team suddenly wanted to start from scratch."

      This is exactly what Dino Rossi tried to do when he lost the recount for WA governor in 2000 and I don't really remember a lot of sore loser talk in the press at that time either.

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    • Author by Caseysprings (March 31, 2009 11:09 am ET)
         

      I think they should just compromise, have 2 senators for one Seat.  Both can be part time, they can alternate between Minn and DC. I know its unconstitutional but there is always hope for non partisan teamwork.

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      • Author by mary59 (March 31, 2009 11:26 am ET)
           

        Then Coleman would have time to concentrate on the corruption charges he's facing, including an FBI investigation.  And Franken could actually do the senator part.

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      • Author by BillJ-MN (March 31, 2009 12:16 pm ET)
           

        That idea has been thrown out around MN a few times.  I usually see the new Senator referred to as Normal Frankman.

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        • Author by Caseysprings (March 31, 2009 2:49 pm ET)
             

          In all seriousness Coleman should do the right thing and resign.

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          • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (March 31, 2009 3:53 pm ET)
               

            In all seriousness Coleman should do the right thing and resign.

            Technically, there is nothing to resign from. The Senate seat became unoccupied on the Senate Inauguration day. What Coleman should do is step away from his increasingly ludicrous legal claims.

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            • Author by Caseysprings (March 31, 2009 5:23 pm ET)
                 

              Correct, I meant resign from his process of lawsuits and other legal garbage. 

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            • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (April 01, 2009 4:59 pm ET)
                 

              asking a REPUBLICAN to do the right thing? You have got to be kidding.

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    • Author by Traveller987 (March 31, 2009 11:29 am ET)
         

      Why don't Minnesotans sue to enforce their constitutional right to have 2 Senators?  I don't know all the caselaw on this one, but it seems like a no-brainer if Republicans pursue a "resolution" in a federal court.

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      • Author by BillJ-MN (March 31, 2009 12:15 pm ET)
           

        Franken did in an appeal to the MN Supreme Court.  He tried to make the case that the Constitutional requirement that each state have two Senators was in conflict with MN law requiring that the legal process be completed.  They turned him down, though they did state that the Senate has a right to seat him without the MN state certificate of election.

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        • Author by thejbomb65 (April 01, 2009 12:35 pm ET)
             

          only once appeals within the state court has been completed. coleman could take it to federal court and franken could still be seated

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    • Author by mercado (March 31, 2009 12:50 pm ET)
         

      Coleman should be made to sit in a room, until the Court reaches a descision, by having to watch and listen to George Galloway MP hand him his arse in May of '05!

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    • Author by bruce1ace (March 31, 2009 4:13 pm ET)
         

      I disagree withy Boehlerts comment that Coleman is a sore loser when all he has done so far is exercise his legal rights.  Clearly, there are avenues he could take if he loses this case that would make the sore loser charge more applicable. 

      Either Candidate was going to challenge the recount pending the result as there were unresolved differences that were not addressed during the recount.

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      • Author by BillJ-MN (March 31, 2009 4:20 pm ET)
           

        The point of the column isn't whether or not Coleman is a sore loser.  I don't think Boehlert ever made that charge.  The point is how extremely different the media treatment is of the two situations.

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        • Author by bruce1ace (March 31, 2009 4:37 pm ET)
             

          What about the headline?  Perhaps the hack that wrote that should change it if that wasn't Boehlerts point.  The headline states it plain and simple.

          I agree that the press has treated the two cases differently and they have gotten it right this time in my view.

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          • Author by BillJ-MN (March 31, 2009 4:48 pm ET)
               

            You're right, the headline does make that charge.  I guess I didn't pay much attention to it after it first went up this morning.  The body of the article doesn't support the charge.

            I agree that the way it's being handled is the better route, but I can't help but think it would be different if it were Franken taking it through the courts.  What I believe would be different is that there are republicans who would be making the "sore loser" charge very loudly which the media would cover.  It's simply not something I see most Democrats doing.  I suppose I could be accused of being biased or harboring a persecution complex, but I think my "what if" is supported by history.

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    • Author by BillJ-MN (March 31, 2009 7:39 pm ET)
         

      NEW DEVELOPMENT IN THE ELECTION TONIGHT

      The judges tonight called for approximately 400 of the rejected absentee ballots to be brought to the court for final review and will be opened and counted if it's found that they were improperly rejected.  This is far fewer than Coleman wanted included and makes it almost impossible for Coleman to assume a lead.

      Coleman all but concedes, but will appeal court ruling

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    • Author by truthseeker77 (March 31, 2009 8:49 pm ET)
         

      Tremendous double standard. The media hate Democrats and Al Gore specially.

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    • Author by Jeany (April 01, 2009 2:01 am ET)
         

      The Republicans are making themselves another hair shirt. Of course, they have no sense, so they can't feel the itch, or notice the smell of the pustules or the way people turn away from them.

      Pass the popcorn.

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    • Author by llph9993736 (April 01, 2009 12:57 pm ET)
         

      Of course Franken may win, the fix is in! 

      It is unprecidented that the initial vote count was overturned by such a swing in recount votes. 

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    • Author by Dem02020 (April 02, 2009 10:14 am ET)
         

      Former U.S. Senator Norm Coleman has every right to challenge the 2008 election results in Minnesota's Courts, and he has every right to pursue that challenge all the way up to Minnesota's Supreme Court.

      If there's a problem in Minnesota in this matter, it involves the time that Minnesota's Courts take (or allow) for the process to reach it's completion. It seems the three Judge panel took an awful long time to hear both sides in this Case, but then I guess that's not their fault, as that's not so much taking time, as allowing it (to the Plaintiff or Defendant or however you'd characterize the parties in the Case).

      Now that the State Supreme Court will hear the Petition, they should expedite the matter as swiftly as possible, and put it not only at the top of their Calendar, but also not allow excessive time to either parties to present their case (and that's perfectly within their power to limit the arguments made before them, which are essentially arguments already made, in a lower Court. And they have that kind of power, because no one has a right to be heard in that Supreme Court, but only a right to Petition it: as the Court may and routinely does, refuse to hear arguments before it).

      And the moment the Minnesota Supreme Court finishes hearing the Case (and they certainly will hear it), and the moment they decide that Mr. Franken is the winner of the election, then that's the moment the MN Secretary of State Certifies the election, and it's all over, and Mr. Franken goes to Washington...

      Done.

      There is no Federal Jurisdiction here, and no right whatsoever for the U.S. District Court in Minnesota's District, or for the Federal Judge in that Court, to get involved...

      It's Minnesota's election, and their's alone: the U.S. Senator from Minnesota, is their Senator, and no one else's: and therefore no one but the People of Minnesota, or their agents (their State Supreme Court included) is involved here, or has any right in this matter to decide who their Senator is.

      If Florida 2000 tought us nothing else, it taught us that Republicans will fraudulently claim and seek, a Federal Judicial interference, in what is entirely a State matter, when that matter has gone (or seems it will go) against them.

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      • Author by RickCoMatic (April 03, 2009 3:05 am ET)
           

        I don't understand why the Mainstream Media is soft-pedaling the Franken v. Coleman Case.  You'd think there'd be at lest one Reporter looking for a continuing story that passes the Human Interest test with flying colors.

        The Election Contest was full of interesting little stories. More than few Headlines and when Election Judge Howell got nabbed with incriminating evidence; a Front Page Story about a corrupt politician trying to fix a Court decision to go his way and getting caught in the act.

        This Election Contest Case the Premier Coleman Legal Team brought to the Court was several bricks shy of a load.  In fact, Coleman's Big-Gun's did a fine job of demonstrating how dedicated and thorough the Minnesota Election Officials really are.

        But, when Team-Coleman began the parade of handpicked witnesses brought-in to testify; their witnesses had spent more time counting their money than rehearsing the script.  Franken's lawyers asked a few questions about how they managed to become witnesses for Coleman, and they all said it was the same Little-Birdie that came to them with the idea to contact Coleman.

        Coleman's Star witness, a woman Elections Judge who was to testify to Absentee Ballot double counting, actually forgot much of her story.  So, during a brief recess, she stayed on the stand and rehearsed it with Coleman's Team, right in front of the Franken Team. Because, after the break, Franken's men asked her about what she and Coleman’s lawyer were talking about.  The feces hit the fan; and the Judges all wrote-down a little note to self.  Her testimony was stricken and the Coleman Team ruined.

        Just when you think it can't possibly get any worse than that; she's ordered to bring-in all communications she had with Coleman.  So, she brings-in all the incriminating emails!  What a Circus Side-show this woman’s testimony turned-out to be.  Her obstruction and collusion-proving emails were admitted as evidence.

        Imagine!  She's the Coleman Star Witness and brings-in email showing she's on board with Team Coleman and not letting the Franken team know about a few things, will do as she's told, and what to say and not to say.  Team Coleman’s case started swirling around the bowl.

        On any episode of Law & Order, when what this woman did got-out; the Judge tells the Bailiff to remove her from the stand and into custody for Contempt of Court, admission to Perpetrating a Fraud and Committing Perjury.  Team Coleman actually begged to let her continue.  The glass slippers they bought would only fit her.  Not one other Election Judge could be found to sing the “Votes got double-counted” song Coleman’s play needed the audience to hear. 

        This Court let her slide and let her continue testifying.  And, those Judges scribbled copious notes, while listening to her testify, with sentences so measured and stiff it was as if all she said had been sent-out for starching at some old-world Chinese Laundry. 
        I'd have much rather seen them lock-up a few of the chorus line fibbers.  Because, while Laws were getting trampled upon in Court; new legislation was being made by the minute in the Senate, with one Minnesota Senate Seat -- Vacant!!  Still rough around the edges; Coleman was following the GOP’s new tactic for keeping the Senate Republican controlled.  Keep Al Franken in Court!  And, so they did.  Everything!  Including a ridiculous Motion asking The Court to reverse a Ruling they’d made a few days earlier.

        That’s when everybody who was writing something about watching a sore head losing his case in Court, began to realize that nothing they were writing down meant anything, regarding the ad hoc maneuvering of the Coleman Legal Teams prevarications.  The Mission was NOT about winning their Case.  The Mission was about keeping one Minnesota Senate seat vacant and Democrat-free while Landmark Legislation was being crafted.  Motion after Motion, with meaningless or redundant banter between Lawyer and witness the Coleman Case labored.  The Judges caught-on and made them bring an end to the stalling.  Yet, the “Keep-it-Vacant” clock still ticks as pages fall from the calendar with Franken's no closer to being seated than he was on Trial Day One.

        Coleman's Lawyers know they can't bring this to the Supreme Court.  The Supreme Court clearly stated to all in the 'Bush v Gore' Ruling to NOT cite Bush v Gore and expect them to hear the case.  Loathe to make broad precedents, the per curium opinion limited its holding to the one and only case.

        Now, the correct story is about a Politician who used GOP slush-fund money and deliberately prolonged a Bad Faith Court fight, motivated by hate, for a lost Senate Chair, with every Curve-ball, Knuckle-ball, Spit-ball, Kitchen sink and plain made-up on-the-fly Motion’s to keep that Senate seat vacant, day upon day is known.  Because the Republican Senatorial Committee was BETTER-OFF having it be nobody's than to have Coleman give-up keeping Franken out and having another Democratic voice and vote against them.

        Coleman has absolutely nothing left.  He brings whatever the final result of the counting of some more possibly validly cast Ballots will bring.

        He needs every single one of the first 230 Ballots opened and counted to be for him, just to close the gap.

        Some say Norm Coleman is the only soul looking for a miracle. No.  He’s the only one!

        Norm sold his soul thinking that there was going to be some way this would work-out and get him back in that Senate Seat where he thinks we want him to be.  No. Wrong.  That’s not what we want at all.  We want you to concede and get out of the way of the man who won the Election.  The person we wanted sent after all them votes got recounted.  Not you, Norm! 

        We want Al Franken.

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    • Author by jaytingle (April 02, 2009 5:01 pm ET)
         

      Eric-

      I just heard you on Michelangelo Signorile's show and I wish to add a point.  The hopelessness of Coleman's cause is demonstrated by legal precedent.  Anderson v. Rolvaag (1963) established the recount process we've been witnessing (though in the absence of reporting) and has been tested by the MN Supreme Court.  It is impossible, based on precedent, for Coleman to get his case heard at the federal level.  O'Reilly or Limbaugh will probably cover this angle any day now.

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