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Howard Kurtz's continuing dishonesty about MSNBC

October 13, 2009 11:15 am ET by Jamison Foser

Here's Howard Kurtz today:

If you look at MSNBC's lineup after 6 p.m., Fox isn't the only network that goes heavy on the opinionated hosts.

That's a reference to Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow, and Ed Schultz, all of whom Kurtz considers to be liberals.  They combine to host three hours of television every evening.

What Kurtz didn't mention -- what he never mentions -- is that if you look at MSNBC's lineup before 6 pm, you'll find an opinionated host there, too.  Former Republican congressman Joe Scarborough.  Guess how many hours a day he hosts?  Yep: Three.

Kurtz does this all the time: He portrays MSNBC as a liberal cable channel by, among other things, pretending Joe Scarborough doesn't exist.  It would be one thing for Kurtz to acknowledge Scarborough's existence while arguing that he thinks on balance the channel leans left.  But that isn't what he does.  Instead, he dishonestly ignores Scarborough entirely.  There's absolutely no reason to only look at MSNBC's lineup "after 6 p.m.," other than to exclude Scarborough -- and Kurtz knows this.

Take another look at Kurtz' wording today:

If you look at MSNBC's lineup after 6 p.m., Fox isn't the only network that goes heavy on the opinionated hosts.

There is absolutely no justification for limiting the discussion to "after 6 pm."  It does nothing to further Kurtz's ostensible point that Fox isn't the only network that has "opinionated hosts."  It does nothing to further the reader's understanding of the situation.  All it does is obscure the fact that MSNBC has an opinionated host who is a conservative.  It's deeply, wildly dishonest.

Oh, and by the way: CNN has an opinionated host, too: right-wing nut Lou Dobbs. Kurtz didn't mention Dobbs, perhaps because he moonlights for Dobbs' employer.

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    • Author by political_left-religious_right (October 13, 2009 11:30 am ET)
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      And don't forget that, though he doesn't have his own show, MSNBC is the network that most often gives a microphone to Pat Buchanan. That's worth several Scarboroughs.
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    • Author by DellDolly (October 13, 2009 11:35 am ET)
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      But, but, but, Lou Dobbs says that he's an independent, so that means he's an independent, right, and not a rightwing looney?

      And despite the fact that after 6 PM, there is a similarity between FoxNews and MSNBC, they are still not equivalent. How often does Hannity run with a falsehood, even after having been corrected. How often does Bill O'Reilly claim to be an independent moderate but then spout rightwing talking points with ease? How often does Glenn Beck, et al, promote and engineer the Tea Parties?

      And how often do we see similar behavior coming from MSNBC's crew? Not nearly as often. They don't make the same factual errors on MSNBC, and they don't make near so many. They don't claim to have the moral high ground because they're independent or moderate and then disprove it with their next breath. They don't promote Democratic propaganda events.
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    • Author by chaspp8948 (October 13, 2009 11:37 am ET)
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      And, of course, if you limit the sample to "after 6 p.m.,' then Fox doesn't have to count Glenn Beck, who is on at five.
      Dumbass, Howie.
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    • Author by all your eyes (October 13, 2009 11:48 am ET)
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      It is also worth noting the distinct difference in tone and content of the MSNBC prime-time shows compared to Fox. Most of the discussion on Olberman and Maddow's programs is based in fact. They provide analysis from a liberal perspective, but nothing approaching the relentlessly vicious, intellectually dishonest, even fictional attacks launched day after day and night after night on Fox News' opinion programming.
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    • Author by lookoutoftheyard2251 (October 13, 2009 11:51 am ET)
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      He's probably including Chris Matthews in the line-up, as well. Which is only fair, because as everybody knows, Chris Matthews is a sheer bastion of liberalism, from the way he cheerleaded the Iraq War, to the way he gave credence to the death panels meme during the summer.
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      • Author by DellDolly (October 13, 2009 12:00 pm ET)
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        Well, yeah, of course. Matthews worked for a Democrat at one point in time, so he must be a lefty now, right? Just like Dick Morris should have credibility with the left since he worked for Bill Clinton, right?

        I do have to say that Chris Matthews seems better now; he seems to be waking up.
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    • Author by JoshSN (October 13, 2009 12:02 pm ET)
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      Lou Dobbs is not right wing, he's xenophobic. His track record on protecting

      Similar to, but not precisely like, the Democrats who voted in Senator Moynihan over and over, Buick-driving, cigar-chomping, union racists.

      Here is Lou Dobbs saying nicer, stronger things about labor unions than you can get out of most any news source.
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      • Author by JoshSN (October 13, 2009 12:02 pm ET)
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        that should have been "protecting unions is very consistent."
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        • Author by congero6189599 (October 13, 2009 1:37 pm ET)
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          You've been debunked:

          http://www.seiu.org/mt/mt-search.cgi?IncludeBlogs=1&tag=cnn's%20lou%20dobbs%20and%20FAIR&limit=20

          need more:

          http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/lou-dobbs-attacks-seiu-and-acorn
          and:

          Lou Dobbs uses Wingnut Front group to attack SEIU and Obama

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qUzPqmoA2I
          and:

          Right to Work on CNN: Lou Dobbs Reports on the Latest SEIU "Corporate Campaign"
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJEjLkwXXfc

          You know JoshSN you really should use your computer to do just a little research before you spout such gibberish. Lou Dobbs as I have shown is no leftie and it's quite obvious that the loony one is YOU.
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      • Author by John Paradox (October 13, 2009 12:13 pm ET)
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        Lou Dobbs is not right wing, he's xenophobic.

        Not only in our world, but in parallel worlds where 'funny animals' are the dominant species (plural):
        [http://www.kevinandkell.com/2009/strips/kk20091013.gif]
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        • Author by JoshSN (October 13, 2009 12:39 pm ET)
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          Sorry, is there a single pro-union right-winger?

          The answer, of course, was George Voinovich.

          But, other than that?

          Lou Dobbs has been a xenophobic left-winger for decades, it is just that in the last 5 years or so the anti-immigration movement has provided him with a lot more ammunition so he gets caught up in the Amero-style conspiracy theories.

          He's a loony, but he's a lefty loony.
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          • Author by magnolialover (October 13, 2009 12:44 pm ET)
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            Lou is far from being a lefty. Not even close. Just because he might support a union doesn't make him a lefty. Look at his rhetoric, and his recent declaration to oppose anything Obama does.

            Sure sounds like a "lefty" to me.
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          • Author by congero6189599 (October 13, 2009 12:55 pm ET)
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            Yea and fascism springs from the "left" also. That is the most muddled thinking I've ever heard. Sounds like something glenn beck would say. But I'am curious could you provide some information from the mouth of LD that shows he leans left?
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          • Author by political_left-religious_right (October 13, 2009 1:10 pm ET)
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            [Dobbs is] a loony, but he's a lefty loony.

            Who also happens to demonize leftists. Are you as crazy as that last statement of yours, or was it an aberration?
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          • Author by congero6189599 (October 13, 2009 1:17 pm ET)
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            OK I saw your allegation that LD is a loony lefty and the article you highlighted, and I still conclude LD is no lefty and your thinking is muddled. Unions want the EFCA, here is your pro-union loony leftie LD supporting unions:

            "...At the conclusion of a report by CNN correspondent Bill Tucker about the Service Employees International Union's mobilization in support of the legislation, Dobbs said, "The American people voted for lots of things, but I don't know a lot of people voted to end a secret ballot."

            "In the CNN report, SEIU president Andy Stern explained this point clearly: "This is the worker's choice. They can have a secret ballot or legally affirm by a majority of them signing cards." Either Dobbs was not listening to his own broadcast, or he thinks labor leaders like Stern aren't telling the truth. Either way, we know whose side he's on--he referred to the pending legislation as the "so-called Employee Free Choice Act," and deemed labor's lobbying on the bill a "bold threat."
            http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3716



            Watch the clip from the site I posted . Oops kinda destroys your argument doesn't it. Lou Dobbs is no leftie!

            Everyone should go to this site and see the clip of the Lou Dobbs broadcast JoshSN doesn't know what he is talking about.


            http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3716
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          • Author by loonz (October 13, 2009 2:36 pm ET)
               
            Yeah, he's a loony lefty in the clever disguise of a loony righty.
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    • Author by Boxer1979 (October 13, 2009 12:02 pm ET)
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      Hey Fox Snooze has Greta and she was a liberal or is she still because she follows the same route as the other loonies? They have Alan Colmes who is liberal, but they took him off the show and left Hannity to run wild with his loony thoughts. They also have guest hosts on their show who are leftist in their terms, but they get overshadowed by the ignorance of the hosts of the shows! Why not mention that Howard?
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      • Author by lookoutoftheyard2251 (October 13, 2009 12:08 pm ET)
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        He's too busy working on how to make his false equivalence work to bother to mention that stuff.
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    • Author by ProphetFella (October 13, 2009 5:06 pm ET)
         
      Sorry, Joe's a RINO and defacto liberal on about every issue other than SOME fiscal issues. He's got nothing conservative to hang his hat on with regard to his policies and morality!
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